• Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip
    37·
    17 days ago

    as a person who uses a framework 16, and deals with returned lease laptops as a job, people are overstating how “durable” thinkpads are.

    of course image of course is a joke, but thinkpads advatage isnt necessarily durability, but how cheap replacement parts are because of how many are leased and eventually returned.

    frameworks friction is cost and availability, but strength is ease of repair. lenovos is part availability and cost.

      • greybeard@feddit.onlineEnglish
        26·
        17 days ago

        Not the one you were replying to, but I’m answering you from a Framework 13. It’s the best laptop I’ve owned. It’s solid, runs well, is theoretically repairable without having to buy used equipment off ebay, and runs Linux quite well. I’ve put a few distros on it, and they’ve all just worked, even the finger print reader.

        It’s certainly not the best price for performance, but I like the build quality, and it let me bring my own RAM and NVME, which really helped close the price gap.

        • felbane@lemmy.world
          14·
          17 days ago

          and it let me bring my own RAM and NVME, which really helped close the price gap.

          not any more 😭

        • ElBarto@piefed.socialEnglish
          5·
          17 days ago

          Thanks! It’s interesting to hear folks say that other machines are as powerful and less expensive. The irony is, they’re less expensive because they have everything soldered on and designed to be eventual e-waste more quickly.

      • meh@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        103·
        17 days ago

        they’re fine. im not throwing out my first get 13" but im also not upgrading it. i’ll use it till it dies and replace it like any other laptop*. it turned out to be a perfectly fine device. i knew going in i was spending extra for the chance it’d be my “last laptop” that’d be periodically upgraded. it’s definitely fallen short in daily use. decent enough computer that i dont regret having tried it. but i’d stopped suggesting framework to people long before we found out they’re a bunch of assholes.

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        6·
        17 days ago

        I have a Framework 16, and love it. However, it’s probably the priciest bit of tech I’ve ever purchased (partially my fault for trying to make it as “future proof” as possible while building it).

        Great hardware for Linux too, it’s wonderful to never have to worry if your hardware will work or not. Bazzite even has an OS image specifically for Framework hardware.

        I was running a little low on space last year so I bought a 1tb expansion drive. Took about 30 seconds to install. Didn’t even have to turn the laptop off to do it.

      • Egonallanon@feddit.uk
        5·
        17 days ago

        I’ve had a 12 for a few months now and its a nice low powered, low weight, light use travel machine. Runs pretty nice with kubuntu on it.Generally all around fine though not spectacular a very 5-6/10 machine though that’s all I really need from it. Very expensive for what it is though.

      • ozymandias117@lemmy.worldEnglish
        51·
        17 days ago

        My only problems with the Framework 13 are:

        • the 3:2 aspect ratio is really nice on the host, but getting VMs to display correctly is hard
        • The magnetic bezel is too much fun to play with. I grab at it while thinking, and have broken the plastic from taking it off and on thousands of times
        • The interchangeable USB ports don’t lock well on the 13. If the HDMI cable is tight, I pull the whole adapter out. (I believe they changed the locking mechanism on the 16)
        • The hinges for the display aren’t that strong, even the new ones. They’re acceptable, but moving the laptop w/ it at certain angles, it will fall open to 180°

        It’s still my favorite laptop I’ve owned

  • boredsquirrel (he)@slrpnk.net
    15·
    17 days ago

    Tbh the T470/80 seems to be one of the last real Thiccpad series.

    I had one in my backpack and slipped on ice, fell straight on my back. Laptop didnt have any issues

  • andioop@programming.devEnglish
    6·
    17 days ago

    Going to be an interesting thread to follow as someone who wants a Framework for the repairability. And friends recommending it; and honestly in a world where social media is probably flooded with astroturfed comments instead of real experience, and review sites are ones I highly doubt actually touched or bothered with the products, I am gonna trust word of mouth. But I can be convinced into reconsidering (price, performance I can get out of a laptop, and the Hyperland/Omarchy thing).

    my general consideration points for purchasing

    General points

    • Typing this from a MacBook as someone who likes the look and thinness of it a lot, and appreciates the “boring gray color scheme” because neutrals will always go with my outfit.
    • I see the interchangeable ports as a bonus.
    • Any of them, including the weakest possible take-home configuration for the 12, would be a performance upgrade over my current Linux laptop (HP laptop I got for around $249ish).
    • I particularly like the upgradeable storage.
    • Would be buying DIY and loading some Linux distro on it.

    Model-specific

    • 12 inch would be great for me if it were not for the color accuracy and me wanting to use it to do a bit of digital art that involves color. And Linux not supporting the sheet music reader I like. Or having any sheet music reader at all as far as I am aware—dedicated sheet music readers as opposed to just PDF readers tend to have nice features like letting you jump back to a specific page without needing to go in and edit the whole PDF file, and setting up setlists of sheet music you can quickly and easily flick through. But being able to totally replace my iPad and my current Linux laptop would be so nice. Putting one foot out of the Apple ecosystem for principles and “what if they start making more changes I don’t like and I’m stuck,” and consolidating two devices into one.
    • 13 inch is better on accuracy but loses the stylus support, so no more art, and having a stylus is really helpful on sheet music annotation for me. Would handle my games better too. Although I don’t really play things requiring great performance, never play multiplayer requiring high ping or kernel-level anticheat, and I have pretty good tolerance for low frames per second, I do have a feeling 12 inch would fail to handle anything but the most super lightweight games.
    • 16 inch is a total nonstarter. Too big. I like portability.
    • SinTan1729@programming.devEnglish
      5·
      17 days ago

      I would highly recommend the Framework 13. I’ve had it for a bit more than a year now. The only problem I’ve faced was that the WiFi card was a bit unstable in EndeavourOS. But that was fixed by replacing wpa_supplicant with iwd. (I hear that it was only an issue for the AMD version, and that it’s fixed now.) Battery life is fine for me. I limit charging at 70%, and that usually lasts me the whole day.

      I love how Linux friendly it is. On my last laptop (an HP), it was pretty much impossible to upgrade the BIOS from inside Linux. Now it’s trivial. There’s also good support available when you face issues. (Both from Framework, and community members.) The hardware is pretty nice. I actually like how it’s MacBook-like, because it just looks nice in most settings. It’s portable too, I really hope they don’t make it bulkier like some folks here seem to demand.

  • Mesa@programming.dev
    5·
    17 days ago

    The T14’s trackpoint created a pressure spot on my screen simply from being closed. I traveled with it only a handful of times, and when I did, I had it in a light bag with hardly anything else in it. Yes, I need a laptop carry case, but regardless, this really should not be an issue.

    I’ve since put a felt pad between my screen and keyboard for when I close it, but that should not be something I have to do with a $1200 laptop.

    Otherwise, it’s been great.

    • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.worldOP
      1·
      17 days ago

      I got an upgraded L440, judging from your context, you got a ThinPad, which are not as good as the older ThiccPads, of which the L440 is a part of.

      • Mesa@programming.dev
        1·
        16 days ago

        I would’ve liked to have gotten one of the bulkier ones, and if I had foreseen this being an issue, I would’ve waited.

  • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
    73·
    17 days ago

    Last time I checked for the price of a Framework I would be able to buy 2 comparable Slimbooks. I don’t know what sense does it make to buy an upgradable laptop if replacing one after couple of years will cost the same. Is it just about reducing e-waste? I still have to do something with old framework parts and I think reusing an old laptop would be easier.

    • Honytawk@feddit.nl
      4·
      17 days ago

      But why would you be replacing them when you can upgrade?

      If the lifetime of the device is twice as long, you already made a profit.

      • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
        21·
        17 days ago

        What I’m saying is that if Slimbook costs 1.5k and Framework costs 3k it’s still cheaper for me to buy 2 Slimbooks over 10 years than to buy one Framework and use it for 10 years with an upgrade in the middle. What’s the benefit of upgrading here?

  • Mwa@thelemmy.clubEnglish
    3·
    17 days ago

    my comment on Linux laptops mentioned in the meme:
    for Thinkpads are nice but you have to buy a older/used thinkpad for the reasons why people like it and i want to use AARCH64/ARM64(i still think RISC-V is in its infancy personally) due to its power efficiency
    for Framework they dont sell it in my Country

    lots of yapping about my idea for laptop(or cyber-deck) if your interested click here am not sure if this the right place to put this info

    tbh i would rather make a DIY secondary “Laptop” for Linux and this is my idea

    • the pc itself: Raspberry PI 5 8GB Ram(CPU,Ram,etc is not upgradable though storage is upgradable either via NVME HAT or SD cards though i wish they opted for USBC Video instead of Micro HDMI,while the CPU isnt the fastest its fine for my needs) mainly i love its power efficiency (5v 3a,prob cause of ARM SOC) and it has a WI-FI and Bluetooth chip
    • screen: portable raspberry pi 16 inch monitor with usbc power input
    • PSU: a powerbank that can output atleast 5V 3A both USB C AND USB A for both screen and the pi itself perferably one that can count how much charge it has (ik 5V and 5A are recommended its harder to find power banks for that)
    • Case(optional maybe?): either a toolbox(needs drilling) or pizza box(like that one meme,easy to cut throughq but its not durable or none ig
    • keyboard and mouse: either current keyboard/mouse am using on my main pc or a portable keyboard/touchpad(but every portable kb and touchpad i find are bluetooth )
    • OS: Armbian Linux(while the pi can run Windows it lacks drivers,i also opted for Armbian because i want Gnome like on my main PC)
      Laptop purpose: backup PC/server
  • Noxy@pawb.socialEnglish
    2·
    16 days ago

    I’ve had a few ThinkPads T14s (AMD gen 1 and also gen 2 - one personal, one for work), and a Framework 16 (personal).

    I am much happier now with an HP laptop (zbook ultra g1a) than I ever was with either. Framework build quality and reliability are horrible, and ThinkPads have the absolute worst imaginable displays