• Iconoclast@feddit.uk
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    3 minutes ago

    I was trying to think how much I’d be willing to pay for that. I wouldn’t outright reject eveen a few thousand euro offer.

    • M137@lemmy.today
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      Not more than it is now, it’s just such a huge amount of time that smaller creatures have had to find themselves in those situations. Some thousands to 250 million years ago is a loooooong time for bugs and other critters to end up as amber fossils.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    6 hours ago

    It was absolutely not trapped alive for 30,000,000 years…

    It got stuck in tree sap, and it died, and 30,000,000 years later it’s dead body is still in there.

    It’s also wasn’t some instant snapshot of a moment, it most likely got stuck and then slowly covered until it could no longer breathe.

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      4 hours ago

      It was probably upside down when the sap flowed over it. It’s antennae are completely vertical and would have been carried in the direction of the sap. Probably suffocated pretty quick, though it’s elevated forelimbs might have allowed it to struggle to breathe briefly as it was consumed by sap.

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      4 hours ago

      Real question: if the amber prevents the mantis from decaying, and its cells are still intact, is it actually dead? Do we know that for sure?

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        3 hours ago

        Real answer: yes, it’s as dead as anyone can be. 2 seconds after your death, your body isn’t decaying yet, but that doesn’t make you alive. Bodies kept in the freezers didn’t decay but still, are not alive at all.

        If the mantis didn’t suffocate somehow, it would die of hunger or old age.

        • errer@lemmy.world
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          3 hours ago

          I guess the question is, what distinguishes a “dead” cell from a “live” one if it is not in decay? What makes this Mantis impossible to revive?

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            2 hours ago

            What makes this Mantis impossible to revive?

            Same reason CPR works right after someone drowns but not after they’ve been underwater a week…

            You see, every cell has a “powerhouse” that turns stuff, including oxygen, into energy.

            They keep a store of oxygen and food in every cell, respiration removes the waste and delivers resources.

            Cut off respiration, and things start to shut down. Higher order systems first, and individual cells last.

            That’s why sometimes CPR works, but it took so long that the brain was deprived of oxygen and suffers damage. Everything was deprived of oxygen, but the most complicated shit needs the most and runs out first.

            An insect can be “brought back” after a much longer time than a human without problems, but there’s still a clock before each cell runs out of “on hand” resources and die. Whether or not decay happens after is completely separate.

            For the absolutely most basic things like virus or bacteria, or even water bears, they’ve adapted to be able to spring back after a long time, sometimes thousands or tens of thousands of years…

            But a mantis is just too complicated. Especially after 30 million years.

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            2 hours ago

            All that makes reviving any dead animal impossible plus much more.

            The amber only protects the outer layer, I would assume that everything inside is already a dried pulp (but I am guessing).

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            Most of the proteins within the cell would denature over (a fairly short) time, which means all the cell functions would fail. The cell membranes would also rupture and dissolve or rot eventually. Only the hard keratin exoskeleton would remain reasonably intact.

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        Yeah…

        Insects breathe thru oxygen exchange thru skin.

        You cover up all their skin in amber, they suffocate just like when a kid doesn’t poke holes in a jar lid.

        Because there’s no oxygen, the bacteria also dies and no decay happens.

        It’s the same as a peat bog corpse. There’s no life, it’s just with the complete absence of life there’s no decay. And the amber seals in moisture so there’s no dessication either.

        Now on the flips side:

        It’s not immediate. An old “jail house magic trick” is catch a live fly, put it in a bottle of water, and wait till the mark agrees it’s dead. The bet/grift is you can bring it back to life.

        And you can, by rolling it in salt for a few seconds, it will get up and fly away.

        You have seconds to bring it back, less than a minute

        Much, much shorter than 30,000,000 years, that mantis ain’t coming back.

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          4 hours ago

          they suffocate just like when a kid doesn’t poke holes in a jar lid.

          That shouldn’t be up to the kid, it should be up to whoever captured the kid and put them in a jar.

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    7 hours ago

    My god 30 million years, trapped in amber, alive? What madness lies behind those eyes? Can we only pray he never escapes his prison?

  • T00l_shed@lemmy.world
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    5 hours ago

    Hey guys, I think i found a solution to the slug, fuck the titanium sphere, this evidently works better

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    4 hours ago

    Can we use science to revive them?

    Think of the questions we could ask!

    Also, let it fight Baki.

  • uninvitedguest@piefed.ca
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    5 hours ago

    Sold for $6,000 10 years ago? That seems incredibly cheap, not that I am versed in fossilized amber collection.

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      Many fossils are remarkably affordable, if that’s your thing. I’ve seriously considered buying a megalodon tooth.

      You still need to be the kind of person who can spend a few thousand on something largely decorative or of novelty value. But hey, some people buy custom forged battle-ready swords, and some buy designer purses, so you know, whatever.