• ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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    3 days ago

    to be fair there is enough vacant homes already in a lot of the metropolises around the world. just poorly distributed.

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      3 days ago

      There is a lot of vacant houses. When you narrow that down to “long term vacancies in metropolises” the number goes down , and by no small amount

      • CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org
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        2 days ago

        so its more of a fucklandlords and fuckthehousingbubble than fuckcars really, if we look at it close enough

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          2 days ago

          No, absolutely fuck cars, cars are worse than landlords… Might be a hot take but the cars and urban spread that cars allow do more damage than landlords

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            2 days ago

            while i certainly think there are far more cars distributed amongst people than needed, i don’t think they should go alltogether, as they still have their usecases (certainly not a personal everyday mode of transport tho). Housing problem, on the other hand, is more immediate:

            if i go to a new city, i won’t give a single smallest flying fuck about cars, if i won’t be able to find myself a place to live.

            So yeah, absolutely fuck the landlords and the real estate agencies.

            • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              2 days ago

              More immediate issue isn’t necessarily a less important or less worse issue. Cars have much greater long term impacts on the ability of a population to be restrained by debt, damage to the environment, and hurt smaller economic ecosystems that are important for robust cities and towns.

              I’m not saying don’t fuck the landlords I’m saying they’re a less important issue.

              • CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org
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                2 days ago

                let’s head back to my example:

                how tf am i supposed to care about cars if i don’t have anywhere to live? A roof above your head is at the literal bottom of the Maslow pyramid, as it’s a basic need. People won’t care about anything unless those are satisfied.

                So yes, homes are more important issue even if cars is your priority

                • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  2 days ago

                  This isn’t about a hypothetical where you don’t have x or y, or about you personally in a hypothetical. it’s about what are larger issues at the present.

                  Having a home is more important. The housing crisis is considerably less of an issue as of yet compared to car centric sprawl, even though they are very related issues.

                  Housing is also much easier to fix. It doesn’t require decades of infrastructure, it requires changing a few zoning restrictions here and there, and some small encouragement for larger multi family apartments

                  • CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org
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                    2 days ago

                    if it’s such an easy fix, why won’t we fix it first, so that more people would be able to join the anti-car movement? I never said whe should have x or y tho. Just that we should have x before having y.