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jackeroni@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 5 days ago

Lemmy libs: "But stalin baddd mkayyy"

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jackeroni@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 5 days ago
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  • TankieTanuki [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    I made this in 2019 doggirl-happy

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      Thank you for your service

    • Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml
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      Your memes are the backbone of the online communist community at this point.

      • TankieTanuki [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        The ones I shared on r/ChapoTrapHouse in 2019, like this and the space race one, are by far the most proliferated. The reach of that sub explains why the feds had to shut it down.

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          Imagine a bunch of shitposters scaring the shit out of the feds. This year they have already nuked 3 more communist subreddits.

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      I saw it reposted all over. Thank you for your service 🫡

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      Thank you for your service comrade

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    I suspect for some folks Stalin is bad because anyone else would have let the USSR capitulate to the wehrmacht invasion.

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      You joke but there is legit someone calling themselves anarchist who said that the 27 million soviets the nazis killed deserved it because of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact

      • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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        They’re a power mod on their instance too

      • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
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        Regardless I don’t think they’re lamenting Germany’s defeat.

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    This meme is old. Now it’s 25%

    • jackeroni@lemmy.mlOP
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      PROGRESS

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    Inb4 “tWo ThInGs CaN bE bad At OnCe” from someone comparing something real the empire is doing with a story that same empire told them about someone else.

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    • mathemachristian[he]@lemmy.ml
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      stops at berlin
      “I think they learned their lesson…”

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        Fair

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    deleted by creator

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    As a Hungarian, No thanks, we don’t want russian soldiers again in our country. Can’t we agree on socialism without involving Russia?

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      If Russia became socialist again, genuinely what remains to be the problem?

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        it would defend itself if hungary decided to invade it again, and that’s just mean

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        The other traits and our autonomy.

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          What “other traits?” If you’re not going to clarify, it just sounds like racism.

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            Mostly dictatorship. I have no problems with russian people.

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              The RSFSR wasn’t a dictatorship, though, and there’s no reason to think they would be if Russia returned to socialism. Your comment just reads that Russians have a natural, inherent tendency towards dictatorships outside of connection to the mode of production they are in, which is why it sounds racist.

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          our autonomy to gleefully assist in the holocaust? their strange trait of making us stop gleefully assisting in the holocaust? you’re gonna have to be less cryptic here.

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            I was talking about a hypothetical scenario in which Russia became socialist again. I could use our autonomy for useful things.

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              oh sure, we could, but does it look like we’re going to any day soon?

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      we only got russians in our country the last time because we decided to be disgusting genocidal fascists and the soviets attempted to reeducate us. alas, it didnt stick.

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      Okay, but how does this relate to the meme about prison population?

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        It’s the post description

    • Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      Preventing Hungary from participating in colonialism, including by invading Iraq and Afghanistan, is not some sort of oppression that you try to imply it to be.

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    Removed by mod

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    Ah so everything was chill in the USSR then? Stalin didn’t have any secret police or totalitarian access to power?

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      No, he was a competent leader. Why on earth wouldn’t he have counterintelligence operations against the CIA and others? Do you remember what they did to their own citizens during the war “just in case we need to do it to the Soviets and not just black people 😉”. Are you advocating defenselessness against the torture regime of the USA?

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      Who said that

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      Well you see, I watched half of the yellow lecture and now good thing bad and bad thing good! Its Dialectical Materialism!

      Neo-Stalinism is a meme ideology that produces radical liberal bureaucrats, not revolutionaries.

      But principled MLs and Maoists are much better at decolonial struggles and centralization than most of the left. And they tend to be much better educated on history and theory than the based Stalinists, and certainly most ambient liberals.

      The trick is to learn to tell the difference between aspirational leftists and real ones. The real movement, you can disagree but you have to prove yourself in action because in political struggle the stakes are real. And to be effective we have to work together in evaluating and acting on what is objectively real. But in the real movement, people come from all different backgrounds, and live in all different environments that affects the way they look at social problems.

      The people you’re arguing with don’t understand that the most loyal supporters that Stalin enabled in those early days after the revolution, were later executed/purged on trumped (heh) up charges of anarchism and Trotskyism. They have memorized a few apologetics for why its good actually, or never really happened. Its because they want to be actual practical organizers, but they’re still idealists who think repeating certain phrases legitimizes them. The older ML and Maoist organizers know this too, and try to educate where they can but any movement can become sectarian and self referential.

      Don’t take the bait, the history is deeply contradictory no one really understands how easily it breaks people’s brains. Its better not to worry and focus on doing something real

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    ITT: trash takes

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      ITT: Nazi Libs from the ShitJustFash instance

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    I mean this doesn’t prove Stalin not bad.

    Are these stats including dead people or just prisoners? I feel like Stalin may have been fielding a murder-forward build.

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      Source: The black book of gommunism

      Checkmate

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    “USA bad so Soviets good” is also propaganda.

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      Propaganda just means pushing a particular viewpoint, said viewpoint can be correct. Secondly, the point isn’t that the soviets were good because the US is bad, but that the soviets are judged unfairly and harshly compared to their peers, a product of the Red Scare.

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      Just because it’s propaganda doesn’t mean it’s not true

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        you just blew somebody’s mind right there

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          The last time I said that and posted a dictionary entry definition, the user without an original thought claimed that’s not the way the average person uses the word and I’m wrong. 🤷‍♀️

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            Should have told the to pop a gander at deez nuts

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        Holodomor?

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          Yeah what?

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            • ∞🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/it/its/its/itself, she/her/her/hers/herself, fae/faer/faer/faers/faerself, love/love/loves/loves/loveself, des/pair, null/void, none/use name]@lemmy.ml
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              Isn’t it interesting how this version of him has many medals, yet he is usually only pictured sporting one medal: Hero of the Soviet Union

              From Teheran to Potsdam to Berlin

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                Yeah, although it’s not Hero of the Soviet Union medal, he recieved that one only after WW2 victory (and exactly for leading USSR during war). The one he always wore before, including on the photos you linked is Hero of Socialist Labour medal, easily distinguishable up close by slimmer star and hammer and sickle in the middle, but looking pretty similar from afar.

                • ∞🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/it/its/its/itself, she/her/her/hers/herself, fae/faer/faer/faers/faerself, love/love/loves/loves/loveself, des/pair, null/void, none/use name]@lemmy.ml
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                  Ah, that’s right. Very hard to tell, but in one of the photos of him it does seem to have a hammer and sickle on it.

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            This is fake. I read he used a giant spoon. Stop spreading pRoPaGaNdA.

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          Joseph Gobbles lives on

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          Nobody denies that there was a famine in the 1930s, what leftists deny is the idea that it was intentional. The myth that the 1930s famine was intentional is largely disregarded by modern soviet historians.

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            You’re lying. I have the evidence right here.

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            You know what famine was actually man-made though? The Bengal Famine.

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          A famine that happened in an area that had periodic famines for the entirety of recorded history until the communists took over, no more famines since then lol, get new material loser

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            Couldn’t find any info on periodic famines at that area. Do you mind sharing any clue, like name, specific area, years? Genuinely interested.

            On communist part. Ukraine SSR was established in 22, Holodomor started in 32. Famine in Tatarstan started in 21, year after Tatar ASSR established. So something not adding up. Even if one ignores those. There were no famines after USSR collapse in both areas. Feel free to point one if I’m missing something.

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              If you couldn’t find any info it’s because you’re not trying, and lol @ “plz give me sources” followed immediately by specific claims with no sources

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                IDK how you know did I try or not. Sorry I didn’t spent whole day searching of info you claim to be true when it took me 5 mins to debunk your other claims. If you have some rare knowledge or you are some sort of history expert you are doing poor job spreading what you think is truth.

                You need a source for what dates of establishment of Ukraine SSR or ASSR? Or Tatarstan femine, that is first hit in search - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1921–1922_famine_in_Tatarstan. You are so protective of communists so I assumed you knew some basic dates on topic. If you don’t, that’s also first hit in search. Let me know if you need help with that.

                Also, adding “lol” doesn’t make it stronger argument, lol.

                • ∞🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/it/its/its/itself, she/her/her/hers/herself, fae/faer/faer/faers/faerself, love/love/loves/loves/loveself, des/pair, null/void, none/use name]@lemmy.ml
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                  Step 1: Search “Famines in Russia”
                  Step 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughts_and_famines_in_Russia_and_the_Soviet_Union

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                  Wow hey look at that literally all it took was typing the exact words into the website you were already on, like I said you weren’t trying

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      Google the etymology of the word ‘propaganda’.

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      USA bad, tankies gonna tank. Idk what their point even is, just edgy internet bullshit.

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