When I was working as an intern the company was into a group called PSI Seminars.
They are also into Tony Robbins.
When I didn’t finish PSI Basic everything changed. I had no future there.
How can I explain to a future potential employer that my last employer was in a cult without looking unprofessional?
I highly think they are going to throw me under the bus if used as a reference.
“it wasn’t a good cultural fit, I’m looking for someone more dynamic/insert whatever you think the new company has”
“There weren’t any growth opportunities, I didn’t want to stagnate”.
Something where instead of complaining about the other company, you show that you want to be a good employee and seek growth opportunities, yada yada
Yep, this approach exactly.
The cultural fit in particular I like to use. This is often thrown around as a catch-all term by companies when they don’t want to hire you for a bunch of bullshit reasons they don’t want to disclose to you. It’s only fair you weaponise too.
Had to use it recently to reject an offer and to avoid saying: “the person who would be my manager seemed like a gigantic dickhead and I barely made it the hour without slamming my monitor against the wall”. Although part of me wish I had said that.
I like your rendition the best; they could also add something about the internship.
As I progressed through the internship, I realized it wasn’t a good cultural fit for me. When it came time to run through their self-help boot camps, I found myself wanting to be part of something more grounded.
You can just check yourself if they are going to throw you under the bus. Call up and pretend to be some other business doing a reference check on you. If they tell you anything defaming, sue. If you are somewhere with one-party consent, record the call.
You worked there as an intern? In your field, do people expect to move from intern to full-time employee? If not, “the internship ended.”
I am going to go against the grain of conventional advice and say you should just outline it like you did here. I have been in the position of hiring people before. I much prefer to know the real reason why someone left a company. Granted, if someone says “my boss was an asshole”, I would probably just see that as likely making excuses. But, if someone says “I left because I was subjected to verbal and emotional harassment by my boss, and if you want me to provide specific examples I can do so”, that’s actually information I would prefer to know. I think your situation falls into that later example for sure.
The idea that you should never speak ill of a former employer regardless of the circumstances IMO is bad advice.
Maybe for small time employers, but I feel like big companies don’t care because there’s too many applicants. As in, between two equal candidates, they’ll take the one that sounds “unproblematic.”
In general it really does depend on the interviewer. I was honest and open about how my new manager at my last job fucked over the team and myself, with specific details, and it led to good conversations during the interview process for the place I’m at now.
Yes, I think my advice applies more to an interview than something you would put down on paper on a questionnaire.
That is refreshing to hear. Thanks.
A lot of places don’t actually do real references. They will say that you worked there and give no opinions on you as a worker, because they don’t want to risk getting sued for you not getting the job. Not sure if that helps you worry less. As far as the cultiness, I wouldn’t mention it. I’d come up with a more BS excuse that flatters the potential employer without insulting the previous one. Unfortunately, I’ve been a SAHM for too long and can’t think of any examples for you…
You don’t, you say thay you left because you felt that the company culture was too unprofessional for you
A reference is usually just to confirm the dates you worked there. They can’t badmouth you.
They shouldn’t, but they can.
It’s a really bad idea for them to do so.
meh. small employers and cults are more likely to. you can try to sue them but its not easy.
They can’t badmouth you.
the law isn’t some binding geass cast on us all at birth forcing compliance in all acts
Did you attend any. meetings? What makes them worse than standard fare?
I’m not negating you, the website just doesn’t shed much light on what makes them different.
I attempted to attend PSI Basic which is on the weekend. Three 10 hour days. On the second day I was feeling really fatigued so I just went home and slept nine hours. Two days later I came down with a cold or flu. I think they wanted me to persevere and will my mind to continue on.
Sounds like you dodged a bullet. Sorry you have to deal with that and the aftereffects.
Had a similar situation happen at one of my old workplaces. Super culty. You’ll survive.
In addition to what others said (namely, that companies tend not to give “references” anymore, but instead give “verification”, which is where they confirm the dates of employment), if you need references, I recommend getting coworkers who liked you to write a letter of recommendation and send it directly to you for you to include with your job applications.
You can whip up a “letter of recommendation” template to send to your work friends, then just ask them not to include a date on their letter. I’ve been reusing some old letters of recommendation for years and future employers seem to appreciate that I include them in my app.
Step 1: probe what they think of Tony Robbins
how long was it and do you have anything else experience wise in your resume?
I have other internship experience.
so @trainguyrom@reddthat.com has it right. internships are not expected to be long. When asked just say the internship ended unless it was less than a semester in time.
