We had something like this in our philosophy class.
“Don’t be surprised that people still Stan for capitalism”
Will you bite the hand that feeds you? Will you stay down on your knees? I have found you can find happiness in slavery
Yes these are Nine Inch Nails lyrics, they slap. Op needs to do a lot more drugs
if you don’t find that kind of life worth living, stop supporting the system. if you support a system that enables you to use drugs and listen to really old music, then i guess you find it worth living for.
Maybe it’s all the drugs (did more than enough, long ago) but I’m genuinely unsure what you’re trying to say. It doesn’t take a lot of institutional support to get high and listen to music, I get a vague sense you think I’m supporting something and find that hypocritical. Care to elaborate?
No, i’m just saying that you’re executing the cycle op is talked about either way. Up to you to do what you want with that.
How would you respond to a system you currently depend on that you recognize needs to change?
That’s for you to answer for yourself.
The original statement is a framework, or a formula like a+b=c. You define what kind of life is “worthwhile” and what the “system” is. You plug in your own values. If a system doesn’t align with the life you want - whether you’re coerced into it or not - you don’t have to support it. The logic is about your agency. If you’re stuck in a system you didn’t choose, the question is: What can you do to change your situation? What kind of a sub-system can you adopt? The statement doesn’t demand loyalty. It’s about recognizing what truly supports the life you want and acting on that - whether that means surrendering, adapting, resisting, or leaving. It’s always about your judgment.
I obviously reject the original framing and was really hoping to hear your answer. That a system supports a life you find worthwhile does not mean it is inherently worth supporting.
That a system supports a life you find worthwhile does not mean it is inherently worth supporting.
That’s not the claim made in op. Op makes exactly 0 claims on what kind of life one SHOULD think is worthwhile, or what kind of system SHOULD be. The point is that it’s on the reader to figure out for themselves. Again, you input your own values into the framework.
You define what kind of life is worthwhile.
You support a system that you KNOW enables it.
It would NOT make sense to NOT support a system that enables it.
How many weeds did you inject?
Aliens?
If “Because I said so” was a person.
It makes sense to tolerate it. Not necessarily support it.
Then you’re finding it worthwhile to support a system that allows for you to merely tolerate it
Counterargument: it makes sense to support whatever system would create the best life for everyone, rather than just creating good experiences for you while others are forced to struggle and suffer, because you aren’t a selfish arsehole.
Another version: it makes sense to support whatever system creates the most good for everyone AND is most stable, because the countless future generations matter far more than you.
it makes sense to support whatever system would create the best life for everyone,
That’s your value and you can use OP’s formula to act accordingly. But you can’t force other people to adopt your values, that would be tyranny (and also kinda impossible). Not that I disagree with you but that’s not a counterargument, you’re just expressing how YOU would apply the formula OP presented.
Nah…
I know a couple kids that were abandoned by their parents when their cult left the country, because the cult would have faced scrutiny taking all the kids.
Those kids grew up, and started a cult.
It’s a “benevolent” cult, and from what I know pretty easy going and actually work thru things…
But all the guys who started it, grew up in a cult. It’s what they know, it’s normal to them.
They legitimately don’t understand why some people freak out about it. And they call it some weird cult-speak term instead of “cult” like that King of the Hill joke. But it’s 100% a cult.
Are they hurting anything?
No
But they’d have been a lot better off going to therapy and recommending it to people that need it than starting a cult.
The “system” they knew was cults, and that’s not a good system to actually help people.
OP didn’t say it was good or bad. Just that it makes sense for them because they thought it was what they like.
That’s not what “makes sense” means tho…
If you’re out of gas, it “makes sense” to go to a gas station and get gas, that fixes the problem
If your parents beat you, it doesn’t “make sense” to beat your own kids because that’s what you think a normal home life is. You’re still doing something illogical, and it’s not fixing anything.
We can understand why past experiences and trauma make someone make the choices they do, but that doesn’t mean it “makes sense”.
Fuck man, I understand what trump does a lot of the stupid shit he does, that doesn’t mean it “makes sense” just that I can follow his illogical reasoning.
Same with those people who started a cult.
The “makes sense” in the op means that from the perspective of the doer, it makes sense. OP is not saying that it’s “objectively beneficial to all humans”.
It’s a description of how people make choices.
Maybe that’s how they meant it…
Maybe that’s how you interpreted it…
Lots of people also think vaccines cause autism, and when they say it, they mean it. It doesn’t mean they’re right, it just means they’re willing to put effort in defending their erroneous position.
Someone replying over and over till the other person gives up, doesn’t mean they’re right. Often it just means the other person gave up explaining and likely blocked them.
Makes sense for me to interpret what OP said in that way because I find logic and reading comprehension worthwhile for life.
This guy always blocks everyone that shows him he’s wrong about something.
Cult is just a word for small religions. Jesus started a cult and people don’t judge him for it anymore.
