cross-posted from: https://discuss.online/post/34255100

Thought I’d create a distinct thread from the previous one asking about daily use, because I really do want to hear more on people’s pain points. Great to know people are generally sounding pretty positive in those posts who recently switched, but want to know your difficulties as well! This way old and new users can share their thoughts, hopefully to inspire a respectful discussion.

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    On my phone. I would love to be able to run a Linux system or at least a de-googled android. But some apps I need access to don’t seem to be working without Google services and stuff like that si I’m stuck using a stock Google (Pixel) android.

    Beside that, everything is and has been working smoothly on my computers since I switched from Apple to Linux Mint, 5 or 6 years ago. My only regret is to not have switched way earlier.

    I do miss Spotlight. All the alternatives I have tested fall short one way or the other but giving up on Spotlight is not that bad of a deal considering all what Free Software, GNU and Linux have offered me in exchange. I would not want to switch back.

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      It is interesting to me that at this point, because of Waydroid, the primary things keeping me from using a Linux phone are the same things keeping me from de-googling more of my current phone. When running LineageOS in the past, I couldn’t reliably use RCS. Plenty of apps have issues with google’s Play Integrity shenanigans.

      Once I hit a point where Im ok with running a degoogled android, I’m basically ready for just going straight to Linux on phone.

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        Waydroid

        I wouldn’t recommend using Waydroid, it basically runs Google Play services and other stuff as root on your machine.

        Instead, it would be nice if we had seamless integration of virtual VMs including Android like Qubes OS does this.

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      I have not personally encountered a Google-based app I could not run within Sandboxing google play services on a GrapheneOS running Pixel phone. So, fwiw, it is working in my experience these last three-ish years.

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      Have you tried GrapheneOS (since you have a Pixel)? I put it on mine, and it works great. It treats Google services as just another app, so you can control what it has access to while also putting it into a sandbox. Plus, with the user profiles, I have further segregated Google away from my data. I have a profile solely dedicated to apps that require Google services, and so far, I’ve had only minor issues (which may just be how I’m setting my security, so it could just be a me issue).

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        Literally the only issues I have with Graphene are that my banking app won’t work and I can’t add my debit card to the wallet app. But my bank has a website, and I can still carry my card in my real wallet so I’m not really fussed.

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    Debian in its GUI (at least KDE, which I’m using at the moment) demanding the root password to install the updates it’s blinking at me about in the tray all the time. In this context, demanding a password at all is rather silly (Windows doesn’t require your password to install updates in a single user environment, and it doesn’t even pop up a UAC prompt) and this is going to be yet another one of those things that prior Windows users will moan about, declaring that “Linux is complicated and hard” and drive them back to the comfort of the devil they know when they feel like their own computer is actively trying to stymie them at seemingly every turn.

    My user account is a sudoer so there is absolutely no technical reason my own password shouldn’t work. And, in fact, if I run updates via apt in a terminal it does. But allowing updates to install from the desktop environment, something ostensibly ought to be a routine userspace kind of operation, requires everyone using the system who might want to do this to know the system-wide root password. This is a monumentally stupid idea.

    I am well aware there are myriad ways around this but they all involve hand-editing config files and come with stern warnings about “this may break your system so proceed ‘carefully,’” as if anyone who is not already an experienced Linux nerd will know just what the hell “proceeding carefully” is supposed to look like.

    The inevitable XKCD comic succinctly sums this up:

    The UNIX permissions and administration model may have made great sense on glass teletypes in the '70s and when nobody knew any better, but it’s certainly long outmoded now. It’s going to make a lot of people very angry to read this, but that’s actually one of the few things that Windows does much better, at least starting from NT onwards.

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      Doesn’t Ubuntu disable the root user out of the box and expect these actions to be performed via sudo/polkit. There is clearly a precedent for not needing a root password and being able to use your own user’s password for these kinds of things. So it is a monumentally stupid idea to require the system-wide root password, but not one that is done by all of linux, and seems to be a decision made by your distro to not use the modern solution.

      The fact is though, you’re right and the pain point is that distros are still doing things the silly way.

      • Distros should be using sudo/polkit/anything other than root user password to do things like this
      • Modifications to the sudoers file should be easier
      • The distro setup process should just be able to have some prompts about smart default things (“Passwordless updates?”) even if they include strongly discouraging comments.

      If I can sudo apt install without requiring a password, I could generate a package that installs a custom sudoers config file that allows me to do anything, so “passwordless sudo, but just for apt” is potentially easily exploitable to gain full access. But that also still assumes A) you care and B) someone has access to your account anyway (at which point you may already have bigger problems)

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      Hear me out: It still makes sense for servers, shared hosting, etc. So … where Linux has predominantly been the tool of choice.

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        It probably does. And in e.g. such a headless system, it makes sense as the default. Or more likely, whoever set that system up set it up in the way they want it to behave, hand-editing config files be damned because that certainly wouldn’t have been the only config file they had to edit.

        From a home desktop computer perspective, however, it’s baffling. At minimum that should be one of the questions in the graphical installer: “Would you like Debian to make your routine installation of software updates annoying? Yes/no. You cannot change your choice on this later without doing a bunch of scary commandline shit.”

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          Oh I realize I didn’t mention this in my original comment at all. I agree with you 103%. I want to write a separate comment about this very thing, updating things in general on Linux. I have my dad daily driving Linux along with me, and he’s somewhere between a power user and a regular “need web, document editing and PDFs” type of guy, and there is such a wide spread of software from such a wide spread of “sanctioned” installation sources on Linux, that he never really knows how to update … Anything.

          Here’s a random list of “ways to update a program” we have encountered in the last few weeks off the top of my head:

          • Update via system package manager (with root password of course)
          • Download a new .deb and install that
          • Download a new .AppImage, replace links and startup scripts manually (bonus points if the new version is straight up broken, shout out to Nextcloud Desktop Client)
          • Download archive of new files and replace all files in the “installation” directory manually
          • Run a copied sequence of bash commands from the developers’ website

          If anyone thinks of other ways to add to this list, feel free to post them, would give me a laugh for sure.

          We are both definitely not going anywhere, but we have constant conversations about how it would be nearly impossible to daily drive Linux if you are not very technically inclined, and how these things make Linux very much “not ready for prime time”, because people are simply used to “X needs update! Do you want to update now? [Yes] [No] [Later]”, and the Update just … WORKING.

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              Also: If I (or my aforementioned dad) install an AppImage, that is named “Nextcloud-DesktopClient-4.0.4.AppImage” that sets up its own startup shortcut and so on, and then I download an update (because the program literally asked me to download the new AppImage), and the new file is named “Nextcloud-DesktopClient-4.0.5.AppImage”, am I supposed to rename it to 4.0.4 manually? Rubs me the wrong way somehow. Or am I supposed to know to rename it to a version-agnostic filename before first opening it, so I don’t break things when it updates weeks down the line? My dad wouldn’t think of either of these options by the way.

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              You totally could, but like in my example in the parentheses, if stuff breaks, you have just killed your working version of a program, so I don’t have the balls to do that.

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      While I have switched from Windows to Mint with most of my PCs, permissions are the single most annoying thing I still deal with on Linux. And have been over the last decade of trying out distros over the years. I truly detest the way permissions work and were the main reason it took me so long to switch. The current political world and tech company garbage is what did it.

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      I’m not sure what app that is.

      Software upgrades package on Fedora without requiring a password, so that future is a reality for some.

      Reading up on PolKit and ACLs would probably be good.

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    Devs not working together to make Wayland universally supported and bug free ASAP or fixing X11 ASAP. With Microslop Windoze being as horrible as it is we cannot permit ourselves to fight these silly internal battles; as long as someone is not bullying, raping, killing, or, you know, peddling crypto and cheering ICE, then give each other some slack.

    As for daily usage I have no gripes. Linux works excellently. If I still gamed as much as I did back in the day then these shitty kernel anti-cheats would bother me,* now I simply don’t touch them.


    *Not a Linux problem but an anti-cheat engineering skill issue. Looking at you EA; RIP Battlefield 1.

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      or fixing X11 ASAP

      There was this one guy doing major work on X11, but while he did some good work he also submitted breaking changes, was then barred from submitting patches and in turn created an angry fork (XLibre) breaking even more important things (e.g. the whole Nvidia driver).

      That’s why we can’t have nice things. He probably turned a lot of people away who could’ve helped the project (and it also didn’t help that he was an anti-vaxer that even pissed Linus Torvalds off with his nonsense).

      Since most of the X11 devs are Wayland devs now it’s understandable they don’t want to ever go back to it anymore. They know the limitations and the horrible, ancient feature-creep of it. This talk from 2013 explains their motivations for abandoning it pretty well.

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    I miss a task manager-like shortcut to come out to the desktop and easily kill processes freezing the PC.

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        Correct me if I am wrong, if I switch away from a fullscreen application, I won’t have it available to be terminated using xkill, right?

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          In that case you would switch back… my thought is to add xkill or similar to a keybinding so it can be called without switching away from the thing.

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      Ctrl+alt+t -> xkill -> click window you want to terminate

      But yes I agree that seeing a better GUI of open programs and attached processes would be good to have.

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        I had a problem with Unity games on Steam freezing the PC due to fractional scaling. In that case not even the terminal would show up. Also, if I switch away from a fullscreen application, I won’t have it available to be terminated using xkill, right?

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          In case you haven’t tried it, you can run Steam games in native Wayland mode, and get a more stable experience. Especially with fractional scaling. There are two steps:

          1. Install a GE-Proton runner, and configure the game to use it.
          2. Set game launch options to, env DISPLAY="" PROTON_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 %command%
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            I am on Mint. For now. Anyway I am quiet quitting Steam for GOG and Heroic had no problem running Unity games with fractional scaling.

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          If you can’t see the terminal, then that’s pretty bad so idk -> if everything goes unresponsive I just slap my monitor in impotent fury and reboot

          If you can see the terminal but not the window, idk if xkill would work. Then you’d need to find the process id and kill it with pkill.

          Like say you’re playing age of empires 2: pgrep aoe (should return all running processes called aoe with their pids > process: aoe2 pid: 69420 …or something like that) then: pkill 69420 > ded

          https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/pgrep.1.html

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      A few select games, Notably Watch Dogs 2 and Fallout: New Vegas, probably because of Proton bugs, occasionally freeze my (Debian+i3wm) desktop. My computer is not frozen, but my desktop session is. I can take my smartphone and SSH into my desktop to kill the game’s process (or Steam, which will take the game with it when it dies).

      I’ve come to enjoy this process because I feel like some kinda movie hacker.

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        You should be able to switch tty to access the system directly from the pc. If you’re unaware… ctrl alt f3 will switch to another terminal where you can login and access things. Generally your default sessions is in f2 (ymmv) so ctrl alt f2 should return you to your desktop where you left off once you nuke the offending pid.

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          Yes, I am aware, but my keyboard can’t do that shortcut

          PSA Don’t buy a 60% keyboard for use with Linux…

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        How much ram you hauling? I’ve had similar issues when voices of the void sprung a memory leak in an earlier build, completely froze my desktop until I nuked it.

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          48G but that’s not it. I have plenty left over whenever it happens, and running out of memory has never frozen my desktop.

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            Shit that’s crazy. I guess the syslog might help but I know it won’t give you wine/proton logs, and I’ve not worked out how to get at those myself yet.

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      You can always come out of everything to a separate terminal, not sure how many users actually know that.

      It’s not always helpful or even very friendly, but it can save butts.

      Ctrl + Alt + F1 or …F6, sometimes even up to F8. Usually desktop is at F2. Sometimes it’s not. But you can check them any time.

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    Basically no support for CAD software. I started out on FreeCAD back in 2016 then switched to Fusion360 a few years later. I gave FreeCAD another go a little after it hit 1.0 but it still feels so clunky in comparison.

    Even though I share most of my designs, I’m not interested in the free version of OnShape where there isn’t a choice in the matter.

    I’m no professional so I could probably make due with FreeCAD but I’ll be keeping my dual boot since I have the option.

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      If you don’t mind using text-based interaction you could give OpenSCAD a try … it’s like TinkerCAD (solids and holes) but with code …

      I might be biased here because I’m a programmer by trade but I didn’t find it too hard … also mostly need boxy shapes … but still, I think it’s neat …

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    Printing.

    Windows drivers are so fancy, with previews and a billion options, while Linux gets a randomly ordered list of raw options in a drop-down menu and that’s it

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      I always liked the Linux ones over Windows. No random bullshit depending on who made the drivers, just a solid set of options.

      Could do with being prettier through.

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        I think you’re essentially right but sometimes I look at the Linux panels and wish they looked a little less…burdened with aesthetic growing pains or like…aesthetic arrested development. They don’t have to be skeuomorphic or frutiger aero or like, keep up with the Joneses, but config menus in Linux are often one of those little reminders, no matter how trivial, that this isn’t a polished product but a humble labor of love. It’s endearing. But sometimes it feels like holding a toy from the CVS when you want a Transformers from Toys R Us lol.

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      This is heavily dependent on the printer driver used.

      My bother does this until I install the CUPS PPD from brother.

      Newer process are moving to a driverless IPP model, which should help with this.

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      I had issues with Bluetooth on Windows. Been having none since I switched to Debian + KDE.

      I had a ton of issues on Arch/Artix, but Debian + KDE works as expected OOTB in terms of functionality and UI.

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        It depends HEAVILY on your chipset. I have a costco HP i bought as a backup that works seamlessly. Literally seamless at all times. Its a commodity piece of hardware. Millions of these things made.

        My bleeding edge, new machine, cuts out, audio stutters, sleep issues; you name it: looking at you mediatek.

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          If you’re technical, you might be able to change out the chipset as WiFi+Bluetooth is usually on an M.2 2230 E-key board on most machines. But agreed that it is very annoying and this isn’t feasible for most regular users

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      yeah, I have one of those bluetooth earbud pairs that can pair individually, and they connect just fine but only via a low quality audio sink mode, so it sounds like shit. Works perfectly well with my android phone, so it’s definitely some linux bullshit.

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      I bought a cheap USB Bluetooth dongle decades ago and while the interface has changed in Mint over the years, I’ve always been able to use it to communicate with my ancient flip-phone to get pictures off it. In fact I was able to use it with some very rough and ready software to pull the texts off it at one point.

      It probably also worked on Windows, because I’ve had both since before I switched.

      The phone’s camera got water damaged a while back and now all the pictures from it - not that I take many - have a literal watermark on them, but the Bluetooth still works both ways.

      Can’t vouch for whether it would work with more heavy duty hardware like a headset or speakers, but I guess it must be luck of the draw with a lot of these things.

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      Yeah BT audio quality is not reliably good on devices that work smoothly on OS X.

      I know there can be good setups, but it needs to consistently work in shared spaces, which is where i mostly use BT speakers.

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    Everything is working in my daily use. But there are still little things that pop up less regularly, mostly around hardware.

    I’ve got a USB SSD that I can’t use, because I need to “unlock” it in a windows device first. I can’t even re-partition it in linux.

    I can’t update the firmware on my monitor because it can’t simply be done with a USB stick and on screen menus, but actually requires a windows only application.

    And when I first started daily driving linux, my Nvidia GPU was a regular source of frustration, but it’s resolved now

    Every one of these problems are because of manufacturers artificially locking hardware down, but they’re still problems. One can only hope that a growing linux using consumer base will shift their priorities

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      I’m so curious about this: can you tell us the make/model of the USB SSD please? That seems so hostile!

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      Do you think the USB SSD issue could be because of the partition format? Example, Windows NTFS support can be enabled on Linux so you can then mount it. You can check partition type using a tool like fdisk -l. Perhaps that might help.

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        Nope. If it were that, I’d still be able to trash the partition.

        The issue is apparently because it’s encrypted at the drive level and can’t even mount in windows without their proprietary software unlocking it first

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          I think it’s a Self Encrypting Drive. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Self-encrypting_drives There are basically two standards out there, the most common should be OPAL:

          Install sedutil https://github.com/Drive-Trust-Alliance/sedutil/wiki/Command-Syntax Check #sedutil-cli scan This should list your drive with the locked state. You can unlock it using this tool if you remember the password - or reset it using the PSID (long number a sticker on NVMes, here possibly internal so you’ll have to open the case or read it from Samsung Drive Magician?) with the aptly named “yesIreallywanttoERASEALLmydatausingthePSID”.

          Also in Samsung Drive Magician there should be an option for “Secure Erase” - which does the same thing and removes the password protection. But not for some drives, had the issue with a EVO Pro 990 - but the OEM variant, which Drive Magician macically no longer recognizes as a Samsung drive and refuses to cooperate.

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      I’ve got a USB SSD that I can’t use, because I need to “unlock” it in a windows device first. I can’t even re-partition it in linux.

      Is this Bitlocker FDE? Have you tried using Dislocker?

      If that doesn’t work, I recommend building a gparted live USB. Once you’re up and the SSD is visible, create a new partition table

      Complete this step with no other changes. This shouldn’t care if the partitions on the disk or encrypted, it will reset the partition table which will make the disk appear blank, as if it was never formatted. You should then be able to create any new partitions you want in the available space.

      ! THIS IS DESTRUCTIVE !

      But if you couldn’t access the encrypted partition then the data was effectively destroyed already.

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        There’s no data on it, and I don’t care about the disk particularly. If I really need it at some point, I’ve got a dual boot windows PC in the lounge room that serves as a media PC for the family that I can use to unlock it.

        I bring it up mostly because it’s indicative of the hardware pain points. It’s also typical of them in that it’s annoying, relatively minor, and generally the fault of proprietary locking down, rather than a true compatibility issue.

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    Linux phones when? I personally don’t have any issues but one thing that would be nice is how to make Linux dumber and idiot proof for the average consumer

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    There are a lot of things that bother me and could be improved:

    Lacking Hardware support for Fingerprint readers: in my Lenovo Yoga 370 i could not (for gods sake) get the Fingerprint reader to work. But I gave up trying a couple years ago. So it might be working now but i don’t know. I know its not the OS fault because it is just missing key Materials and driver support from the manufacturer. But in the end I don’t care whose fault it is. It does not work, and that bothers me.

    Not easy to use TPM for LUKS: why doesn’t the installer of any distribution use the TPM module for storing the decryption key for LUKS. Or at least make it an option. They are made for that! TPM is not your enemy. Use them to help you! Better to use TPM (with exported strong recovery key) instead of having no encryption at all or a weak password.

    Proper Backup and rollback Baker info the distro: why was only Opensuse able to have an integrated solution for backup and rollback of OS changes and updates? MacOS has this since years (maybe decades…)

    No parental control features: Plesse give me things like settings usage time limits and APP access limitation for specific user accounts. I know I can somehow do this via Polkit. But this is not user friendly and too complicated for typical use cases. I am very happy that GNOME is currently working in a solution for this in GNOME 50 (Propably)

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      Lacking Hardware support for Fingerprint readers

      This annoys me as well. I rocked a ThinkPad L390 Yoga until last year. Everything worked, except the fingerprint reader. Then I got a GPD Win Max 2. Again, the fingerprint reader doesn’t work!

      At least there’s an experimental driver for the GPD device, but this is just so annoying. How hard can it be for these damn FP manufacturers to write a driver?

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      I forgot I used to use face unlock, the linux alrernative was alright but didnt use the ir sensors like windows did so linux one only worked while my room was bright, I got used to not turning my lights off at night just to swap distros and idk if itll even work on bazzite

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        Would still have to use the password or disable the wallet manager too

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          Guess I never swapped cameras, either way I hated reentering my password to open any app on first login. I did remove/disable kdewallet at the time to avoid that, not sure if that caused issue.s.

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    Unattended remote access under Wayland. I have multiple computers some headless and some with displays and I often like to remote into those from my other machines on my lan. With Xorg I used VNC. But with Wayland I have yet to find a reliable way to remote control a Wayland session without also sitting in front of the machine I’m trying to remote into.

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      I got this working for the time being by using rustdesk (even though rustdesk isn’t supported fully on Wayland but already works for me)

      Since I already had tailscale,I can even connect to devices on different networks.

      Setup one time password on rustdesk and it works eveytime.

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    This has been driving me nuts and if anyone can shed any light on it I will be eternally grateful.

    I am trying to install SketchUp Pro 2021. According to WineHQ it has a gold rating and two testers claim to have installed it without issue, but following their instructions doesn’t help.

    I am running the latest Mint with Wine 11.0. I’ve created a 64bit prefix running as Windows 8.1, installed .NET 4.8, had to manually install vcrun2017 because something has changed and the checksum fails in Winetricks. I try to install SketchUp and get Invalid Handle errors mainly to do with a KB2999286 check (Universal C Runtime update).

    So I download the KB2999286 msu and tell Winetricks to run it, but it says there’s no associated program. Maybe I need the Windows Update API? So I download that, which actually appears to be WinXP SP3 and fails to install. I’m just about ready to give up on this whole experiment. Is there something I’m clearly missing? Is the C Runtime Update hidden in a component I haven’t installed?

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        OK, I’ve managed to get around the KB2999226 problem. For anyone else that needs to know it’s install vcrun2017 x64, then install ucrtbase2019. This get you to C++ redistributable 14.28.29914

        My next issue is getting Invalid Handle errors on .NET Framework 4.5.2 Web (I have 4.5.2 installed so I don’t know what the problem is), C++ Redistributable 14.23.27820 (as above, I have a newer version installed, so not sure what’s going on here) and Language-cs, whatever that is.

        I have tried reading the documentation on winedbg to see if there’s a way to find out what exactly the installer is looking for to end up with these Invalid Handle messages, but I don’t understand half of what they’re talking about. This, in essence, is kinda the problem with switching to Linux and the barrier a lot of people are coming up against: every problem leads you down some rabbit hole of documentation and version problems that it takes hours for even a relatively tech-savvy person to figure out what’s going on. Your general lay-person doesn’t have a hope until error messages become more useful and error checking can come up with some sort of solution, like, “Hey, this installer is looking for KB2999226. Would you like me to install ucrtbase2019.dll to try getting around this problem? Yes/No”

        Anyway, I’ll keep trying since I seem to be slowly progressing, but this has taken days of time so far. It’s getting pretty ridiculous.

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          Oh my god I ran into the exact same problems but eventually gave up and used their shitty web client to do the really simple thing I was designing.

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            Well, in the end I’ve given up on 2021 Pro for now and just got SketchUp Make 2017 from archive.org. Installs and runs just fine.

            Maybe one day I’ll get back to trying again, but for now I’m just glad I don’t need to use the shitty web client.

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    Games with anti-cheat don’t work.

    Secureboot doesn’t like GRUB.

    Solidworks doesn’t run natively on linux, neither does my Sketchup Pro program.

    SteamVR doesn’t run well on linux

    What does work that I use regularly? My older DVD drives work fine, ripping my music and dvd/blu-rays works well and seamlessly with multiple instances of the programs running simultaneously. The typical FOSS stuff I use is a no-brainer, from Gimp to Blender to Libreoffice.

    But for the stuff I work with most and the games I play most often? It just doesn’t work well or at all.

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    Trouble alt+tabbing out of games in mint + cinnamon from fullscreen windowed and fullscreen. I can switch to other open windows easily, but what I can’t do is click my sound manager shortcut in the taskbar to change audio devices, etc. So I have to open up the sound management application to make the changes. The desired behavior is to alt tab back to the desktop environment where the application being switched to is.

    Trouble with specific windows only appliations that I can’t get to work in wine/bottles. One I need to update my car’s infotainment system and it’s a huge pain in the ass. Trouble with weird .dll and font issues that are seemingly unresolvable, even once placing the relevant dlls and fonts in the right folders. Not linux’s fault, just shitty software design. But still difficult.

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      I solve the alt tab game issue by having multiple desktops. I bind them to Alt + 1, Alt + 2, etc. Instead of alt tabbing, I just switch to another desktop. It’s not a perfect solution, but it works for me.

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          I love multi desktop in Mint. It’s frustrating because it works so much better in Mint than it does in Windows (which I have to use for work)

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      Trouble with specific windows only applications that I can’t get to work in wine/bottles.

      Yeah, I’m afraid this will forever be an issue for me. There’s no real Linux replacement for After Effects, and Adobe’s not gonna step up.

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      Different distros have different bells and whistles. Mint is a long term stable distro, but comes with a dated feel. Which is great for some. I’ve used it for about a year.