AWS aggressively pursues high priced and years-long spending commitments with large customers, and they incentivize it with huge discounts for doing so.
And when AWS does this they intentionally incentivize these large customers to migrate existing workloads away from other cloud service providers as well, going so far as to offer assistance in doing so.
Way above my pay grade! I would never suggest or support making such agreements, but I also don’t want to be in a position where I’d even be asked, so I’d just sit back with a bowl of popcorn
@Alaknar@jali67 It is absolutely not cheaper. Monopolists have a tendency to raise prices once they corner the market. I took over maintenance of a journalism site and cut hosting costs roughly in half while increasing performance by switching from AWS to DigitalOcean.
But let me rephrase: cloud can be significantly cheaper - if you know what you’re doing and what you’re putting on the cloud.
I’ve been to data centres that cost as much as a decade of cloud hosting the service they were supporting (and that’s without operational costs).
Cloud is especially great for small businesses where you have two alternative options: either build your own data centre which you absolutely cannot afford (or risk making it barely operational and unreliable) or host your company at someone else’s DC - which is what cloud is, but worse (because nobody can set up so much resiliency and have so many DC techs/admins as Microsoft or Amazon).
There absolutely are situations where self-hosting is preferable, and even cheaper, but wondering “why do we place so much reliance” on cloud service providers just shows that people have no clue what cloud actually offers.
I think co-ops are the way to go, but I can understand that someone “just” wanting to purchase the good/service might not see the difference between a co-op and corporation like Amazon.
I don’t think it’s a size issue really, but co-ops generally stay smaller in part due to how they are internally organized compared to a “median” corporation.
I also think that the government actually does a pretty good job at managing things; it’s just their failures are public. Private boondoggles might drive many people into bankruptcy, but they aren’t publicized any more than absolutely necessary.
Do you literally hear yourself? You think large corporate and oligarchs run insurance, tech, etc., is a better route than a public option? 💀 Jeff Bezos, Musk, Thiel, and Ellison for everything?
Oil companies are private. Wars are started for oil.
Also government distrust and heavy focus on its inefficiencies is a tried and true right wing/authoritarian tactic. The public gobble it up because they dont take 6 seconds to actually think.
Government’s also shouldn’t be incentivised to always go with the cheapest option during procurements and tenders. Price is not the only factor in a value calculation and it is insane that we just ignore that fact.
Why do we place so much reliance on one mega company? This level of importance. It should be seized by the government.
It should be seized by the
governmentpeople and mercilessly decentralized.Agree
Agreed same for Facebook then call it Readabook
AWS aggressively pursues high priced and years-long spending commitments with large customers, and they incentivize it with huge discounts for doing so.
And when AWS does this they intentionally incentivize these large customers to migrate existing workloads away from other cloud service providers as well, going so far as to offer assistance in doing so.
And when they hit their end inevitable enshittification, what then?
At that point you’re completely invested in their ecosystem and it’ll cost you triple to get out.
That’s next quarter, after I’ve got my bonus for all these savings.
IbM has entered the chat
Way above my pay grade! I would never suggest or support making such agreements, but I also don’t want to be in a position where I’d even be asked, so I’d just sit back with a bowl of popcorn
Because it’s cheaper and (in broad terms) more reliable than everybody having a data centre.
Oh yeah, what could possibly go wrong if the US government owned Amazon!
@Alaknar @jali67 It is absolutely not cheaper. Monopolists have a tendency to raise prices once they corner the market. I took over maintenance of a journalism site and cut hosting costs roughly in half while increasing performance by switching from AWS to DigitalOcean.
So, you changed one cloud provider to another…
But let me rephrase: cloud can be significantly cheaper - if you know what you’re doing and what you’re putting on the cloud.
I’ve been to data centres that cost as much as a decade of cloud hosting the service they were supporting (and that’s without operational costs).
Cloud is especially great for small businesses where you have two alternative options: either build your own data centre which you absolutely cannot afford (or risk making it barely operational and unreliable) or host your company at someone else’s DC - which is what cloud is, but worse (because nobody can set up so much resiliency and have so many DC techs/admins as Microsoft or Amazon).
There absolutely are situations where self-hosting is preferable, and even cheaper, but wondering “why do we place so much reliance” on cloud service providers just shows that people have no clue what cloud actually offers.
Best alternatives is making Amazon something owned by the people and not any corporation/government but who knows if that would ever happen
Leta give it to Trump and Elon Musk, they will take good care of it… Lol.
Trump will isolate aws to America only, claiming other countries are ripping him off.
Aws becomes American Web Services.
Put tariffs on everybody who doesn’t host US data on their own cloud services.
Yeah. :) 100% tariffs on data transfers out of American Web Services…
Do you really want someone like the magahats having control over something like that?
God no, not the government!
They couldn’t organise a paper bag party
Large corporations and oligarchs are better? I’ll take the government. At least we can vote on them.
I think co-ops are the way to go, but I can understand that someone “just” wanting to purchase the good/service might not see the difference between a co-op and corporation like Amazon.
I don’t think it’s a size issue really, but co-ops generally stay smaller in part due to how they are internally organized compared to a “median” corporation.
I also think that the government actually does a pretty good job at managing things; it’s just their failures are public. Private boondoggles might drive many people into bankruptcy, but they aren’t publicized any more than absolutely necessary.
We could really use an Open Source app that partners with and displays all kinds of websites/stores to buy stuff and pay from the app
Oh, don’t worry, open source (or, worse, Free Software) apps won’t be allowed on Android or Apple devices, soon. /s
It would be a more meaningful discussion if the government wasn’t controlled so much by large corporations and oligarchs.
Government is also the entity that will be prosecuting/persecuting you when they don’t like what you have to say.
Sorry but this is a ridiculous argument. What entity has dropped nukes on an entire population? Who is the current president of the US? Insane take.
An idiot bought by corporations.
Do you literally hear yourself? You think large corporate and oligarchs run insurance, tech, etc., is a better route than a public option? 💀 Jeff Bezos, Musk, Thiel, and Ellison for everything?
Oil companies are private. Wars are started for oil.
Also government distrust and heavy focus on its inefficiencies is a tried and true right wing/authoritarian tactic. The public gobble it up because they dont take 6 seconds to actually think.
This is literally just a US skill issue, and just so you’re aware, folks in the rest of the world do exist on the internet.
What are you actually arguing with the president thing? I literally don’t understand how that’s supposed to support your point.
When was the last time you heard about a large government computer outage? (I don’t count the VA because that’s broken on purpose.)
Launch of ACA markets? But that seemed more like the company paid to make it under sized it or just did shit code.
Which goes back to somethings shouldn’t be done for profit
Government’s also shouldn’t be incentivised to always go with the cheapest option during procurements and tenders. Price is not the only factor in a value calculation and it is insane that we just ignore that fact.
CrowdStrike, but that hit private companies too.