• nibbler@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    7·
    8 hours ago

    You’re mixing two population averages, so you need a weighted calculation.

    Let’s approximate first: France has about 67 million people out of roughly 447 million in the European Union, so ≈15% French and 85% non-French.

    We set up:

    Overall EU rate = weighted average 1.7=0.15⋅8+0.85⋅x

    Solve:

    1.7=1.2+0.85x 0.5=0.85x x≈0.59

    So, among non-French Europeans, the rate is roughly 0.6 per 100,000.

    That’s substantially lower than both the French rate (8) and the EU average (1.7), which makes sense given how high the French figure is relative to the rest. Also this is pretty much what I read for Vietnam in this chart.

    thanks France, for ruining our numbers!

    • atopi@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      3·
      4 hours ago

      it says Europe though, not the European Union

      if you click the question mark near the Europe statistic, it says it also includes countries like Russia and the UK which mess with the statistic a lot

  • merdaverse@lemmy.worldOP
    11·
    10 hours ago

    I see that some people try to attribute this to older population and/or Alzheimer, but even by those metrics the countries above are pretty close and wouldn’t justify such a big gap:

    As for the reliability of data, it’s from a peer reviewed study by an American university. If they had a way to make the China data look worse, I’m sure they wouldn’t hesitate.

    • ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.world
      5·
      10 hours ago

      You wouldn’t expect more (or less) primary causes if more secondary causes were reported in multifactorial deaths. I’d imagine the fact that in the US CMS adopted ICD-10 in 2015 and the rapid rise after would make that obvious enough. Unless you believe there’s some pre-COVID etiology for malnutrition that explains the jump I’m not seeing.

  • ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.world
    512·
    14 hours ago

    Be aware, very old people die from this as a secondary cause from a primary of Alzheimer’s and other dementias. They just stop eating. It’s a misleading statistic to use to identify poverty based malnutrition. It’s a very common diagnosis in terminal patients. And the way US billing works, getting the most diagnosis codes recorded is important for reimbursement. It’s likely the cause for this disparity.

    Edit: yeah 2015 is when ICD-10 adoption and cms billing changes went into play. And then the rate quadrupled. This is an artifact of the US’s dumb private/public insurance model for end of life as more people gamed the system for reimbursement. The spread of billing practices over time.

    • Dessalines@lemmy.ml
      294·
      11 hours ago

      Data from authoritarian countries is less reliable

      Part of the ideology of white-supremacy, is that proximity to whiteness means trustworthiness and authenticity, and distance from it means untrustworthiness.

      So white supremacists think only the western countries (and their allies like South Korea, Japan, and other US military base countries) data and educational institutions can be trusted, while the numbers coming from any country opposed to them must inherently be a lie.

    • m532@lemmy.ml
      232·
      12 hours ago

      “Data from authoritarian countries is less reliable”

      Uh-oh.

      Please tell me, which countries/peninsulae on the graph are authoritarian, and which are not.

        • GiorgioPerlasca@lemmy.ml
          51·
          9 hours ago

          Also being white is a weird definition. The Chinese, Mongolian, Korean, Japanese have a very white color of skin. Slavic people too have a white skin. But in both cases, they are not considered white.

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
      193·
      12 hours ago

      Regarding point 1, this is relatively true.

      Regarding point 2, all of these states are “authoritarian,” the difference being which class has authority, and which classes has authority imposed upon them. Cuba, the PRC, and Vietnam are all socialist countries with the working class in charge of the state, while France, Europe, and the US are all imperialist countries/regions where capitalists control the state and impose their authoritarian rule upon the working classes.

      Regarding point 3, this could be a possible explanation but requires actual backing.

      Regarding point 4, it’s important to compare not just systems dogmatically, but against peers, and what came before. Germany, the UK, Austria, etc. are all imperialist countries, and thus have greater access to resources. It matters both how much resources you have, and what you do with them. Socialist countries have more pro-social policy that stretches resources farther.

      In total, it certainly is propaganda in that it’s trying to convey a specific point for a specific aim, just like your comment can be considered propaganda. You offer some decent ideas of how to improve the data, but you also insert your own biases without backing them up, and run into metaphysical errors regarding how these are compared (such as ignoring levels of development and imperialism).

  • Juice@midwest.social
    32·
    7 hours ago

    When they counted, they counted hundreds of thousands! We didn’t count therefore the number is zero, well done! The good and simple people of Starvation Land can sleep easy knowing that no one ever starves in Starvation Land

    /s

    • m532@lemmy.ml
      4·
      10 hours ago

      Usian nationalists might soon be telling each other this story, to feel less hungry…

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
      19·
      13 hours ago

      How exactly is this cherry-picking? Communists wanting everyone to have food and be taken care of are entirely different from capitalists that want to suck the surplus value out of every worker. Horseshoe theory is wrong.