• boonhet@sopuli.xyz
      442·
      2 months ago

      Hell, Mac OS is even a certified UNIX operating system, something that even Linux (or GNU+Linux) can’t say.

      It’s still a non-FOSS OS which is the real reason it sucks, but it’s a lot better than a lot of people seem to think. Whereas Windows just plain sucks on a usability level too, not just the licensing.

      • harsh3466@lemmy.ml
        422·
        2 months ago

        I read a deep dive into the macos “certified UNIX” thing and it’s a scam. I dont remember the details but the certification is obtained only through a set of testing exceptions. The macos used by people is not the macos that is Unix certified.

        As a former macos user (2013-2024ish), macos has become IMO a very user hostile experience. It’s not quite as bad as windows, but macos is not the “user friendly, it (mostly) just works and gets out of your way” os it used to be.

        I’m full time Linux now and when I have to use macos or windows I cannot believe how user hostile they both are.

        Linux is far from perfect, but at least I control my system/os.

        • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
          4·
          2 months ago

          The macos used by people is not the macos that is Unix certified.

          Could be that they certified the Darwin kernel, but not the commercial offering?

        • Naloxone@lemmy.world
          2·
          2 months ago

          Oh hey. You’re me! I’ve historically been a very loyal Mac user who played with Linux here and there, but I’ve been full time Linux for the past few two years.

          • harsh3466@lemmy.ml
            2·
            2 months ago

            Sibling from another mother! Tried it a few times over the years here and there just like you, until going full time.

            Also got a full homelab going and have been learning python.

        • Leon@pawb.socialEnglish
          1·
          2 months ago

          As a former macos user (2013-2024ish), macos has become IMO a very user hostile experience.

          I haven’t really used Mac OS since Mountain Lion, so that makes me sad to hear, but I’m not really surprised.

      • bryndos@fedia.io
        11·
        2 months ago

        However good it is and however many certificates it has i personally agree with the dogshit classification. It won’t install on any of about 8 computers in my house, including one I bought from apple. Literally unusable to me for the last 10ish years. Windows would probably install on one or two of them I think, so I’ll give it a few hypothetical points for usability for that.

    • olympicyes@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      2 months ago

      Kali Linux as Chad OS suggests this list is as much meme as truth so I wouldn’t worry about the rankings.

    • Digit@lemmy.wtfEnglish
      1·
      2 months ago

      Both got the deal with the devil clauses in their end user agreements, right? That’s bad enough it does not even matter who’s better or worse after that. That’s already bad enough to not be fit to use.

    • nil@piefed.caEnglish
      13·
      2 months ago

      Well it was. It’s got a major update recently which ruined everything. Still better than Windows tho xD

    • SirActionSack@aussie.zoneEnglish
      105·
      2 months ago

      MacOS has no reason to exist.

      If you are ok running corporate software just use windows with its huge array of software and compatibility with pretty much everything.

      If you want to be cool and different and have problems with software and hardware compatibility run Linux.

      MacOS is the Porsche Panamera of operating systems. People just have it because it matches their 911/iThing

        • Delilah (She/Her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          81·
          2 months ago

          Arch is high skill floor high skill ceiling. Once you get good you can do really cool things with it. GNU/Herd is high skill floor low skill ceiling. If you’re really good and practice really hard, eventually you’ll be able to do things that could have been easier achieved with literally anything else.

      • furry toaster@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        6·
        2 months ago

        yes in a vm, specificly Debian GNU/hurd, works suprisingly, main issues is lack of hardware support, for usage as a vm guest, I would say it is already better than half of the BSDs

        • Digit@lemmy.wtfEnglish
          1·
          2 months ago

          Similar experience.

          Except, props to the BSDs (especially OpenBSD), for being so much more coherent systems, as perhaps seen best (or at least easiest) in its man pages.

        • Digit@lemmy.wtfEnglish
          2·
          2 months ago

          It’s kinda part of the original point… to make a complete free software operating system…

          Still, was nice that the Linux kernel came along to make things easier than the more advanced approach Hurd was taking.

          Linux Libre + GNU, and got the point of GNU none the less. :)

    • otacon239@lemmy.world
      622·
      2 months ago

      On top of that, putting it below Windows? This is clearly someone who’s never used one or thinks gaming is the only thing you do on a computer. I’m all for Linux and use it in several places, but it has nothing on MacOS polish. Sure, it’s not perfect, but it’s a far cry from ChromeOS or Windows 11.

      • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
        3·
        2 months ago

        I’m all for Linux and use it in several places, but it has nothing on MacOS polish.

        Literally why I prefer a Macbook for work and a Linux desktop for gaming. The former just works with a little bit of setup (brew), the latter allows for infinite tinkering and customizability.

  • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    26·
    2 months ago

    Guys, MacOS isn’t everybody’s taste, especially now. But it does do what it’s trying to do. Windows isn’t succeeding at anything it’s trying to do.

      • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        I haven’t coded in years and wanted to pick up python finally. I’m using ChatGPT to demonstrate all the wrong answers to problems and I have to admit it’s a great learning tool for an unexpected reason.

        It is productively wrong. All the time. But by screwing with it I can learn why things do or do not work. It does not give me an answer direct but instead guides me through all the possible ways to screw things up and I can learn from that.

        I haven’t coded since C++ and Java in high school outside some arduino shit I did for a bit in between and chatGPT has been great and bringing those skills back from cold storage in my brain.

        But as far as put in question, get response it’s obviously terrible.

        This kind of demonstrates the bigger problem though. Business majors are making decisions and not engineers. And business majors are fucking stupid outside their element.

  • morphite88@thelemmy.clubEnglish
    22·
    2 months ago

    After I realized Ubuntu and Mint (the two distros I used the most) are both based on Debian, I switched to Debian with KDE Plasma. I don’t know why I never tried it before and I’m never going back.

    • Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
      181·
      2 months ago

      The reason you’ve never tried it before is probably that they only recently made an effort to make it palatable for the average nerd. It always had a bit of a reputation of being not easy to work with.

      • bus_factor@lemmy.world
        12·
        2 months ago

        It’s been fine for the average nerd for a couple decades. The installer has been mostly unchanged since 2005 or so, and I don’t see much difference in an installed system either. I think you can live boot it ahead of installation now, maybe that’s a big deal to some people?

      • Digit@lemmy.wtfEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        And an old reputation for hiding their ISO downloads buried deep in the website.

    • hardcoreufo@lemmy.world
      41·
      2 months ago

      Yup that was me a few years ago. Its no longer the mid 2000s and stock debian can do pretty much anything right out the gate.

    • grue@lemmy.world
      12·
      2 months ago

      My typical Linux installation workflow:

      1. Attempt to install Debian.
      2. It doesn’t work because the kernel is too old to support my new hardware (even though it’s not always that new).
      3. Rather than trying to fix it, just install Kubuntu instead.

      Failing to have graphics drivers for my gaming PC with a GPU I bought the day it launched is one thing, but Debian also failed to have WiFi drivers for the cheap N100 NUCs I bought for my kids the other day – with wifi hardware that’d been out for multiple years at this point – and that’s just ridiculous.

      Kubuntu annoys me with Snaps, but it also Just Works in a way Debian unfortunately doesn’t.

  • okaylub@lemmy.world
    17·
    2 months ago

    Doesn’t have Hannah Montana Linux on the list so we know this guys opinion is trash smh

  • Creegz@lemmy.world
    143·
    2 months ago

    I don’t understand the hate for MacOS or Ubuntu frankly. Windows was fine until they stopped making “features” opt in. Fedora has been toying with adding AI, and my experiences with Arch have been subpar for my needs. I’m kinda at the point in my life where I don’t care as long as the OS works. They’re all so similar at the end of the day, they help me do the websites, work tools and vidya gaems.

  • somethingDotExe@lemmy.world
    121·
    2 months ago

    I hope Windows 11 becomes microsofts death (and ofc the fact that their previous ceo liked to fuck children)