(I’m just trying to learn. No hidden mockery in this and this is no gotcha bs aimed at t women. I’m NOT transphobic. Just saw this in a debate and wanted to know other people’s thoughts)
I just want to know:
- Is this factually correct?
- If it is, does it matter? Why or why not?
- How would you logically respond to this?
- How does this statement not contradict with Trans Women are Women
Biological sex (male, female, intersex) refers to the physical aspects of your body, such as primary sex characteristics (reproductive organs), secondary sex characteristics (body hair, breasts, fat distribution, etc), hormone levels (estrogen, testosterone), and chromosomes.
Gender (man, woman, nonbinary, other terms) is more about an internal sense of self, how you see yourself and how you want your body to be, as well as what social category you belong in.
A trans woman is a person who was biologically male at birth, but sees herself as a woman/wants her body to align with her gender (woman). Not all trans women medically transition, and that’s ok, but for those who do, it can change various aspects of their biological sex, such as hormone levels and secondary sex characteristics, so it may not be entirely true to say that trans women (post transition) are biologically male either.
I was really scared to ask this question lol. But I needed to know. Thank you so much. That about sums it up.
This!
It’s extremely
hairymessy to define biological sex. Whoever wants to argue has a middle school level understanding of biology, refuse to learn and completely ignores the science.See

It’s extremely hairy to define biological sex.
Doubly so after puberty.

It’s extremely hairy to define biological sex.
Ermm… What is that sentence dude?
In this context, “hairy” can mean “tricky” or “difficult”.
Alr lol
Fixed… -w-
“You’re biologically a loser lmao”
Got 'em lmao
Are eunuchs biologically agender?
Are intersex people with chimerism or cryptorchidism biologically two genders at once?
Are women who have had hysterectomies biologically male?
The answer to all of the above is, and I say this with all the respect in the world, a resounding ‘no.’
Thank you so much.
They meant DNA not organs intact
there are many types of chromosomes outside of xy and xx. and they are about as common as being trans. shit, its fairly common for karyotype tests to come back with only an x for people past a certain age, a lot of people lose their second sex chromosome over time. this would make many people have an unverifiable ‘birth sex’ beyond just what is physically in their pants
even if i did have an xy chromosome (i dont even know if i do) being biologically male or female is nebulous. “biological men” dont have big feminine tits and estrogen in them for decades, but i do. so at minimum i am something not phenotypically or biologically male or female despite identifying as a trans woman
I was only explaining what they meant, not conjecture. There’s like 40+ DNA xy type variants…there’s an info graphic somewhere. Biology DNA would also be different than phenotype oresented.
DNA isn’t perfect either though. It’s possible to be AMAB with XX chromosomes and AFAB with XY chromosomes (both still having the “correct” fully functional organs for their assigned gender). Some intersex people can also have multiple sets of DNA, some being XX and some being XY.
Neatly fitting all cases of biology into 2 categories like that is basically impossible anyway regardless of how you do it. “Biologically male/female” is basically impossible to define without also excluding some people that were born into each category. They’re fundamentally useless terms that don’t actually convey anything meaningful…
There’s an info graphic somewhere with like 40+ variants and how they manifest
1: Yes. 2: Not really. It’s more about self image and social presentation. 3: Best response I have is, “And?” Covers a lot of bases. 4: Same way you get any title like Doctor, or Fam, you need to be accepted into the community by peers, and not necessarily universally.
Yep
In general, please don’t ask loaded, third-rail questions on !asklemmy@lemmy.ml, because
- it’s a PITA for mods, and
- that’s not what the community is for:. It’s supposed to be a clone of r/askreddit.
please don’t ask loaded, third-rail questions
never heard of these; what are they?
Because this feels like a loaded statement, I’d respond like this: Biology makes mistakes. Biology is fallible. To frame this about biology is not sufficiently complex to address the issue.
- Talk to experts.
- The initial statement seems to me is that of a culture warrior, not a curious mind. Therefore it doesn’t matter to me.
- Compassion doesn’t require logic. But if you want sonething slightly logical: I don’t understand quantum physics either. I’m reliably informed it exists. Me being unable to grasp the uncertainty principle leaves me feeling uneasy and frustrated. Others may feel in a comparable way about gender identity. It’s okay to admit that you don’t get it. I don’t fully understand it either. It’s not okay to be an asshole about it.
- Apples to rotten pears.
There was a famous physicist. Maybe Einstein or Feynman who said to the effect “anyone who claims to understand quantum mechanics most certainly does not”
Removed by mod
It’s nuts that posts like these get removed.
God bless the modlog.
It would depend on the context. The response depends on who is asking, their openness to learn and the reason for the statement. In isolation, it appears inflammatory rather than factual. It can be both.
Edit: forgot point 3
There are many different perspectives on this. I subscribe to the old Judith Butler perspective that sex=gender and they are both a social construct.
- No, biological gender is not in the sphere of facts. Chromosomes, genitalia, hormones and biology in general are in the realm of facts. Lumping them together into the category “sex” is social construction and not scientific (at least not part of natural science).
- I don’t think it is.
- See above.
- Trans women are simply women who were not designated as such at birth. No need to mix in biology. Therefore no contradiction.
Thanks
I want to add that the phrase “biological male/female” is often used for othering trans people. I know no useful purpose for the term and I suggest you avoid using it too.
Yes. After all, all this is argument is only about words and lacking terminology.
Don’t debate with idiots. They drag you down at their level and beat you with experience. - Mark Twain
Seriously, complex question usually requires complex answers, the type that doesn’t fit in a 10 words meme. If I learned anything, it’s that you won’t convinced people who don’t care about the truth. People won’t change their mind unless they are personally affected by something. They don’t deserve the tolerance they refuse to others.
Depends on who’s saying it. For most people it’s just not worth saying anything. Anything you say goes in one ear and out the other
If they seem like they’re asking in good faith or I just want to practice my rhetoric, I’ll ask what they mean by “biologically male.” Chromosomally, maybe. Hormonally? Maybe not. Breast cancer doesn’t care about your chromosomes.
Yeah, biology is a fucking mess is the thing. I happen to be aware of a medical condition a woman can have where they literally have male chromosomes but completely female sexual characteristics.
I believe that this is some specific case of hermaphrodity you have described. I know cases when people can have undeveloped or even partially developed organs of other sex and don’t even know about them until a doctor finds it during a random body scan or surgery.
Swyer syndrome is why I said “chromosomally, maybe.” XY chromosomes, and some level of female development, sometimes to the point of being able to have children
(My opinion)
- Yes it is factually correct, but it’s not an argument
- maybe matters (what bathroom do they use I have no idea)
- I would say they are correct but it doesn’t prove anything about trans people being invalid (trans people are valid af, having the courage to change your gender is something I couldn’t imagine)
- There is a difference between gender and sex. Sex is your biology, gender is what you identify as. Your sex can be male while your gender being female.
I want to be clear I’m not queer this is just what I have learnt in school (crazy our school actually teaches us about this), I could be wrong.
crazy our school actually teaches us about this
W school
Why respond to it. If someone’s already recognised someone as a trans woman what’s the problem
breaking their nose
Incorrect approach. This action would actually lower you intellectually over them. And will create 2 possible outcomes. A: person will start lawfully acting in self defense and will attack you back. B: person will call the police on you and for them only your aggressive actions will matter. Both are not good for you. More correct approaches would be to either ignore a person or engage in discussion.










