Just a hunch, but it’s not performance why peeps are migrating away from windows
The performance boost is just the icing on the cake
Windows could run twice as fast and I still wouldn’t switch back to it.
Good news if you’re on a nvidia gpu then 🫠
I migrated because I was frustrated with having to constantly fix problems caused by forced updates. I didn’t expect the benefit of my computer being WAY faster.
My biggest “wow” was when I could hit the super key and have the start menu open immediately instead of waiting 4 minutes for it to load in and another 20 minutes to take my search input and give me back results from Bing.
Sorry you didn’t like Bing, but now we have set Edge as your default browser, you’ll love it. Also Teams is now installed on your PC, surprise!
Teams? You mean Copilot Remote Friends?
Hotkeys related thing that got me is the fact that on almost any DE you can configure your own hotkeys the way you want them, you don’t have to use the ones Microslop thought are good. Using three languages, layout switching was an absolute pain with what hotkeys Windows has to offer.
If it took that long, then you might’ve accidentally installed your os on a harddrive
I wish.
It was the same Samsung 970 NVME that I’m using right now lol.
Windows 8 on a hard drive was 1000x worse. I made the mistake of upgrading my laptop back in the day from 7 to 8, and it would just sit at 100% disk IO at idle.
But just in case, on the SSD it actually would take anywhere from several seconds to a full 15 before the start menu decided to load.
XFCE, WF-Shell, KDE, and the many dmenu clones are all instant.
Nobody is going to say what the real problem is unless they want to get fired
They can’t. The people working on complaints are in a different department. And departments don’t communicate at Microsoft.
That’s an understatement
Just 1 more AI data centre?
Lightly squeezes AI bubble a few times
“Yeah, there’s room for one more.”
Can’t wait to see how the fediverse grows when all these datacenters have to liquidate their stock for dirt cheap
Homelab community will get a lot more activity XD
the windows file explorer and terminal have horrible performance, it’s one of the reasons I’ll never switch back
lol. They’re not going to reduce the bloat in their OS.
But they have gaming mode that disables a lot of it
They only spy on you most of the time!
lol, just kidding, that part doesn’t turn off
How do you manually enable it? Otherwise you are spreading lies and bullshit
Press the xbox button, under settings, “enable game mode”.
It’s been a thing for years.
Win + G if you don’t have an XBox controller connected to your PC, like I presume most people probably don’t.
Thank you for the reply, and please accept my sincere apologies for sounding so aggressive in my previous reply
Oh, well you’re welcome. Having mode is pretty useful for me so I’m glad you got it up and running. It’s not perfect but it does suspend a lot of background shit.
Lol it’s true
It’s wild that they recognized that software compiled for their own operating system goes faster through an interpreter on a different operating system
Whats really fun about this is Valve started investing in Linux because a bunch of changes Microsoft made to windows 8 signaled they were moving to a locked-down ecosystem to bully corporations like Valve out of the market.
The current state of Windows is a product of MS’s blind greed but the current state of the viable alternatives is, in some ways, also a product of MS’s greed.
Its funny because Valve doesn’t need SteamOS to compete with Windows. They made it to enable playing more games, so you buy more games. If MS matches performance with Windows, Valve still wins, because its just another avenue for people to buy more games. They don’t care what OS you do it on. But MS does care, because they need you on Windows to eat up your data. Which also means they’re at a disadvantage in competing on performance as well, because they need your games to play as well as they do on SteamOS while also enabling all their bullshit background services and telemetry.
Valve also needed to break its dependency on Windows, in case MS decides to go down the walled garden route like Apple. MS making the windows store the only supported way to install apps and games would be devastating for Valve.
Besides the data collection angle, Microsoft wants gamers on Windows instead of Linux so that there’s at least a chance they’ll buy games from the Microsoft Store.
Windows Update will also be improved, with the goal of making Windows 11 reliable enough so that a restart is only necessary once a month.
This isn’t just a matter of Windows 11 reliability, it’ll take big improvements in Microsoft’s quality control to stop needing to follow the monthly updates with emergency patches and hotfixes.
Right now they are:
it’s patch Tuesday!!!1!1!!! We MUST release immediately an update or the users will revolt!!
But Sir, preliminary testing says that it has a 80% bricking chance with full data loss, can we postpone it?
PUSH. IT. NOW. Force the install and make sure to reboot all the computers during the working hours, bonus if you force close all the opened apps without saving
They arent going to improve the quality they’ve just added the ability to do the patches via hotpatch and not require a restart. Still gonna be same quality of slop
Linux gaming went from good luck to Windows is taking notes. That’s a pretty wild timeline.
And it all started with a guy wanting to see sexy android ass on Linux
So we can also say indirectly that Steam Deck wouldn’t have happened without the horniness of Yoko Taro who created that android ass in the first place.
What a chain of causality that is
This is how art changes the world for the better
If anything has been a driver of human ingenuity, it’s the horny
Wait what lol
Are you judging him?
yes. I judge it as pretty neat
For gaming, Microsoft views steamOS as the benchmark, and is working to optimize the platform so that steamOS and Windows gaming performance are comparable. Within the next year or two, it believes that Windows will be able to truly compete head-to-head with steamOS in gaming performance on identical hardware due to foundational changes that are being made to the platform in the coming months.
Doubt.
i bet the “foundational changes” are all vibecoded
Competition is good and the more Windows tries to meet this promise, the more Linux gets exposure.
Do “foundational changes” mean they will play games on WSL hoping the “hyperV, WSL(inux), proton, game, WSLg (Wayland)” chain will have less slowdown than the “Windows, game, directX” route?
At least if they do it performance will stay on par with SteamOS as long as hyperV doesn’t bloat too much.
get ventoy, start trying
Unrelated but the ventoy usb I keep on me really helped me today after a ram stick decided to die and corrupt my system along with it
Add a HIREN boot USB to your toolkit too.
Edit: shit, just add the iso to ventoy, 🙄😂
CachyOS for gaming PCs, Debian for browsing laptops
Cachy is great
I have Linux on my personal computer and Windows on my work laptop. Best of both worlds. Linux is currently a very nice 0 stress experience for gaming/casual stuff. With Proton, gaming on Linux is nearly as viable as on Windows.
Yeah, as soon as you come to the conclusion that it’s worth not playing league, battlefield, apex legends etc it’s a no brainer now
Everyone should try it once.
Some games have better performance running under wine on Linux than natively on Windows.
On the flip side, I couldn’t get Linux native Jackbox to run because the devs failed to update it to support something (Wayland maybe, IDK was troubleshooting mid Xmas party).
Ended up installing the Windows version in Proton.
That’s a story old as Linux. Native shit stops working. Thankfully wine/Proton is there to keep it functional
Hm. I wonder if still will become a problem in the future if we get more Linux native games. We shit on Windows for not playing old games when wine can, but if a game stops functioning moving from x11 to Wayland (or some other dependency) will there be people there to care enough to fix it? Although I would assume it would be an easier fix for Linux than Windows for when it does.
it will always be a problem with native games.
I think it was about 5 years ago, the Terraria team Linux dev left. Something happened that stopped the Linux build launching, and the native version was not playable until they got a new Linux dev in the team. Proton version worked flawlessly with more stable framerate.
As far as I know the native Undertale build is still unplayable. If it is working now, well it wasn’t for about 6 years.
I see people get excited about native game builds, that’s great but unless it’s a very dedicated team that will update the game constantly it seems to be is no use.
I feel like the issue could be solved with a flatpak-like solution.
Once 32bit libraries are gone, only wine with the recently added WoW64 will be able to run old games ot of the box. Old native titles made for 32bit Linux will require installing all the 32 bit libs again, assuming they’ll be even available for your distro
Which is no issue w Since you can even still run old 16-bit games on linux. Maybe someone will start packaging convenient library collections at some point.
Many games ship with dependencies statically linked into the binary. Those won’t even have the problem apart from maybe glibc.
Edit: 16-bit still works. For 8-bit there are emulators.
It won’t. You have so many options. Just install the old libraries, use a chroot, use docker. Probably automate all this with Lutris or similar.
Oh yeah that happens. Some devs are just too lazy to understand their build toolchain.
Woo competition doing its thing!
not really… microslop will always be trash and will always demand that you own nothing, and it’s all their data
Oh absolutely. But MS reacting to pressure from competition still benefits the poor souls who have to use it and shows that we need more people to switch away to encourage more improvements.
I dont even check if a game will work anymore on Linux, it always does. Last one was Planet Crafter which was a really good game. The entire planet is changing as you terraform it which is very fun to see.
That game ate 60 hours of my life in a week when I first played it
Pure addiction planet crafter, I bought the dlc in a heartbeat
Planet crafter, steer clear of that game. That’s some addictive shit, I 100%'ed that game before I even knew what I was doing. Really hit the subnautica style base building, alongside a progression system that frankly didn’t take the piss with my time
Getting it to work is one thing, getting past anticheat bullshit to play MP is different. Luckily I’m really only into single player at the moment, which all work flawlessly on my bazzite.
There are good MP games that works on Linux, but if one really cares about a specific title (and I totally get it, we want to enjoy stuff with our friends and all) dual boot I feel is a good compromise. Sure it is annoying to reboot every time you want to play some X game but nothing is perfect and you can keep your windows install pretty minimal.
Fair enough. I hate the way windows has gone, so I’m perfectly fine with any flavor of Linux.
Yeah, it’s good. Sort of like a survival cookie clicker.
No please, continue shooting yourself in the foot.
People begged for performance debloating for more than a decade but you’re only interested now because Proton outperforms Windows.
I would be asking for a multi million dollar salary as an NT kernel engineer to undo all the crappary intentionally introduced in every update ever since Windows 8.
Microsoft is doing this ONLY because they finally recognized that Linux surpassed them flying on the one thing they were king: games
Microsoft doesn’t give a single shit about end users, never had. It always had the goal of becoming the dominant ayer, then get a monopoly, and then doing absolutely nothing anymore until users complain too much. This has been their work ethos since it’s inception and if you believe otherwise I have a bridge to sell you.
wait, MS cares about their product? then why is it so… gestures vaguely at the OS
Perhaps they are talking handhelds, specifically?
Look. I am the biggest, most shameless CachyOS fanboy you will find. It’s like 90% of my desktop time, has been for years.
But I’ve benchmarked a few games on Windows and Linux, Proton and native, sparsely, and Windows still has an advantage, sometimes. Cyberpunk 2077 was the biggest outlier for Proton (eg faster on Windows, enough to visibly affect settings I can manage on my 3090).
And many native ports are still truly awful. Often where performance equates to simulation time, like modded Stellaris or Rimworld.
Mind you, that’s not always the case. Proton is faster in many games, and (for example) anything Java like Minecraft or Starsector are just hilariously faster on Linux.
The caveats:
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My Windows 11 is neutered to hell. It’s a barren wasteland. Even Defender is disabled.
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I’m running Nvidia.
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Some of my testing is aging now.
Still, I am a Linux shill, and think the headline is a bit dramatic. Stripped Windows is still faster in plenty of realistic scenarios.
Since they’re referencing SteamOS, they’re probably talking about stock mobile systems, where the overhead from that mountain of background junk in Windows is much more painful.
Yes but … Windows is not stripped Windows. The real Windows is a spyware hell installed by your laptop vendor. Barely usable.
Good point. My laptop is dualbooting Windows and Linux (Ubuntu 22) and its faster to:
start Linux, login, start quemu, start Windows VM in quemu, login in windows in the VM, shutdown windows in the VM gracefully, exit quemu, shutdown Linux gracefully
than
boot windows natively, login and wait till it is responsive enough to do anything with it.See, my Windows partition starts instantly. TBH its faster than linux, which takes an extra second to initialize SDDM, and then network connectivity.
…Perhaps because its so neutered. It’s not really a fair comparison, as Windows is a narrow-focus OS for me, a tool for running things, to the point I don’t trust it for anything security sensitive.
Nvidea might be making a big difference there, I’m on AMD and didn’t lose any frames, even in AAA games, when I switched from Windows 10 to Bazzite 42. Haven’t gained any either, but there’s a lot less stutter in menus and faster loading times that still make it feel smoother anyway.
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Oof. They are about to inject a bunch of vibe code into the only part that functions well.
What if they find out that people went to CachyOS for even more performance?
Cachy uses a lot of unstable patches. I wouldn’t recommend it just for benefit of bunch more frames.
So far it has been the most stable distro I’ve run, since moving to Linux full time three years ago, i think they are doing something right, idn 🤷
Agreed. The only major challenges I’ve had with CachyOS are from my Windows VM or from not realizing that Docker containers are the best option for server-type things, like the controller for my WiFi mesh network. Once I stopped trying (and failing) to run that from the AUR, it’s been smooth sailing.
But most people would just buy the dedicated mesh network controller, and the only reason I need a Windows VM is for SharePoint integration in Explorer, which is a fairly specialized requirement. Even as a power user, I almost exclusively use the web apps for O365 just so I don’t need to use Windows.
Apparently, earlier in CachyOS’s history, there were more issues, but I don’t think that’s at all true anymore. I tried installing a more “standard”/conservative choice, Debian on my wife’s and friend’s laptops, and it’s been way harder. I should have just stuck with “unstable” CachyOS, and it would have been much more stable. Turns out things usually get better with newer patches. Who knew?
I was there early in CachyOS’s history, and it was still great. The only huge issues I can remember (that wasn’t totally self inflicted) are upstream Nvidia problems, and some ambiguous manual package installs/uninstalls when some stuff was shuffled and renamed. But the later just taught me to watch the update log, as I should.
That, and I keep an LTS kernel around whenever something minor breaks. Which their setup makes totally painless.
I agree with others. CachyOS is the most stable Linux distro I’ve ever used, to the point where my laptop and desktop installs are years old now. It’s also that Linux desktop, overall, is in a good place, but still.
Debian is IMO just bad distro for desktop users. There’s a reason why Valve moved from Debian to Arch based for their SteamOS.
