Feel like if it was another country they’d be sanctions or something already.
The rest of the world has done various responses to the American trade war. Most everybody else has found other partners to do business with and those that haven’t are soon about to. America is not hurting other countries economically as much as they are hurting themselves. The entire ICE thing is terrible and it is too bad the government agencies have given in and that the military seems to be rolling with it too. But it is still domestic affairs as long there isn’t any proof of concentration camps or massacres or the like. We have lots of empathy for the people in America suffering from all of this.
But then again…
You guys have free elections and this is your democratically elected leader doing what he promised to do. You guys had him elected after he staged a failed coup once already. What do you expect the rest of the world to do about it? To save you guys from yourselves?
Sorry, dude. We’re busy dealing with our own national problems, trying to block Chat Control in EU, support Ukraine and deal with the entire Russia scenario, try to stop the genocide in Gaza, and a bazillion other more pressing things than dealing with problems America had caused for itself.
Never fails to surprise me that there are people in the US who expect the world to fix this for them. Sorry, it’s your country, you’ll have to figure out how to take it back. In the mean time the rest of us will work out new trade deals with other countries and arm ourselves in case your government decides to take their shit across the border.
The OP is on feddit.uk, so most likely not an American.
The question is also just that, a question. Not an expectation.
Fair, I made an assumption, however my general point still stands. on various SM sites I use, I’ve encountered quite a few from the US who have asked us Canadians to invade them, or for some other country to bomb them, it’s wild 🥴
Also worth noting that it is “everyone’s problem” as soon as US turns his military against other countries.
For now it is Venezuela and maybe Nigeria,
But here at South America we are “bracing for impact” even though we aren’t Venezuela per se.
Trump already told he wants to annex Canada, Panama, Greenland and Vance already vented his distaste against Europe.
It is just a matter of time before US turns against Europe.
And then it will suddenly be a “World’s problem” because it only is a problem when the western civilization gets the wrong end of the stick.
Look, as an American, all I’m asking for is a little extrajudicial redition of Musk and Thiel by South Africa. If we could just get rid of some of the malevolent billionaires that have made the pilgrimage to the land of greed, we might stand a chance of holding on to some of our civil liberties.
The rest of the world is slowly routing everything around the USA. Assuming things turns back, there will be a lot to rebuild in matter of trust and commerce.
Now, if you’re talking about what happens inside the USA, well, what do you propose other countries do? Invade? Because that’s not happening. There’s enough to do for damage control outside of it.
Countries need to reduce their dependency on the US first:
- The US is the strongest force within NATO, so with Russia getting more aggressive, Europe and Canada need to quickly build up a stronger army.
- The US is NATO’s largest supplier of weapons, so Europe and Canada need to invest in their weapons industry.
- The US is the worlds largest manufacturer of CPU’s and GPU’s. While there are non-US alternatives, these are not as good and are designed for custom build electronics rather than desktops, laptops and servers.
- Most international payments go via the US (even a lot of international payments within Europe). Countries need to persuade their banks to find new ways to do international payments, but the current system is pretty advantages for the banks, so they are reluctant to agree.
- Most cloud infrastructure is in the US. Other countries will need to move their data out of the US.
- The US is a large provider of humanitarian aid, and the largest exporter of food. Poor countries will have to find a new way to get those resources.
TLDR The USA is the most powerful country in the world, and the world never prepared for a time when the USA would be led by a fascist asshole.
Someone need to convince the US to invade the US in order to give the US some #Democracy™
I hear that the US has oil and WMDs
In some universe WMDs stands for Wario McDonalds the bad sibling of Ronald.
Don’t you worry. Civil War is still on the horizon. Gotta see how 2026 goes.
Someone need to convince the US to invade the US in order to give the US some #Democracy™
Granted but its for ICE
I heard the US has oil.
The US is the strongest force within NATO, so with Russia getting more aggressive, Europe and Canada need to quickly build up a stronger army.
Strongest single nation, yeah, but then you address Europe as if it was just one nation, when our combined military might is much more than any single nation is thought to have.
For instance think of how much we Finns fought Russians, when we started with practically nothing to defend ourselves with. Currently we have the largest (and most accurate) artillery in Finland and NORDEFCO and EU defense initiatives. So we got the top of Europe locked down pretty tight.
The US has the largest defense budget and is the most powerful navy, obviously, but we know what to do in our woods. Things even the infamous US marines kinda suck at sometimes. A group of conscripted cooks took down a helicopter of landing marines, that sounds worse than it is, basically the marines just landed and the well camouflaged food group took positions and won the battle or smth some years ago. Now I think it’s been the US helping us, idk how different the Baltic Sea is to ocean operations, and Idk jack shit about navy either as am army. https://yle.fi/a/74-20153073
Anyway wanted to paste something and the older article was now behind paywall so that’s just hyping up Finn US cooperation in helping bust the Russian shadow fleet
Luckily military protocols and treaties aren’t as easily influenced by politics as well, politics. I mean, they are, obviously, but there’s usually just a hint more reason being utilised. That’s what I loved about being in the army. So simple.
A group of conscripted cooks took down a helicopter of landing marines
kinda reminds me of this: https://www.theage.com.au/national/collins-sub-shines-in-us-war-game-20021013-gduomk.html
during war games one of australia’s collins class submarines (diesel electric, quite dated at this point) managed to “kill” a los angeles class nuclear submarine (several times over?) when the US sub was also aided by 2 destroyers
Oh yeah a Swedish sub did a similar thing to the largest US aircraft carrier, iirc. Simulated torpedos ofc but they’re as good as real ones in terms of “we got you”
Yup.
100-mil gotland class sub “sank” a 6.2 billion dollar aircraft carrier.
We Finns haven’t been allowed to have subs for a while, and I’m army, so I don’t know much about those, but it’s the same principle yeah.
The American strategy overlooks certain things sometimes. Trusts too much on technology and not enough on training.
I can’t read the article, but I remember reading about this on reddit a long time ago, and I think the general consensus was that while the diesel sub might’ve been dated, it was quieter and thus the US sub had fewer instruments it could rely on for detection.
Goes to show that sometimes there’s no objective better tool, but different tools excel at different jobs.
For instance think of how much we Finns fought Russians, when we started with practically nothing to defend ourselves with.
I’m sorry, but now I need to tell you my favorite joke about Finns! I promise this one isn’t racist! (Of course as an Estonian I know a few semi-friendly semi-racist Finnish jokes too, but I’m going to keep those to myself)
In the Winter war, a large Russian platoon makes camp near a forest in Finland. As the long northern night starts taking hold, they hear a voice from the forest: “Come and get meeee, I’m all aloneeee!”
The Russian commanders discuss this and decide that they can’t take a risk, so they send ten men out to counter the one. None return and an hour later they hear again: “I’m still alone! Come and get meeeee!”
They decide that the Russian army must not be mocked this way and send a hundred men. None return again. Once they hear the voice a third time another hour later, they get pissed and send a thousand men.
One man returns, scared for his life, all bloody. He yells out: “Don’t listen to him! There’s two of them in there!”
Yeah I’ve heard this one before and I like it.
Lemmy being as small as it is and me liking this joke as much as I do, I may literally have replied it to one of your comments before. If not on this account, then on my old lemm.ee account perhaps
May be, may be. But also the whole “one Finn equals ten Russians” meme has been around longer than living memory.
Nice tallyup, thanks
Yup. Europe needs to become self sufficient again and move on from WW2 and the Cold War.
I don’t know what you mean by that. No country or federation in the world is self sufficient. Everyone needs global trade.
Not depending on the US for defending them. (NATO)
Other countries are learning how to separate themselves economically from the US more.
I think they’re just keeping their heads down and not poking the bear. He’s already blindly striking out at imaginary percieved insults. They’re just riding out the next few years and hoping to not make anything worse.
Plus, it’s not their job. It’s the US’s job to clean up the bed they shit in.
Yeah, from the world’s perspective, this is a problem that solves itself in a few years. Plus, the idea of ‘doing something’ about a country is not a very common action. The most common action is to ignore the BS best you can, focus on building up allies, and focus on building up your own country.
There’s absolutely no excuse for buying American goods and services.
Absolutely boycot the crap out of us.
Already on it o7 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
trump is literally issuing sanctions on his own citizens and they applaud him for it. i don’t think sanctions will work here 🤷♂️
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Doctorow’s as usual excellent take also touches on this:
https://pluralistic.net/2025/11/01/redistribution-vs-predistribution/#elbows-up-eurostack
TL;DR: it’s not so much only the US, it’s corporate (quasi-)monopolies, and those operate in a lot of countries.
Trump has inspired more trade side deals between countries than any US President in history. It will take 5-10 years to notice but it cannot be reversed and the US will feel the result of an isolationist economy like once Great Britain.
Canada is signing new trade deals every month with not the USA.
Because the US is the biggest market and they’d rather make money then do the right thing.
most of the rest of the world - “someones got to be my exit-liquidity, might as well be the american working class”
Have a look into what other countries did with the rise of nazis.
Business liked it.
As a German, what do you think we could do? Even with our experience we’re having fun with the far right Afd and the other parties are basically doing everything to get more voters to them!
Oh and we’re still highly dependant on us technology and services (ms, cloud, etc) although all this could be seen coming for years now. 🤷
“nobody could’ve known!”
What we could do is build networks of interconnected support and quietly arm/train ourselves.
Xi Jingping, Putin, and Trump are all having a feast with each other, meanwhile their respective countries’ citizens starve. We have more in common with the average people across borders than with our own leaders.
To some extent, this has always been true.
It’s just that right now it’s worse than ever
they are, by not giving tourism dollars to the welfare states, and not going to usa. plus the tariffs has caused china to redirect thier soy bean addiction to the same country that trump is bailing out. unfortunately they are finally starting to bailout soybean farmers as of recently.
This. Academics are avoiding the US. Job seekers are looking elsewhere. Suppliers are not sourcing from the US because it is unstable.
Exactly. Nation states don’t need to do anything because the world’s economy is actively avoiding the US due to its instability and untrustworthiness.
I can only imagine what the next generation is going to have to deal with. Kind of makes me sad.
Canadians are not buying America’s shit, and are unlikely to resume that habit anytime soon. It doesn’t take effect immediately, but when you compound it with the other ass backwards trade policies you’re living under now you will all be suffering greatly within a year.
So will everyone, mind you.
When you make an enemy of a friend, you will have to work 7 times as hard to turn that enemy back into a friend.
7x if you use Newtonian classical physics. I think CERN discovered that it’s actually 9.4x harder when you account for the quantum foam. Plus in accordance with the theory of indeterminacy we might just spontaneously make trade deals with other partners.
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Because they are too powerful as an enemy. If they were the size of denmark, they wouldnt get away with anything.
The entire economy of the western world is also extreamly connected to the US. Our pension funds invest in their tech stocks, our financial systems use the dollar… And a lot more things that i dont even know.
America is pretty much running the western world. Like it or not. :/
They also spent almost all their money on weapons and high tech support systems. Their “defence” budget is larger than entire Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures
Just look at these numbers. America, almost 1000 billion dollars. China, 300 billion, Russia 150 billion, everyone else much much less.
Its a crazy country.
Its not just the Western world.
America got to define the new world order after world war 2.
They accrued 75% of the worlds golds reserves selling weapons to allies.
This allowed them to peg the dollar to gold under the Breton Woods system, making their currency the global reserve currency.
Never mind that scientists and innovators had fled from Eurasia to the US for safety, causing a massive braindrain
This is why they say they won WW2. They were one of few countries that had circumstances tip heavily in their favour due the war.
Yeah.
I have mixed feelings about it. How would the world look if it was China or Russia that managed to do that? How would Europe look?
I have so much western propaganda in me, that i cant judge how Russia or China would be. But looking at their current actions, its hard to see them being peaceful. America is also not peaceful though.
How is it that China is not peaceful man?
I honestly dont know much about what they do these days. Maybe they are peaceful now.
Yup. I changed my fund to one that has as few US stocks as possible this spring. All the sensible ones are ones that contain different index ETFs, so I went one with as little S&P500 exposure as possible.
But this is just me and my five digits worth of euros. I can’t convince a meaningful amount of people to switch. If a million people did the same, it would be tens of billions in US stocks liquidated. It would be beautiful.
I actually dont think its gonna crash. People here disagree, but im used to that. Still think it wont.
Well the AI bubble might collapse. But I don’t envision a run on the stock market like the one that started the great depression either.
