I don’t know how people can maintain their suspension of disbelief at this point.
How do people still not see that, as horrendous as a child rape ring is, that’s just the tip of the iceberg. It’s just an entertaining diversion for these people, whose day job is running the imperial core.
I think it’s really hard for people to accept that everything they believed in is basically wrong. They don’t live in a democracy, they don’t have a voice, they can’t vote their way out of the hole they’re in. That’s a hard pill to swallow for the crowd that convinced itself that they just need to vote harder and everything will be alright.
Yeah, I remember a while back I introduced a friend to some simple basic facts about capitalism and it just made him really sad to the point of passivity and not wanting to learn any more. I guess my approach was wrong at the time. I have more success now, but I’m not sure what I do differently. Maybe contradictions have just increased.
I find when you are trying to educate people you know, you kind of have to learn how the person thinks and then tailor the message in terms that will likely resonate with them based on their own values. How you express an idea tends to matter as much as the idea itself.
I’m worried about the implications that the child sex ring was a honeypot that was supported by multiple intelligence agencies. My understanding is that Maxwell has ties to Mossad and the US government clearly had knowledge of this shit for decades, yet the few investigations went nowhere. Is it simply because the perpetrators were wealthy and influential? Or was it because the whole operation was viewed as an important intelligence asset? In addition to funding the bombing of schools and refugee camps, are my tax dollars also funding a child sex trafficking rings?
There is a world of room between “good” and “ran a child sex trafficking ring”. Clinton may be a POS for many reasons and he may have visited Epstine island and maybe even raped children (we don’t know at this point but anyone in the flight logs is sus). That is all absolutely terrible but it’s still very different than kidnapping 10’s or hundreds of children to rape and pimp. And the files seem to indicate that Trump was actively involved in this scheme for decades.
Also, alll those people in the files that were in active contact with Epstein after it was public knowlegde he was a child molester deserve no respect and should be investigated as well.
Yeah, the Clintons have done absolutely terrible things. I would never claim otherwise. I don’t remember the Clinton administration very well but I don’t doubt that he’s a war criminal.
The meme claims that Bill was “keeping child sex slaves” and that isn’t supported by any evidence that I’ve seen.
Everyone involved should get investigated and tried for any and all crimes.
Everyone involved should get investigated and tried for any and all crimes.
Indeed they should, but they won’t, because they’re above the law. They shouldn’t be above the law, but they objectively are. What you’re seeing isn’t some rare exception, it’s a peek behind the curtain of how the United States is actually run, and it’s nothing like how it’s supposed to work on paper.
That’s kinda the point I was making. The meme says “these guys kept child sex slaves”. Someone responds that Clinton didn’t have the same level of involvement as Trump and Epstein. Someone else responded “they want to believe their guy is good”. My response is basically “saying that he isn’t a pimp isn’t saying that he’s good”.
There are different levels of evil. All should be dealt with. Maybe the worst (the pimps, traffickers, ringleaders and financiers) should get priority, especially if they pose a greater threat to everyone else? Pointing that out is in no way excusing the lesser evil.
I haven’t seen anyone in this thread saying anything positive about Clinton. At most, a few folks have pointed out that we haven’t seen any rape accusations against Clinton in the files. I doubt that you’ll find anyone here who doesn’t want this whole mess properly investigated and for all of the guilty parties to get appropriate punishment.
I feel like I could have this same argument with a Trump supporter:
Trumpie: “Well, Clinton’s in the files too”
Me: ”I haven’t seen anyone tangible accusations, but if he committed crimes then lock him up”
T: “You just want to defend your guy”
Me: “Um, I really don’t. And please refrain from calling him ’my guy’”
I haven’t seen anyone in this thread saying anything positive about Clinton.
I’ve seen a lot of proactive defense of him from the same people who demanded unquestioning worship of the second worst genocide supporter. This is the same garbage.
Yeah there is a difference between the pimp and the john.
And i still think Clinton should go to prison if he had sex with girls or trafficked women.
But that’s not nearly at the level of punishment I think is fit for Trump , Epstein (assuming he’s still alive) , maxwell, and all the others who raped children and engaged in violence and torture with them. And of course the men who funded Epstein’s enterprise. And shielded him.
I also think any women who helped him deserves pretty bad punishment. You can be a victim and a predator. So their own victimizing doesn’t get them off.
They broke an even more sacred pact between women.
Women believe other women can be trusted. We always have each other. We always look out for each other. Especially from a man trying to hurt us. We warn each other.
Women need this. We depend on it.
But they used this against girls and other women to lure them into danger.
What? None of them are good. Arrest and charge them all. That’s one big difference, left doesn’t really give a fuck, charge them ALL. The cult will never admit to mistakes by their orange leader, it’s double and triple down, distract, lie, distract, lie more, on and on. Orange leader can do no wrong in their eyes. Anyone with empathy and 3 brain cells says lock them ALL up, NOW, no matter the “side”.
It’s closer to “cancer is worse than HIV”, but that’s not a terrible analogy. While obviously neither is great, cancer is typically much more difficult to manage. HIV is a single virus which is much easier to mitigate, to the point that with modern treatment most people can live a pretty normal life, while cancer is a whole class of diseases for which treatment is much less reliable and much more invasive.
Trump is worse to americans because he gives them a small taste of what ALL their oligarchs do to the rest of the world all the time.
AFAIC that makes him better.
Clinton was a corrupt mass-murdering scumbag, same as his psycho ghoul wife.
And even on the perversions I doubt Clinton is less bad.
Got away with a rape already in university, in between that and Lewinsky I bet there’s plenty of unreported abuse.
Give me one good objective reason for your statement.
lol, libs want to cling to the idea that their oligarchs are the good ones so badly
I don’t know how people can maintain their suspension of disbelief at this point.
How do people still not see that, as horrendous as a child rape ring is, that’s just the tip of the iceberg. It’s just an entertaining diversion for these people, whose day job is running the imperial core.
I think it’s really hard for people to accept that everything they believed in is basically wrong. They don’t live in a democracy, they don’t have a voice, they can’t vote their way out of the hole they’re in. That’s a hard pill to swallow for the crowd that convinced itself that they just need to vote harder and everything will be alright.
Yeah, I remember a while back I introduced a friend to some simple basic facts about capitalism and it just made him really sad to the point of passivity and not wanting to learn any more. I guess my approach was wrong at the time. I have more success now, but I’m not sure what I do differently. Maybe contradictions have just increased.
I find when you are trying to educate people you know, you kind of have to learn how the person thinks and then tailor the message in terms that will likely resonate with them based on their own values. How you express an idea tends to matter as much as the idea itself.
I’m worried about the implications that the child sex ring was a honeypot that was supported by multiple intelligence agencies. My understanding is that Maxwell has ties to Mossad and the US government clearly had knowledge of this shit for decades, yet the few investigations went nowhere. Is it simply because the perpetrators were wealthy and influential? Or was it because the whole operation was viewed as an important intelligence asset? In addition to funding the bombing of schools and refugee camps, are my tax dollars also funding a child sex trafficking rings?
If you’re in the mood for yet another mindfuck today, your federal taxes don’t actually pay for anything. Previously.
For liberals, and right wing in general, it’s just another Red Team vs. Blue Team match with political flavor.
their cult can do no wrong.
so fanatic they want to defend this pedo.
As if mass-murdering wasn’t enough.
There is a world of room between “good” and “ran a child sex trafficking ring”. Clinton may be a POS for many reasons and he may have visited Epstine island and maybe even raped children (we don’t know at this point but anyone in the flight logs is sus). That is all absolutely terrible but it’s still very different than kidnapping 10’s or hundreds of children to rape and pimp. And the files seem to indicate that Trump was actively involved in this scheme for decades.
Seems to me that once you reach raping children stages there’s no need to split hairs further.
Yes, a thousand times yes.
Also, alll those people in the files that were in active contact with Epstein after it was public knowlegde he was a child molester deserve no respect and should be investigated as well.
Fair. I do think scale is sometime important. A single murder is not a genocide. But I can see your POV.
Regardless, Clinton is awful but IDK what he did on the island. If he did rape kids then I hope they throw his ass in jail.
Yeah, the clinton wing of the party would never support just one murder.
I want a worse fate for him if so, however, I don’t want it to be a distraction from the existing Pedo in Chief and their ilk.
I swear, it’s impossible to parody lesser-evilists because you’re all self-parodies at this point.
Both Clintons are in the Epstein files hundreds of times. They also both happen to be war criminals.
Yeah, the Clintons have done absolutely terrible things. I would never claim otherwise. I don’t remember the Clinton administration very well but I don’t doubt that he’s a war criminal.
The meme claims that Bill was “keeping child sex slaves” and that isn’t supported by any evidence that I’ve seen.
Everyone involved should get investigated and tried for any and all crimes.
Indeed they should, but they won’t, because they’re above the law. They shouldn’t be above the law, but they objectively are. What you’re seeing isn’t some rare exception, it’s a peek behind the curtain of how the United States is actually run, and it’s nothing like how it’s supposed to work on paper.
You don’t need to defend the lesser evil just because it’s lesser.
Pretend they’re comedians. Pretend you’re comparing Louis CK to Bill Cosby. You don’t need to defend CK just because Cosby is worse.
We keep being told to not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. There is no good on offer. Just varying levels of reprehensible shit.
That’s kinda the point I was making. The meme says “these guys kept child sex slaves”. Someone responds that Clinton didn’t have the same level of involvement as Trump and Epstein. Someone else responded “they want to believe their guy is good”. My response is basically “saying that he isn’t a pimp isn’t saying that he’s good”.
There are different levels of evil. All should be dealt with. Maybe the worst (the pimps, traffickers, ringleaders and financiers) should get priority, especially if they pose a greater threat to everyone else? Pointing that out is in no way excusing the lesser evil.
I haven’t seen anyone in this thread saying anything positive about Clinton. At most, a few folks have pointed out that we haven’t seen any rape accusations against Clinton in the files. I doubt that you’ll find anyone here who doesn’t want this whole mess properly investigated and for all of the guilty parties to get appropriate punishment.
I feel like I could have this same argument with a Trump supporter: Trumpie: “Well, Clinton’s in the files too” Me: ”I haven’t seen anyone tangible accusations, but if he committed crimes then lock him up” T: “You just want to defend your guy” Me: “Um, I really don’t. And please refrain from calling him ’my guy’”
I’ve seen a lot of proactive defense of him from the same people who demanded unquestioning worship of the second worst genocide supporter. This is the same garbage.
Step back and realise that you’re trying to quibble about levels of evil between child rapists.
But their oligarch can’t be bad!
Yeah there is a difference between the pimp and the john.
And i still think Clinton should go to prison if he had sex with girls or trafficked women.
But that’s not nearly at the level of punishment I think is fit for Trump , Epstein (assuming he’s still alive) , maxwell, and all the others who raped children and engaged in violence and torture with them. And of course the men who funded Epstein’s enterprise. And shielded him.
I also think any women who helped him deserves pretty bad punishment. You can be a victim and a predator. So their own victimizing doesn’t get them off.
They broke an even more sacred pact between women.
Women believe other women can be trusted. We always have each other. We always look out for each other. Especially from a man trying to hurt us. We warn each other.
Women need this. We depend on it.
But they used this against girls and other women to lure them into danger.
Unforgivable.
Agreed. 100%
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What? None of them are good. Arrest and charge them all. That’s one big difference, left doesn’t really give a fuck, charge them ALL. The cult will never admit to mistakes by their orange leader, it’s double and triple down, distract, lie, distract, lie more, on and on. Orange leader can do no wrong in their eyes. Anyone with empathy and 3 brain cells says lock them ALL up, NOW, no matter the “side”.
did you read the comment I replied to, also liberals are not the left
The good ones? You know there’s a difference between “This oligarch is good” and “Both oligarchs are bad, but one is substantially worse”, right?
Liberals show no sign whatsoever that they believe the latter instead of the former.
But please keep being condescending when people don’t like your oligarch.
It’s like saying cancer is worse than AIDS.
It’s closer to “cancer is worse than HIV”, but that’s not a terrible analogy. While obviously neither is great, cancer is typically much more difficult to manage. HIV is a single virus which is much easier to mitigate, to the point that with modern treatment most people can live a pretty normal life, while cancer is a whole class of diseases for which treatment is much less reliable and much more invasive.
Trump is worse to americans because he gives them a small taste of what ALL their oligarchs do to the rest of the world all the time.
AFAIC that makes him better.
Clinton was a corrupt mass-murdering scumbag, same as his psycho ghoul wife.
And even on the perversions I doubt Clinton is less bad.
Got away with a rape already in university, in between that and Lewinsky I bet there’s plenty of unreported abuse.
Give me one good objective reason for your statement.