Onedrive has been known to just randomly break programs like razer synapse and plenty of other things, and also reinstalling itself for no reason. A friend had a game running at 20fps and it was a known issue that onedrive caused it. I would prefer to have things autosave without using something that is acting indistinguishable from a virus.
Onedrive has been known to just randomly break programs like razer synapse and plenty of other things
Never heard of that. The only thing I can imagine that might happen here is Synapse dropping off its config files in Documents, the file getting kicked off to the cloud (after a device switch/OS reinstall, by the user or via space-saving logic due to long time of not being used), and then Synapse trying to interact with the placeholder file. Literally nothing else could affect it.
Also, using any Razer software as an argument against other software is… brave.
A friend had a game running at 20fps and it was a known issue that onedrive caused it
Would love to read more about it because it sounds completely ridiculous. Unless the game constantly overwrites files in OneDrive sync’d folders, which would trigger a non-stop sync, I guess?
I would prefer to have things autosave without using something that is acting indistinguishable from a virus.
This sentence goes super hard if you have no clue what a virus is.
Also, using any Razer software as an argument against other software is… brave.
My mistake ill go tell my friend he’s just not allowed to use his mouse because a commentor on lemmy said it’s not his computer so he can’t run what he wants on it, especially not the OEM software that his mouse requires.
Onedrive seems to sync documents by default, which means any games that write log files there will be constantly syncing any time they append a little to the end of the file.
True sorry I meant malware, it tries to reinstall itself and tries to make uninstalling more difficult, while also being a massive cpu hog while the user is unaware (and hasn’t opened it once).
Ah even better it breaks itself because of telemetry logs and then takes up massive amounts of cpu in order to do nothing because it’s in a broken state. Search onedrive high cpu usage to see how common this is, happened to me too (never opened it one time). Great software that I have had to remove from 5 different people’s computers because it was either in a broken state or they played a game that was massively slowed down by a program they had not installed, didn’t even know was installed, and they had not opened or used ever. Lucky them they got to experience it twice after onedrive reinstalled itself after an update!
My mistake ill go tell my friend he’s just not allowed to use his mouse because a commentor on lemmy said it’s not his computer so he can’t run what he wants on it, especially not the OEM software that his mouse requires.
My point is that Razer is famous for designing crap quality software. It’s probably nothing related to OneDrive, just Synapse being Synapse.
Onedrive seems to sync documents by default, which means any games that write log files there will be constantly syncing any time they append a little to the end of the file.
Games shouldn’t be writing constantly to Documents. That’s what temp/cache is for.
True sorry I meant malware, it tries to reinstall itself and tries to make uninstalling more difficult, while also being a massive cpu hog while the user is unaware (and hasn’t opened it once).
I’d love to see some tests done on this. A lot of the people complaining about Windows issues are the same people who used various “debloaters”, and these cause so many unintended issues.
Sure razer programs are super sketchy, but a convenience program I never installed should not touch ANYTHING unless I tell it to. The issue isn’t “oh razer is bad so it was probably onedrive doing something correctly and then it broke” it’s “why did I have to waste time figuring out some random program I never installed and don’t want was causing this problem?”
They are writing constantly to documents because it makes it obvious to the user where the logs are, why do you get to decide they don’t get to write there? For example openmw a huge project puts logs there. Again it’s the fact it’s a program I never installed and don’t want that I had to spend hours researching to maybe find out what was causing it.
I shouldn’t have to say, for a software I never installed or wanted, “well okay I’m not allowed to append to logs to documents, or use documents for any game files that might change often, and if I’m unlucky to have onedrive be in a bugged state or they break it with an update then I will have 30% cpu usage forever unless I fix it. And also I will have to uninstall it every 6 months which might leave my file explorer in a broken state.” If this happened with a software I WANTED and installed myself, I would still complain but probably say the convenience is worth it. But it is being forced on me and the literal only reason I know about it is from it giving me 50% cpu usage and other friends having similar problems, for something they don’t want and never wanted.
Sure razer programs are super sketchy, but a convenience program I never installed should not touch ANYTHING unless I tell it to
That’s not the point I was making.
It was: OneDrive, normally, doesn’t cause any such issues. The fact that these issues exist with specifically Synapse is more probably due to Synapse being shite, than OneDrive doing anything.
They are writing constantly to documents because it makes it obvious to the user where the logs are, why do you get to decide they don’t get to write there?
Because Documents is the user’s documents space. Temp files go in Temp, application data goes in AppData. It’s a super simple system that worked on Windows for the past 20 years. Razer doing things wrong is a problem with Razer’s products, not Microsoft’s.
For example openmw a huge project puts logs there
Then the devs of openmw should be flogged too. Everybody should fuck off from the Documents folder, because it turns into another Temp/AppData with all the crap that I didn’t put there. It’s My Documents, not “trash bin for lazy devs”.
I won’t argue against it reinstalling itself as I never had a problem with it just chugging along and giving me the 5GB of free backup space.
I won’t comment on the performance hits, because I never experienced those. I’m willing to bet the fault is on either the user or the software their using, though, because I haven’t seen a performance hit on any of my 2000-3000 managed devices. Sure, OneDrive for Business uses SharePoint, but the app works in a similar way.
I won’t comment on your last paragraph too, because it just reiterates that you missed my initial point.
My documents has been the standard location for game saves for probably 20 years. You can say it shouldn’t be and you might even be right, but that’s the reality and Microsoft KNOWS that’s the reality. If appdata is really supposed to be for things like game logs, configuration and saves, can you explain to me why it’s hidden by default? How is the average person supposed to copy saves? Back them up? Edit their configuration settings? This is exactly why my documents became the default.
I personally have un-installed onedrive and had it break my file browser such that the onedrive button was still there and any time I accidentally clicked it the file browser froze. I don’t think you can chalk up every instance of onedrive slowing down a pc to user error, maybe some other software doing something unexpected + some user error. But again, many people are having issues caused by a software they never wanted. I should be able to be the worst dev ever and do whatever “incorrect” things I want, regardless of what a software I never installed and can’t get rid of thinks.
It’s also just unexpected behavior, you’re telling me just writing to my documents will lag my pc? What if I’m transferring files to my documents while doing something else, now I get massive lag spikes for the crime of putting files somewhere on my computer…? And what if it’s pictures I absolutely do not want on Microsoft servers, like medical photos? Am I just required to know Microsoft put software that uploads it without me ever consenting?
My documents has been the standard location for game saves for probably 20 years
It shouldn’t be, especially since “My Saves” exists (or existed).
We’re not talking about saves.
but that’s the reality and Microsoft KNOWS that’s the reality
Microsoft has NOTHING to do with where a developer decides his application will shit its data.
If appdata is really supposed to be for things like game logs, configuration and saves, can you explain to me why it’s hidden by default?
Because none of that is important for the user, unless they’re troubleshooting. And if they’re troubleshooting, they either know where to look already, or they’re googling to find out anyway.
How is the average person supposed to copy saves? Back them up? Edit their configuration settings? This is exactly why my documents became the default.
Again, “My Saves”, and we’re not talking about saves.
personally have un-installed onedrive and had it break my file browser such that the onedrive button was still there and any time I accidentally clicked it the file browser froze
Don’t know when you did that, but there was a time where OneDrive was “hard-coded” into Windows installations and brute-force killing it could break things. Which is why you didn’t remove it fully, you just disabled it back then (log out, exit app, check if it’s removed from Startup Applications, job done).
Nowadays you can uninstall it easily.
I don’t think you can chalk up every instance of onedrive slowing down a pc to user error, maybe some other software doing something unexpected + some user error.
Do you remember some 1-2 years ago when “debloating” was super popular? Like, every thread on r/Windows about new installations would have people shouting about the need to “debloat” by the use of some script from the Internet?
Do you also remember how that community didn’t have a week without a couple “Windows Search is broken!!!11” threads? You ever notice how the fad for “debloating” died down, these threads also disappeared?
So, yeah, I can absolutely attribute a bunch of obscure issues that were never acknowledged by MS to user error or “malicious” software.
I should be able to be the worst dev ever and do whatever “incorrect” things I want, regardless of what a software I never installed and can’t get rid of thinks.
Yeah, that’s not how computers work.
It’s also just unexpected behavior, you’re telling me just writing to my documents will lag my pc?
No.
Or rather: “no, it’s not supposed to”.
I don’t know what logs does Synapse, or whatever similar app, drop in the Documents folder. If it’s thousands of operations per minute, there’s possibly a chance that OneDrive would trip over and die over this. But having thousands of operations per minute saved in logs, in Documents, is just retarded design in the first place.
Let me put it this way: I develop relatively large scripts for work. I have them all in my OneDrive folder. I will also often unzip software packages into a OneDrive-synced folder. Thousands of files getting dropped out of an archive. I have never had any PC performance issues caused by OneDrive during that time.
And what if it’s pictures I absolutely do not want on Microsoft servers
Don’t put them in a synced folder…?
Am I just required to know Microsoft put software that uploads it
Yes, you should know what you’re doing on your computer. When you first open it, OneDrive tells you what the Status icons mean, so you should understand which folder is synced and which isn’t.
without me ever consenting?
You logging in to OneDrive gave it consent to do the things it’s designed to do. If you’re fresh-installing Windows and use an MS account, you either get information about OneDrive during OOBE, or you get pop-ups about OneDrive after the installation is completed. Unless you just blindly close anything that isn’t your Desktop, you are fully informed to the capabilities of your PC in terms of what OneDrive does and where it does it.
Onedrive has been known to just randomly break programs like razer synapse and plenty of other things, and also reinstalling itself for no reason. A friend had a game running at 20fps and it was a known issue that onedrive caused it. I would prefer to have things autosave without using something that is acting indistinguishable from a virus.
Never heard of that. The only thing I can imagine that might happen here is Synapse dropping off its config files in Documents, the file getting kicked off to the cloud (after a device switch/OS reinstall, by the user or via space-saving logic due to long time of not being used), and then Synapse trying to interact with the placeholder file. Literally nothing else could affect it.
Also, using any Razer software as an argument against other software is… brave.
Would love to read more about it because it sounds completely ridiculous. Unless the game constantly overwrites files in OneDrive sync’d folders, which would trigger a non-stop sync, I guess?
This sentence goes super hard if you have no clue what a virus is.
My mistake ill go tell my friend he’s just not allowed to use his mouse because a commentor on lemmy said it’s not his computer so he can’t run what he wants on it, especially not the OEM software that his mouse requires.
Onedrive seems to sync documents by default, which means any games that write log files there will be constantly syncing any time they append a little to the end of the file.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stadia/comments/m8luww/pause_one_drive_sync_while_you_play_it_completely/
True sorry I meant malware, it tries to reinstall itself and tries to make uninstalling more difficult, while also being a massive cpu hog while the user is unaware (and hasn’t opened it once).
https://windowsreport.com/onedrive-high-cpu/
Ah even better it breaks itself because of telemetry logs and then takes up massive amounts of cpu in order to do nothing because it’s in a broken state. Search onedrive high cpu usage to see how common this is, happened to me too (never opened it one time). Great software that I have had to remove from 5 different people’s computers because it was either in a broken state or they played a game that was massively slowed down by a program they had not installed, didn’t even know was installed, and they had not opened or used ever. Lucky them they got to experience it twice after onedrive reinstalled itself after an update!
My point is that Razer is famous for designing crap quality software. It’s probably nothing related to OneDrive, just Synapse being Synapse.
Games shouldn’t be writing constantly to Documents. That’s what temp/cache is for.
I’d love to see some tests done on this. A lot of the people complaining about Windows issues are the same people who used various “debloaters”, and these cause so many unintended issues.
Sure razer programs are super sketchy, but a convenience program I never installed should not touch ANYTHING unless I tell it to. The issue isn’t “oh razer is bad so it was probably onedrive doing something correctly and then it broke” it’s “why did I have to waste time figuring out some random program I never installed and don’t want was causing this problem?”
They are writing constantly to documents because it makes it obvious to the user where the logs are, why do you get to decide they don’t get to write there? For example openmw a huge project puts logs there. Again it’s the fact it’s a program I never installed and don’t want that I had to spend hours researching to maybe find out what was causing it.
An example of it being really buggy to get rid of
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/3998214/one-drive-keeps-recreating-itself
Reinstalling itself
https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/brai09/onedrive_keeps_reinstalling_itself/
About performance idk what to tell you this seems very common
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/5i46aj/onedrive_is_always_checking_for_changes_and/
https://www.reddit.com/r/onedrive/comments/oiix8t/high_cpu_and_ram_without_syncing_file_what_happen/
Tons of videos on YouTube about it too.
I shouldn’t have to say, for a software I never installed or wanted, “well okay I’m not allowed to append to logs to documents, or use documents for any game files that might change often, and if I’m unlucky to have onedrive be in a bugged state or they break it with an update then I will have 30% cpu usage forever unless I fix it. And also I will have to uninstall it every 6 months which might leave my file explorer in a broken state.” If this happened with a software I WANTED and installed myself, I would still complain but probably say the convenience is worth it. But it is being forced on me and the literal only reason I know about it is from it giving me 50% cpu usage and other friends having similar problems, for something they don’t want and never wanted.
That’s not the point I was making.
It was: OneDrive, normally, doesn’t cause any such issues. The fact that these issues exist with specifically Synapse is more probably due to Synapse being shite, than OneDrive doing anything.
Because Documents is the user’s documents space. Temp files go in Temp, application data goes in AppData. It’s a super simple system that worked on Windows for the past 20 years. Razer doing things wrong is a problem with Razer’s products, not Microsoft’s.
Then the devs of openmw should be flogged too. Everybody should fuck off from the Documents folder, because it turns into another Temp/AppData with all the crap that I didn’t put there. It’s My Documents, not “trash bin for lazy devs”.
I won’t argue against it reinstalling itself as I never had a problem with it just chugging along and giving me the 5GB of free backup space.
I won’t comment on the performance hits, because I never experienced those. I’m willing to bet the fault is on either the user or the software their using, though, because I haven’t seen a performance hit on any of my 2000-3000 managed devices. Sure, OneDrive for Business uses SharePoint, but the app works in a similar way.
I won’t comment on your last paragraph too, because it just reiterates that you missed my initial point.
My documents has been the standard location for game saves for probably 20 years. You can say it shouldn’t be and you might even be right, but that’s the reality and Microsoft KNOWS that’s the reality. If appdata is really supposed to be for things like game logs, configuration and saves, can you explain to me why it’s hidden by default? How is the average person supposed to copy saves? Back them up? Edit their configuration settings? This is exactly why my documents became the default.
I personally have un-installed onedrive and had it break my file browser such that the onedrive button was still there and any time I accidentally clicked it the file browser froze. I don’t think you can chalk up every instance of onedrive slowing down a pc to user error, maybe some other software doing something unexpected + some user error. But again, many people are having issues caused by a software they never wanted. I should be able to be the worst dev ever and do whatever “incorrect” things I want, regardless of what a software I never installed and can’t get rid of thinks.
It’s also just unexpected behavior, you’re telling me just writing to my documents will lag my pc? What if I’m transferring files to my documents while doing something else, now I get massive lag spikes for the crime of putting files somewhere on my computer…? And what if it’s pictures I absolutely do not want on Microsoft servers, like medical photos? Am I just required to know Microsoft put software that uploads it without me ever consenting?
Microsoft has NOTHING to do with where a developer decides his application will shit its data.
Because none of that is important for the user, unless they’re troubleshooting. And if they’re troubleshooting, they either know where to look already, or they’re googling to find out anyway.
Again, “My Saves”, and we’re not talking about saves.
Don’t know when you did that, but there was a time where OneDrive was “hard-coded” into Windows installations and brute-force killing it could break things. Which is why you didn’t remove it fully, you just disabled it back then (log out, exit app, check if it’s removed from Startup Applications, job done).
Nowadays you can uninstall it easily.
Do you remember some 1-2 years ago when “debloating” was super popular? Like, every thread on r/Windows about new installations would have people shouting about the need to “debloat” by the use of some script from the Internet?
Do you also remember how that community didn’t have a week without a couple “Windows Search is broken!!!11” threads? You ever notice how the fad for “debloating” died down, these threads also disappeared?
So, yeah, I can absolutely attribute a bunch of obscure issues that were never acknowledged by MS to user error or “malicious” software.
Yeah, that’s not how computers work.
No.
Or rather: “no, it’s not supposed to”.
I don’t know what logs does Synapse, or whatever similar app, drop in the Documents folder. If it’s thousands of operations per minute, there’s possibly a chance that OneDrive would trip over and die over this. But having thousands of operations per minute saved in logs, in Documents, is just retarded design in the first place.
Let me put it this way: I develop relatively large scripts for work. I have them all in my OneDrive folder. I will also often unzip software packages into a OneDrive-synced folder. Thousands of files getting dropped out of an archive. I have never had any PC performance issues caused by OneDrive during that time.
Don’t put them in a synced folder…?
Yes, you should know what you’re doing on your computer. When you first open it, OneDrive tells you what the Status icons mean, so you should understand which folder is synced and which isn’t.
You logging in to OneDrive gave it consent to do the things it’s designed to do. If you’re fresh-installing Windows and use an MS account, you either get information about OneDrive during OOBE, or you get pop-ups about OneDrive after the installation is completed. Unless you just blindly close anything that isn’t your Desktop, you are fully informed to the capabilities of your PC in terms of what OneDrive does and where it does it.