I’m getting quite strained from the sentiment I’m gathering from people who possess a level of cynicism to where, they believe all Americans deserve what’s happening and been happening. I don’t agree with that.

There are 75 million Americans, who tried, really tried to get out there and prevent what was to come. We just didn’t expect to be outnumbered by two million more people. But I think it’s unfair to say that those 75 million americans who tried to prevent the floodgates from opening, deserve this. Because they don’t.

There are other countries out in the world right now, who have just as bad leadership if not worse. Should we just assume the people there deserve it? No. Because there are probably people who are likely against their corrupt leaders. America is no different in that field.

We will try again come mid-terms, provided there are mid-terms. Hopefully the 77 million americans who did in fact vote for trump, have gotten enough of a wake-up call, that maybe their poor judgment and poorer decision making wasn’t as good as they thought. Because it is they that have damned us to this mess and we know it, we’ve seen it.

But don’t get this idea in your head that every American endorse the idea that we like what we have.

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    Outnumbered by 88 million, really. More than a third sat at home, fine with the current state of affairs.

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      If “did not vote” was a candidate, it would win almost every election… :(

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    If you think voting will beat these fascists, you need to think harder about how you got here. You do not have an effective opposition, the Democrats are bought and paid for by corporations.

    The midterm vote will not be free and fair. And if you wait until that is clear before fighting back, it will be much harder to do so.

    I know you can’t do much against the power of the state alone. But you have to resist, or flee. Fleeing is fine, btw, there’s going to be a lot of refugees.

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      People here cannot afford to flee, unfortunately. That is very much by design. On top of that, which countries are taking refugees so far?

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      You do not have an effective opposition, the Democrats are bought and paid for by corporations.

      Yeah, obviously. Everyone knows the billionaires give them bad consultants on purpose to make them gaff and lose votes. That’s how the Democrats stop progress to the left.

      And everyone knows the counter strat is to vote for them anyway.

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      I feel the only true way to save America anymore is a civil war. Corruption is too deep-rooted where voting and passing laws have all but become just theater. Rights have been taken away. Supreme Court rulings like Roe v Wade that we thought was to remain, have been overturned with more potential crucial rulings under threat in the same vein.

      America didn’t become America because we fled. We became America because we fought Britain so long ago, to establish who we are as a country. But we’re not that anymore and we haven’t been for a long time. All of these alt-right people proclaiming they represent that spirit, only do so in sheer mockery.

      Like I’ve said in another comment I’ve made, there is no scenario I can think of where we can solve this without blood. It is only a matter of when and the problem is what will it exactly take to finally break that camel’s back before we take up the true spirit again if it means reforming this country.

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    The point is that Trump did not get to where he is just from those who voted for him. There is a country that over the years swerved right, with the left doing nothing about it because they were too busy fighting themselves instead of fascism. And a good third to half of the population not fucking caring about this

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    I know this is Off My Chest, so I’m glad you could get it out there :) But here are some thoughts, if you wanna have a look.

    I don’t blame the average Russian for having Putin in power, I don’t blame the over-worked people who get sucked into brainwashing. If you expect people with worse resources to perform as well as you with better resources, then shouldn’t you expect even more of yourself? I don’t really care for blame generally. Everything is ultimately very interconnected. I just want change, and try to focus on that and am happy for any positive actions people take.

    I also think it’s a bit silly to just look at voting, when that’s such a small part of upholding/creating justice and democracy. What about the people who work on transparency, social and ecological justice, regardless of who’s in power? Just a few of the things that contribute to direction an entire nation state takes.

    Here’s a related excerpt from MLK’s Riverside Speech

    Really, I think the entire speech is just as powerful and relevant today.

    Now, I’ve chosen to preach about the war in Vietnam because I agree with Dante, that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality. There comes a time when silence becomes betrayal.

    The truth of these words is beyond doubt, but the mission to which they call us is a most difficult one. Even when pressed by the demands of inner truth, men do not easily assume the task of opposing their government’s policy, especially in time of war. Nor does the human spirit move without great difficulty against all the apathy of conformist thought within one’s own bosom and in the surrounding world. Moreover, when the issues at hand seem as perplexing, as they often do in the case of this dreadful conflict, we’re always on the verge of being mesmerized by uncertainty. But we must move on. Some of us who have already begun to break the silence of the night have found that the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony. But we must speak. We must speak with all the humility that is appropriate to our limited vision, but we must speak. And we must rejoice as well, for in all our history there has never been such a monumental dissent during a war, by the American people.

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      Americans haven’t been sitting around letting it happen. Not all, anyways. If you do not blame Russians for Putin, then it is pure hypocrisy to blame US citizens. Period.

      I don’t think the people taking your stance actually understand how poor and uneducated most US citizens are. The majority of people have been one paycheck away from homelessness for years. Even before Trump. The US likes to talk a big game, but it is nothing like the GDP would suggest for most Americans…

      Again, if you don’t blame Russians, yet do blame the US, you’re simply being an ignorant hypocrite.

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        You completely misunderstood me.

        Everything I said is to say precisely that I don’t blame the average American. I mean, I even talked about people generally, not Russians after the first sentence, and specifically said that I don’t care for blame generally…

        I don’t blame the average Russian for having Putin in power, I don’t blame the over-worked people who get sucked into brainwashing. If you expect people with worse resources to perform as well as you with better resources, then shouldn’t you expect even more of yourself? I don’t really care for blame generally.

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    Americans are getting treated like americans treat everyone else. All this whining about it is not endearing. I’m sorry the shoe is on the other foot for a change, but you are not the first or only people to get kicked, so stop acting like it.

    This wave of fascism has been building for decades. If in all those decades not enough americans were able or willing to stop this then America, as a system, as a country, is broken.

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    The last election in my country was 4 years ago, before that it was 9years ago. Both time the second turn was the “center” right versus the far right.

    First time I voted center without thinking about it. Second time I really didn’t want to. I looked at the polls, especially the late polls from foreign countries, and decided to vote blank. The “center” right won, but it was close. They didn’t learn the lesson at all.

    I hate them, but it still is way better than with the far right.

    I don’t know what comes next.

    You did everything you could. Just keep doing that.

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      Always vote for the party you least disagree with. Even more important: always vote. Not many USA Americans actually do vote, and some of the blame lies with them.

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    I think it depends. Some didn’t vote/couldn’t vote because their civil rights are being violated, because gop controlled states make it onerous for them to do so, usually in, ahem, “urban” areas

    But yeah, others didn’t vote because they’re apolitical, or both sides are the same, or other bullshit, yeah fuckem

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    Many USA Americans vacationing here in Europe… when in fact they should be spending their vacation demonstrating against Trump in their hometown.

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    If doesn’t matter if you like it or not, when Trump does unhinged shit real people suffer out in the world.

    They blame our country, they don’t blame just the president. And they shouldn’t - because all of us here going through our lives, going to work, paying taxes, obeying laws, keeping the economy going, etc. are instrumental to the power he is wielding as a club against everyone else.

    If you don’t want to be blamed, then resist.

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    My read on this is that since the end of the cold war, America has had a monopoly on decisionary power, and news media around the world has assigned responsibility for geopolitical events accordingly: whatever happens, wherever it happens, America has, at minimum, assented to it, and is therefore responsible for it. The first truly bizarre application of this reasoning that stood out to me was assigning blame for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on NATO. Since Russia lost the cold war, it is relatively weaker than its western neighbors, propped up by the US, and somehow that turns its acts of aggression over its former territories into defensive measures. It’s a unipolar read of geopolitics, where only one dominant power exists at the global scale, and any local complications in the balance of power are simply ignored. The same applies to the US’s internal politics. The US decides, so the US is responsible. Never mind all the attacks on democracy, representativity, and citizens’ safety and security. In the case of Milei, Orban, Bolsonaro, Putin, etc., people are more willing to see citizens as victims of their failing democracies; with the US, there is a failure to distinguish between the country’s global power and its citizens’ individual power.

    Add to that longstanding resentment over the US’s hegemony and you end up with a lot of people who have sincerely been looking forward to this shitshow. You’re just one more piece of tinder in the bonfire they’ve been waiting for their entire lives

    My point being, you’re expecting too much of most people if you’re hoping for a compassionate, nuanced read on the situation.

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    it’s divisive propaganda. it’s meant to divide people.

    ignore it.

    anyone who spreads it is either a bot or a fool.

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    Worse leadership in terms of being more corrupt and evil? Yeah. Worse leadership in terms of leadership? Hard to think of any examples.