• Dasus@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Jesus you’re stupid. I keep telling you you’re wrong, and why. Then you just pretend you didn’t hear it, that none of the inane silly bullshit you said was as inane as it actually was.

    You understand significantly less than you think you do, and I understand significantly more than you’re even capable of understanding. You’ve shown that again and again and again, also while literally pretending like the experience I went through is something normal in the US. And you don’t base that off of ANYTHING other than your childish avoidance of admitting your ignorance.

    I’ve seen this act literally thousands and thousands of time this will end with you spamming one liners and writing things like “oh you think I’m gonna read all that” while still pretending you understand better than I do, when pinä et suhu sedes uomeakaan.

    Where were you when the second plane hit? What were you doing and thinking?

    I’ve also kept it from the conversation this far to make you seem more ridiculous. Have you ever been to Finland? Have you ever even been in Europe, or even just out of the country?

    Do you have Finnish relatives you’ve been mailing and seeing since you were a kid? No?

    Have you ever been in prison?

    Again no.

    Time and time again you show your ignorance yet think it’s somehow better than my actual knowledge. This is why Trump won. You’re so easily misled by utterly shit rhetoric because you literally don’t even have literacy to understand the BS you’re spouting.

    Remember that I’m choosing this language because *YOU" don’t speak any others. Hell, you’re probably not even functionally literate in English either, seems like.

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      Holy fuck you’re pretentious. And no, English is not my only language, I’m well traveled and I’ve lived abroad.

      You. Don’t. Understand. America.

      You know things lots of things about it. That isn’t the same thing. You’re not even very informed about life here, you’ve latched onto strange details from media and totally missed the kind of sociological analysis you’d need to begin to compare it to life in Finland

      America is an escapist fantasy for you, it’s a place where you lived a different life, where you were recognized as extra special and your childhood wasn’t painful

      It’s not a real place to you. It’s an emotion

      You’re just like those weeaboos who move to Japan thinking it would be like an anime

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        I haven’t claimed that you don’t speak but a single language. I implied as much, and you got all bent out of shape that you know more languages. Again comparing, when the comparison is not even remotely close.

        I imagine, (and again, imagining something doesn’t mean asserting it) that your second language skills are comparable to my Swedish or German. That is I can do customer service in Swedish but not hold a long conversation, and could perhaps order for myself in German, but not actually work with the language.

        But I speak English fluently. Hell, arguably better than my native language. I for sure have a wider vocabulary in English, as that’s just the nature of the language, as English has more than a million words but Finnish some 100 000 and my English vocabulary exceeds 100k as per the test I previously mentioned.

        You keep saying I don’t understand, but not accepting or admitting what you fail to understand.

        You’re not even very informed about life here

        Again, pulling shit out of your arse, just because.

        Just because you don’t like admitting that you might have a poorer understanding than someone else. I may be wrong, but i would bet my left testicle that we could get tested by clinical psychologists and linguists and I have a wider understanding of US and English (+my native language and knowledge) than you do of the US and English against any given other country.

        Where have you lived for, how long, what language do you speak as fluently as English? (Although your reading comprehension in English could use a bit of improving.)

        So, based on *what" exactly do you think I’m not very informed? Specifically, that is?

        onto strange details

        See this is what I meant with your literacy. I speak your naive language better than you, lol, and you can’t accept I can understand the basics of the secret society that is 'Murica.

        detail /ˈdiːteɪl/ noun

        1.
        an individual fact or item.
        

        I’ve literally prattled on a list about the general and largest problems in the US. Literally the opposite of “details”.

        America is an escapist fantasy for you,

        I wouldn’t fucking set foot in the US even if you paid me ten thousand dollars. Literally. I would not. I wouldn’t risk it. A million or a couple and we’re talking.

        Just because I understand things which are better in the US doesn’t mean I think the US is better to live in. I’ve kept this the whole time, yet you keep insisting “you don’t understand”, when you can’t point to anything in detail which I don’t understand and whilst constantly telling you I’ve been extremely critical of the US for the past 25 years.

        Speaking of… you still haven’t answered where you were on 9/11? I’d argue if you can’t even remember that, you can’t understand America. /s

        I don’t actually argue that. But I definitely could if I were to argue as badly as you. Because betting that you’re under, idk, 30 isn’t really a huge bet. I accept I can be completely wrong and you’ve just ignored on accident, but it’s also likely you’re in your twenties and literally we’re a baby/didn’t exist when 9/11 happened. But I won’t. Since it’d be silly of me to assert what you know or don’t.

        You’ll notice I still haven’t even asserted you don’t understand Finland properly. I’ve said I imagine you don’t, and that you clearly don’t understand that you don’t understand that I do understand. You can’t possibly understand what I understand or not. Just like I can’t understand what you understand completely either, as reading minds isn’t a thing. You can assume thoughts though. You haven’t. You just keep screeching “you don’t understand” without being able to point to the “details” you pretend I “latch onto”.

        Your image of Finland is much more of a fantasy than my idea of the US, thats clear enough.

        It’s getting to the bit where you’re gonna get so mad that deluding yourself won’t work anymore.

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          3 days ago

          Jesus Christ… You’re a piece of work. I didn’t feel a need to defend my understanding of language until you slipped in jabs multiple times. Because my ideas stand for themselves

          You’ll notice I still haven’t even asserted you don’t understand Finland properly. I’ve said I imagine you don’t, and that you clearly don’t understand that you don’t understand that I do understand. You can’t possibly understand what I understand or not. Just like I can’t understand what you understand completely either, as reading minds isn’t a thing. You can assume thoughts though. You haven’t. You just keep screeching “you don’t understand” without being able to point to the “details” you pretend I “latch onto”.

          I’ve said multiple times. I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT’S LIKE TO LIVE IN FINLAND. It would be insanely arrogant to claim otherwise, and not once in my life have I done so. I’ve had online friends who live there, my step dad has gone there at least once a year for like 40 years…I know plenty about your culture. But I’ve never experienced it

          And it’s equally arrogant to think you understand my country.

          But I do know your laws and outcome statistics. I know which laws and programs I want for my country. Like driving around homeless people… I’ve given them rides. I’ve never thought of a program to do so, not out of lack of compassion, but because the Nordic countries have a better attitude towards the homeless and social programs. That’s exactly what I want for my country. That’s what I’m pointing at.

          And of course you know more words in English. All languages have a speed at which they are spoken, and a set of vocabulary. All human languages have about the same information density, English has one of the largest vocabularies. I find Spanish poetry amusing, because of how it doesn’t translate well… It has one of the smallest vocabularies and highest words per minute

          As for details… What’s your obsession with skipping grades? That’s not a real thing. We have magnet schools and gifted programs… Skipping grades is basically not a thing. It causes socialization problems. I slept through my classes through college, because I was bored.

          You barely understand America at a surface level. I say that purely out of your weird beliefs. You talk like an America-phile, fetishizing my county with little understanding of how any of it works.

          The smartest thing you’ve said is that you’d never come here. Because with your history with weed, you’d be locked in a box until they deported you. And I think that’s horrible.

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            But I do know your laws and outcome statistics

            No, you don’t, and unlike me, you’re unwilling to learn. I’ve been trying to teach you the difference, but you just keep saying I can’t possibly understand. You can’t reason that in any way, yet you assert it.

            I’ve told you how those systems and laws you admire don’t work here. I’ve told you the extent to which I’ve chased these things and I’m telling you, the pathological avoidance is nation-wide. In the US, lawyers can actually profit from suing the state, so IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. Not to everyone, not all the time, not even remotely. But like with “whole grades acceleration”, IT ACTUALLY DOES EXIST AND HAS MOTIVATIONS FOR WHY PEOPLE WOULD DO IT.

            One course in law I took had the professor tell us how all of us probably had assumptions based on having seen so American TV. And we did. Suing is completely different. Justice systems are completely different, down to the core.

            Can you even tell the key differences between common law and civil law systems without Googling?

            I’ve never thought of a program to do so, not out of lack of compassion

            There isn’t one. You’re making shitty assumptions, yet again. I could explain why I was driving around drunks and homeless people, despite them not getting driven around because they’re homeless and/or drunks. But did you ask? No. You make shitty assumptions about some cloud cuckoo land where people don’t frown the homeless or substance abusers. It’s fantasy.

            Nordic countries have a better attitude towards the homeless and social programs

            Again, you simply display your ignorance.

            If you’re in New York and laying on the street, no-one will stop, “not my problem” they’ll think. In rural Kansas though, in a small village where eveyone know each other, they probably would. It’s called “the bystander effect”. And social programs can do that to whole nations. You simply aren’t willing to open your mind to the possibility that someone thinks so differently from you that you can’t understand it.

            And because at the same time I assert that it doesn’t work the other way around, because I do understand the American frame of mind, I understand them both, you get all mad and start having a tantrum.

            Despite the simple fact that I could pass for an American easily and could pass American citizenship test but you wouldn’t even be able to take the Finnish citizenship test and even if they allowed you to take it English, you wouldn’t pass.

            And of course you know more words in English

            Why of course? Because while English has a wider vocabulary, it doesn’t have more words, simply because of the agglutinative nature of Finnish multiplies the amount of words. But just like with every other mistake, you’ll just stop caring about that and won’t be able to address the fact that you were actually wrong about something.

            Here, conjugating “a dog”

            But you simply can’t accept the fact that I have a viewpoint which is wider than yours. Not in life in general, but for the differences in Finnish and American cultures and society, most definitely

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              God, you’re a fucking retard. I’ve had deeper conversations with people with extra chromosomes.

              And I’m not being sarcastic, I genuinely have. They’re delightful people who only engage in good faith. They’re joyful, I still don’t understand what you stand for

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                See, just like I said; your replies are devolving and you’ll give in before admitting to having made a single wrong assumption. Yet you insist it is I who “just doesn’t understand.” Before long you’ll be replying with “you think I’m gonna read all that” or “lol, k” or something to that extent, because you simply can’t acknowledge having been wrong.

                This is just about your ego. If you had a healthy one, you could actually admit that yeah, I do understand American culture and society and that you were wrong to assume that my notions of the US are somehow fantasies, and that I wouldn’t pass the citizenship test. I clearly would.

                You just can’t accept there’s an asynchronicity between America and Finland that means that I understand you more than you do Finland.

                The word you’re looking for is “annoying”, by the way. Not “fucking retarded”. I know that I’ve “won” whenever the replies begin starting like that. You’re getting super emotional, and that means I’ve done what I set out to do. Which isn’t to “win” a conversation, as I don’t see it as a competition, but as you do, you have to “get the last word” so you can’t just stop replying. But you can’t address any of the things said either, because I proved you wrong in them. You just keep avoiding more and more and more and saying less and less and less. I’ve seen this a thousand times. Literally. No exaggeration.

                I engage in good faith. You do not.

                That’s why I can point to any part of the conversation, while you have to desperately avoid that I do in fact understand American society and culture. That’s why you won’t answer where you were on 9/11. That’s why you won’t answer my rhetorical point about a person “not being able to understand America if they can’t remember where they were on 9/11” and that’s why you probably got so mad about it, because I’m guessing you either had a tit in your mouth or didn’t even exist. That’s why you have to keep avoiding the simple fact that there’s an asynchronicity between how much people understand the US and how much they understand Finland. And that your notions of Finland are indeed from articles reading “Finland is the happiest country in the world” over and over and over again. That’s why you have to avoid continuing to pretend like you understand our laws and programs, when you continue to prove you do not. We don’t drive around homeless people in taxis because they’re homeless people. Yet you think we do. You think Finland is some holy paradise in which the lowest of the low in society get treated with nothing but kindness and respect and that everyone helps them and values them as members of society… and then you have the gall to call me delusional. :DD

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                  Jesus Christ, you’re actually 14…

                  Have you made a point in all of this? You’ve passionately expressed your feelings plenty

                  Me: I want to adopt aspects of the Nordic model

                  You: BUH BUH BUH I experienced police brutality and I’m from there!

                  Me: Yes, yes, police brutality is bad. But anyways…

                  You: You only speak English and I could pass your citizenship test!

                  Me: What?

                  You: Yes, I’ve watched all the movies! I know America! I am wolverine!

                  Me: (patiently) you know movies and reality are different, right?

                  You: I KNOW AMERICA! BETTER THAN YOU EVEN!

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                    See, just like I said. You’re getting increasingly frustrated.

                    you’re actually 14…

                    I was around 14 when the planes hit the twin towers. Where were you? CAN’T REMEMBER?

                    Either you don’t speak English, or you’re refusing to answer me. Because you’re mad about me being right and you being wrong.

                    YOU have misunderstood, and then pretend not to. When I make mistakes, I stand behind them. You don’t, because you don’t engage in good faith.

                    Now you’re making strawmen out of your own arguments? Fucking hilarious. Should we go over all your fantasies about the Nordics again, about how you imagine homeless people get fucking FREE TAXI RIDES? :DDD And you call me delusional for saying I have the knowledge to pass your citizenship test because I understand American society and culture.

                    Yet you childishly insist and stomp your foot “wyaaa wyaaa wyaaa YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND”

                    I don’t “understand”… what, exactly?

                    “I’m not gonna answer anything admitting I’m fallible, I’m gonna start autistically screeching things I would be offended by. You’re a retard! You’re 14!”

                    I would genuinely give an arm and a leg to be 14 again. You wouldn’t, because you’re proving with everything that you’re in your twenties, and you’re still in the phase where you think age matters. Or offends, for that matter.

                    You can’t reply to where you were at 9-11. Perhaps you don’t know what it’s about, seeing as you can’t remember it? Ask any true American, they’d point out how unAmerican you’re being. Hell, you probably wouldn’t pass the citizenship test, given that you seem to not know what 9/11 is and that is a question on it. I know because I did it on an official practice test, you remember? When you were screaming “fucking retard you’re delusional to think you’d pass the citizenship test.”

                    Just suck it up; I understand American culture and society, despite you screeching for days about how I can’t possibly.

                    You’re out of arguments and getting mad at the man online telling you’re kinda emotional, aren’t you? ;>

                    Why are you talking about movies and TV? First off, I bet my left testicle you’ve NEVER even seen a single Finnish movie or show. Nor have you ever opened a Finnish government website, nor would you even recognise one because you don’t know what the equivalent to “.org” is.

                    Yet you did assert that you understand Finnish laws and rules. When you don’t know literally a single word and can’t have read them. (Translating them is not reading them as they’re put and you don’t speak Finnish or Swedish)

                    But will you accept you’re the one who understands less about the other’s society? Ofc you won’t you’re an egotistic kid. Like I’ve said, I’ve seen this a thousand times. I’ve literally told people hundreds of times how this goes and they still always follow it to the letter, and so will you.

                    Oh so me having American relatives, acing the citizenship test, having better English skills than native speakers and just having been reading about US politics since before you were born means that I think movies are real? And you’re not at all in the wrong or desperately making strawmen?

                    That’s what you call “engaging in good faith”? You know if you actually studied philosophy and rhetoric at all you might know more about it than just the names of the fallacies. You might actually understand what they mean.

                    Although I doubt it. You’re literally brain-damaged

                    https://today.duke.edu/2022/03/lead-exposure-last-century-shrunk-iq-scores-half-americans

                    You won’t answer any of the questions I’ve asked you but you’ll keep up this autistic tantrum and reply