Having such a big influencer as Pewds shout out selfhosting, ad blocking and general privacy improvements is a huge win, no matter what your opinion is of him.
I’m always open to somebody’s redemption arc, even if I dislike them. The great thing about people is that we are capable of growth, even if not all of us always grow in the right direction, we always can.
What redemption? Where are his fediverse channels at?
…one step at a time, dude. This kind of thinking just serves to make perfect the enemy of good.
It takes 2 minutes to create an account on the fediverse, they are not interested in that, they are on youtube for the profits.
they [have a job] for [money].
Maybe us too, to be fair
Thay may not even be aware of the fediverse for all we know, lmao
I’ll be sure to tell them how easy it is, if I enter run into them…
It is true, I think so too. I never really watched any of his content, his racist and toxic comments in the past make it hard to recommend it to anyone, but his two or three tech videos were decent for a normie targeting normies. In total, he is big enough, that I think its a net profit for the cause.
his racist and toxic comments in the past make it hard to recommend it to anyone
He mended his ways, and didn’t do it again. What else do you want him to do, to atone for his sins?
What concerns me is the implicit association people will make between him and FOSS, and anything they believe about one will carry to the other.
I have to assume there are already people who hear “Linux” and think “ugh, I wouldn’t touch that with a 10ft pole because I don’t want anything to do with Pewdiepie”. Similarly, if he says something dumb next week, and half his audience abandons him, they’ll likely have a negative outlook on FOSS going forward.
Either way, I don’t believe FOSS’ staying power comes from meteoric rises following a fad, it comes from a natural immunity to enshittification over time. On the scale of a few of decades, FOSS seems like it’s struggling against proprietary solutions. But just like the general concept of political democracy, I think on the scale of centuries it will become the clear, time-tested, least-bad option. But I digress.
If they are at that level of critical thinking they would not have survived Linux anyway so, idc.
Eh, don’t worry about it. If people are seeking out Linux for their own valid reasons, they’ll take what they need and leave what they don’t.
it comes from a natural immunity to enshittification over time.
ugh, tell me that if this bullshit with systemd and age verification isn’t true.
It’s already solved: FOSS means I can always fork/build my own package that does what I want. That’s why I mean it’s immune.
And having a youtube video on lemmy frontpage is a huge ad for google and a missed opportunity for an open alternative to become more popular
Do you get enough oxygen in that large intestine you live in?
Take the win and move on.
Dunno about “huge ad” exactly… There arent that many of us here lol.
Not huge maybe but for what i care a big smack in the face to this open source and decentralized platform.
He helped usher in this new enshittification. He was the Trojan horse. First one to reach a million
you think he has influence over youtube’s business model decisions?
You think not having total control of an organization means he’s free of blame. Would you say that your MAGA uncle doesn’t control Trump so isn’t responsible for his actions.
Pewdiepie is literally called an influencer. He warped what many young people belief they can become today and that belief is what ushered in a world of influencers chasing the all mighty dollar. That has given all these corporations fuel to create content and that content is stealing our data, eliminating data scarcity and used to influence politics.
He’s not the cause of it but he was an inflection point and could have went in a different direction to push kids to reject this new paradigm. Instead he was the face of it.
You think not having total control of an organization means he’s free of blame
I don’t, that’s something you made up about me in your head. I think that YouTube’s business execs would always lead it to where we are now.
He warped what many young people belief they can become today and that belief is what ushered in a world of influencers chasing the all mighty dollar
He made gameplay videos. I think that’s the most benign form of “influencing” there can be. I think there are much more damaging channels that had way more sway in shaping this new generation.
Again, I’m not saying he’s a saint but I do think he’s ultimately insignificant when looking at the causes of and reasoning behind youtube’s enshittification. And I don’t think he would ever go a different direction, just doesn’t seem like the type.
He laid the groundwork for those shitty influencer. He had the attention of young people who looked up to him. The minute they saw he could make millions by becoming the walking embodiment of a Nascar fender he set the attitudes and aspirations of a generation.
Would YouTube continue without him? Yes of course.
Could he have pushed back and created helped influence a generation of kids to reject the selling out of themselves to this influencer culture? Absolutely.
There were a few influencers in those early days that could have changed things or at least maintained the zeitgeist that we had then. Nobody did. That money was too good. Everything after he made that first million would change how the internet worked.
He was the inflection point. He could have impacted everything going forward. He could have told kids that these companies were stealing their data. That they were soliciting gamers to use as Trojan horses for what would eventually make everything worse.
To call him the inflection point, as if this wasn’t a more complex change emerging over time, is ridiculous. You are clearly speaking from an outside perspective. He has never come close to flashing his wealth or showing a ‘lifestyle’, anything that has came definitively after his peak. The influencer issue was also far more complex. Instagram was the central breeding ground for those types, and twitter was still conversationally relevant.
Even if he was the inflection point, what now? You expect someone at the center of things to realize their unique position, and then realize the most morally correct thing (to you) to do about it? Patently ridiculous, hindsight is 20/20 when it comes to larger cultural movements like influencers.
Calling pewdiepie an influencer shows how little you understand that sphere. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
What is an influencer?
Since you said I’m wrong, what is the inflection point that I’m describing?
Did I say he flashed his wealth?
I do expect people to be aware of their impact, directly and indirectly, especially on kids. The more people you can potentially impact, the greater the responsibility to be aware.
Is data collection, exploiting children to sell products, and the consequences of profit-seeking something that we weren’t aware of at the time PewDiePie became famous?
I agree PewDiePie didn’t sell things to children. He didn’t need to. He was the product. I’m against commercial pressure on the internet, which seems like a radical concept now. PewDiePie didn’t need to hawk products to kids i know he did a good job with that. But he was the product. He was the point at which kids saw they could become a gamer and help commercial sites collect people’s attention and sell it to advertisers. That model is what broke everything. It turned the internet into cable television 2.0.
We already had corporate-approved media that was just a way to sell our attention. The internet, for a brief moment, was something for us. It was as close to a gift economy as we could get. It was the difference between a lawn sprayed with glyphosate to kill anything that wasn’t good old American Texas bluegrass devoid of originality, beauty, or color but looking neat and a lawn allowed to grow wild, full of weeds but also flowers, plants, and life.
PewDiePie wouldn’t have been the only one to make money, but he was the first to hit that milestone, and everything changed after that.
A win for who? Sounds like he will deter some people and attract others based on whether they think checks notes anti-Semitism is a deal breaker. Jesus Christ this is pathetic.
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I think he’s a tool, but credit where it’s due: it’s great that he’s supporting the movement, and he does have a huge following.
Maybe he’s the right tool for the job
I don’t think he’s as dumb as he seems in some videos. His persona and mannerisms are very much a pan-Scandinavian thing. To me it’s a throwback to the early 00’s, when we filled our brains with plenty of Jackass, Blink 182 and Eric Cartman.
His Filthy Frank/Pink Guy aping years are definitely evident of that lol, beastmaster64 swimming into the sea to catch a Pokemon made for some funny moments.
I totally missed him being a Youtube jackoff and only watched my first Pewdiepie video last year when he was degoogling. Because I was doing that as well. Then saw his Linux video and that made me realise Linux was for me.
So while people might think he’s some sort of douche, to me he’s just fucking brilliant! So funny and smart, and really wants to help people escape from the awful internet we have now, where everything is sucking up your data. He gives great advice on how to do that and does it in such a funny way.
People keep mentioning his redemption arc lol, but i’ve just seen the great stuff so for me, abs love his stuff! Highly recommended!
Best thing for Linux, having such a huge Youtuber praising it so much!
Well he’s 36 now. Think he’s realized that it’d be cringe to behave like a teenager for much longer and his original fans are all adults now anyway, so he’s decided to aim his new videos at them rather than getting new teenage fans. Put it this way, he had 100 million subscribers 7 years ago, he has 110 million now. One has to assume his average subscriber age has risen a lot in recent years.
Honestly great that this is how it’s gone. I find him way more relatable now than when his fame was at peak.
I like that you like him now… But i don’t think the main reason he’s become cool now is due to him… not wanting to be cringe lol.
Obv yeah the audience n he grew but it sorta takes agency away from him by knowing its all bullshit haha. Like yes, he’s a huge YouTube star but he’s also now huge advocate of privacy, security and mental health.
He’s not just doing this cos he doesnt wanna be cringe.
Honestly, cringe was an oversimplification in the first place on my behalf. My take is that he’s realized that he can either keep doing what he did for over a decade (put out cringe content, which would be even more cringe as he reaches 40 soon), or he can actually do something useful with the reach he has, and be someone his son can actually be proud of. And he went with the latter, over the easy money of the former.
Okay yeah, thats a more accurate picture.
I honestly think im glad i missed his cringe douche phase. I actually hate that whole influencer youtube bullshit.
But he really is not like those twats now lol
There’s some irony in that sponsor block has to block four segments of the video.
I don’t think there’s any irony in people trying to make money with their work. And I’d much much MUCH rather have them insert multiple sponsors in a video that I can just skip over than worry about ads and their constant tracking.
Self-hosting is a literal addiction. lol
I started with just an invidious instance and now I have my own audiobooks app that I’m also turning into a navidrome client. Did I say jellyfin and pihole, too?It really is 😅
I never thought that I’d want to spend my Saturdays fiddling with servers, but here I am
I’m curious, is self-hosting invidious even worth it? Youtube can still see every video you pull through, right, and now it’s linked to a static ip address associated with you?
I do it for iPhone and iPad for my wife (and me occasionally when I use an iPad) to watch YouTube since the official app is riddled with ads and a browser isn’t a good experience for her. She’s been loving Yattee.
Hmm, I might look into that for getting YT on Apple TV without having to tolerate All Of The Adverts. Currently I manually download using yt-dlp and put them in a Jellyfin folder.
Invidious is certainly worth it, even though you lose live feeds at the moment. You can even remove comments and trending. If you want to subscribe to a channel, you can do it without YouTube.
6€ a month for a VPS with self-hosted VPN :) I run all my self-hosted applications on my laptop but run it all through my VPS
Yeah I started my journey with an old laptop but I found the precariousness of it all too stressful, always in more fear I’m gonna lose my photo library so just stuck with the cloud in the end. Nice knowing it’s there for when I need it
Fully understand that. I still pay google $10 a month for 2TB storage for that reason alone.
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Damn. That’s a lot of money. I actually didn’t spend anything on the hardware. I have a friend who gave me a dell optiplex he was about to throw away and a 2 bay Synology NAS with 8TB storage already on it when he upgraded. Been using them for 3 years now. The optiplex now runs Debian server, and the SynNAS is mounted to it as a mass storage for my stuff.
The people hating on him clearly haven’t seen much of his content lately. He’s grown up and has his life together pretty well now. If you think nobody is deserving of a second chance then you do you, nobody is forcing you to watch his content. I honestly love his redemption arc and I’ve watched some of his content lately and really enjoyed it. And good for him that he likes self hosting and is doing all these pc DIY projects.
he dint really accept his/or dealt with the consequences, he merely fled to japan to avoid and waited til all the drama died down, he mostly isnt on a redeeming arc, everyone just forgot about him.
he dint really accept his/or dealt with the consequences,
- He publically apologized for it (no ukulele though, which is how you know it’s a fake apology)
- He didn’t do it again
What else would you want him to do?
And what consequences are you specifically talking about?
Are the videos with Shapiro and the one recommending Paterson book online?
Over the years I think I care less about some public apology or statement to accept that a creator has moved past old behavior (I assume you’re talking about the bridge, I don’t really follow PewDiePie).
We see too many fake apologies and if it’s been some time, apologizing just gives an opportunity for viewers to dogpile when someone is trying to move past something.
I think if it’s been a few years and he’s clearly shown to have grown past it, that’s enough for me. You never really know what a content creator’s private beliefs are just how they choose to use their public persona.
People moved on long before he moved to Japan, or at least most people, there are still some that hate him for a mistake he made many years ago.
People can change and grow up and deserve second changes, I grew up racist just because of my environment, but as I got older I grew out of that and saw that it’s wrong and hurts and divides people.
Am I also unremarkable because of what I used to be like before my brain was fully formed?
I’ve never seen piewdiepie before his Linux journey. What did he do and what consequences does he deserve?
He did/said a bunch of racist shit in videos/streams.
In 2019 someone livestreamed themself committing a hate-crime/mass shooting, killing 51 Muslim people in New Zealand. The shooter began his livestream with “subscribe to Pewdiepie!”
That seemed to be a rude awakening for Pewdiepie, and I believe that he’s stopped with the racist shit.
Someone also defaced a holocaust memorial, but that just tangential, he was an integral part of the alt-right pipeline radicalizing normies
What racist things did Pewdiepie do/ say himself though? I don’t think it’s fair to attribute someone using his name to commit terrorism to him.
Similarly the guy who shot trump was wearing a demolitionranch shirt.
He’d use the N-word, and make “jokes” like paying people to make a sign that said “death to all Jews”.
I assume that he was trying to be edgy, but it was a little too far.
I love everything he has been doing recently. He is a master of story telling and goes surprisingly far into solving technology challenges, while keeping it fun and real. What an amazing transformation really
He did already have a background vocationally in this space so it wasn’t a transformation from nothing. Great stuff nonetheless!
I don’t understand what’s going on with this redemption arc
Neither do I, but I’m all for it
I block minuses too
pewdiepie is one of the modern celebraties that it kinda annoys me that I recognize the name. I feel like if I had not been a nerd and somehow I knew who captain kirk was even though I did not like sci fi. if I was not a nerd. I certainly like sci fi and know who captain kirk is.
Same I recognized his name but had never watched one of his videos, tried this one because of its content and could only get through about 2 minutes, maybe it got better but holy cow was that annoying. Not my style I guess.
Good on him for this. I started self-hosting a couple years back, so my “tech fence” is already fairly complete, with a few glaring omissions, still a WIP.
I do wish he got someone to provide links to guides or wiki pages, but I understand that making people go out and search for things is also important, even if it’s a simple task to search on google/github for open source projects.
Wasn’t his n*zi prank and all his racist shit who began the youtube downhill ?
I genuine asking, i’m not from u.s. and never watched a single video from him in all my life, i only knew him from have the youtube channel with most suscribers and the clip on PUBG bridge.
You can say Nazi. Self censorship doesn’t help anyone other than advertisers
How does self censorship help advertisers?
Self censorship makes a platform more attractive to an advertiser
I don’t understand the mechanism. I could see a benefit for an advertiser if there was self censorship for criticising that advertiser, but what is the connection between that and self censorship for the word nazi? Or is it another mechanism?
Advertisers don’t want to be viewed next to or adjacent to “problematic” content. Hence no swearing in the first 5 or so minutes in a YouTube video (right after add have played), self censoring words like cunt and suicide so algorithms don’t deprioritise you (again, because platforms make money from ads, so they won’t promote videos that aren’t as friendly).
It’s all in the service to appease advertisers, and they require platforms to roll out the red carpet wherever they tread.
Why the fuck are you censoring Nazi. You can say fucking Nazi online. You can say fuck if you want to.
Why the FUCK are you bowing to the corpo overlords.
The censoring increases engagement
Fuck this reality. >:(
Yeah. He had that moment, but that’s ages ago. Give it a break, dude.
why did you censor nazi
He’s not from the US either. But yeah, he’s an unapologetic lunatic. Nice for him to be on the right side of something with his large audience though.
Not sure why is he lunatic, but he definitely apologised for and acknowledged what he’s done multiple times
yea thats why he fled to JAPAN for like 5+years, and then he sorta of trying to come back through his vlogs, im guessing his family vlog channel wasnt enough so he pivoted to this in tech(looking for the next grift), he definitely misses that fame and money. yea he fled to japan avoid his consequences of being anti-semitic, if you fled to another country where the drama doesnt reach you, it means you dint learn your lesson.
its the same as the asian influencers i used to follow that fled to FACEBOOK to avoid controversy(mysogyny and MAGAT-Y) on reddit, where they can control the narrative better.
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Love Pewds :D
I have no idea who this guy is. I’ve seen his name float around on the internet but never knew what he did.
