AFAIK Microsoft gave the keys for Bitlocker to goverments before,So Classic Microsoft.
Microsoft is a malware developer, plain and simple.
ig “Proprietary software is often malware” is kinda not a exaggeration.
No Shit Sherlock. Not as if it would be required by US law to have a backdoor or anything…
No no, PatriotACT, CloudACT and stuff like PRISM just do not exist…
Yeah, the NSA proved that when their exploits leaked. Eternal blue and I’m sure they have a much more stuff we can only guess at.
Yet another reason to switch to Linux.
Copy Fail, Dirty Frag and Fragnesia exist. What are you going to switch to now?
There were always some known exploits for Linux, some required you to know what hardware the target had.
Of course there are! The only truly secure computer system is one that’s not powered up, after all.
Those are ‘vulnerabilities’ being exploited, and software will always have those, and when found, in Linux, they are patched, rather quickly in some cases. Microsoft develops Windows with the intention of making it vulnerable, so it is effectively commercial malware.
Those are 2 entirely different things.
Microsoft develops Windows with the intention of making it vulnerable, so it is effectively commercial malware
The intention is currently suggested by a disgruntled ex-employee. I’d say that warrants caution before making such broad statements.
No microsoft bad. /s
No, Microsoft BAD! Now, does the fact that this is an allegedly diagruntled employee removes all the predatory bullshit and malware Microsoft does all the time? Just think about it, research a bit how Microsoft drives its business and revenue. It’s all there for anyone to see.
They will be patched. There is also no indication that they 'be been known and exploited till recently.
This was allegedly deliberately non patched to be exploited.
Getting a system without bugs and security issues is impossible, you can at least avoid intentional compromise.
They will be patched. There is also no indication that they 'be been known and exploited till recently.
Two of the three are being used in the wild, with Copy Fail being retroactively found at least 9 days before the disclosure.
What are the indications that the BitLocker vulnerability is already being utilised?
This was allegedly deliberately non patched to be exploited.
Alleged by a guy who was fired from Microsoft. I’d take that with a pinch of salt.
Getting a system without bugs and security issues is impossible, you can at least avoid intentional compromise.
I agree! But other than one angry dude, not much else is pointing towards this being intentional - so far! Let’s see how things go.
That being said, open source repos are being attacked constantly with attempts at intentional malicious code injection - I’m sure you’ve heard of XZ Utils? How many others went through and are being exploited without anyone noticing?
Dude, enjoy your Windows then. This is not Twitter (or X or whatever) where you can go do your master’s bidding of creating noise to try and control the normies. Here most of us know how to do research and have the ability to differentiate bots (human or otherwise) from actual thinking individuals with a modicum of common sense and more than 2 functioning brain cells.
Look at your down-votes and take a hint. That bullshit has no effect here.
Dude, enjoy your Windows then.
Well, I’m a Linux user so I can’t.
This is not Twitter (or X or whatever) where you can go do your master’s bidding of creating noise to try and control the normies
Of course you can! Just like on every other social media! What are you even talking about? :D
Here most of us know how to do research and have the ability to differentiate bots (human or otherwise) from actual thinking individuals with a modicum of common sense and more than 2 functioning brain cells.
You’d think that, but if you actually know a bit about tech, this community is hilariously ignorant most of the time - on all the matters you mentioned. :D
Look at your down-votes and take a hint. That bullshit has no effect here.
The hint is that this community is extremely aggressive towards language that goes against the hive-mind. The bullshit has no effect because people can’t differentiate what’s bullshit and what isn’t, so they just automatically assume any statement that isn’t violently anti-MS is bullshit spewed by bots at their master’s bidding.
Take your comment as example…
I’ll absolutely agree on that one part of your comment. At this point, any comment that remotely seems like its defending anything Microsoft does to me is now considered bullshit attempts by MS to clear their name to some extent. When a company is so consistently voicing lies all over the place, their actions display those lies in clear light, and someone is defending any of it, yeah, no use in even looking into it, so it goes into the ‘planted bot’ bag out of principle alone.
One more thing I’ll agree on is the hive mind mentality, and we all live through that to some degree, no exceptions. We would all like to think we’re this individual entity with minds of our own influenced by nothing and no-one, but we all know that’s bullshit, unless you live in a cave at the top of mount Everest and your community IA made out of fucking squirrels and frozen rocks (no idea if there are caves or squirrels on mount Everest, or rocks for that matter, I pulled those out of my ass). We do have the ability to question everything.
Now, while there’s all kinds of people in Lemmy, there are only 2 main groups that then brach out to the other sub-groups. There’s those of us that want a less “moderated by what may damage the ‘company’” content and discussions, and then there’s those that are here to disrupt and misinform, regardless of if it’s of their own volition or if there’s someone above them pushing it, whatever the intention may be. You’re so clearly part of the latter that blocking you, like you suggested to someone else, would be to your advantage alone, not the community’s. For example, why did you only take a snippet of my comment about how this is not Twitter instead of the whole paragraph? I’ll tell you why. This is the same behavior used by some Christian pastors to manipulate people by reading some small parts of the bible to eliminate the original context and inject their own. You’re too fucking transparent, try harder.
That’s all I have in terms of responses to your
I wish you all the luck in regaining a bit of happiness in life, so that you can stop with this insane “us vs them” bullshit. It’s unhealthy, mate.
What are the indications that the BitLocker vulnerability is already being utilized?
Microsoft shipping a vulnerable version of the recovery environment. It is the ‘exploit’.
Alleged by a guy who was fired from Microsoft. I’d take that with a pinch of salt.
Such is the nature of closed source software. You select people who will remain complicit till they have a grievance against you. Even if they don’t and talked for moral reasons do you think they would not been fired for it?
That being said, open source repos are being attacked constantly with attempts at intentional malicious code injection - I’m sure you’ve heard of XZ Utils? How many others went through and are being exploited without anyone noticing?
Who knows. How many more went through at closed source software a limited amount of people can test in the same way?
Microsoft shipping a vulnerable version of the recovery environment. It is the ‘exploit’.
Red Hat and Canonical shipped a vulnerable version of SSH, the thing was caught basically hours before hitting all devices around the world.
Should Red Hat and Canonical be now considered hostile as much as MS is?
You select people who will remain complicit till they have a grievance against you. Even if they don’t and talked for moral reasons do you think they would not been fired for it?
I can only answer by saying this: I wish you luck in the job market and hope you’ll eventually find an employer you don’t assume to be a hostile entity towards you.
Who knows. How many more went through at closed source software a limited amount of people can test in the same way?
This is the equivalent of “prove that God doesn’t exist”. We can’t know because they haven’t been found, mate.
Were they the developers of the ssh package? Microsoft is the developer of the vulnerable bitlocker package and the ones who chose to ship it.
I am employed, most employers are obviously not as corrupt as the biggest corporations on the planet, they simply can’t afford to.
I agree we can’t know. We can know for FOSS software. You are treating uknownable as being less than the known bugs in Foss software. That’s dishonest, lad.
Microsoft is the developer of the vulnerable bitlocker package and the ones who chose to ship it.
… one guy claims.
Another possibility is that they have two separate builds fro BitLocker, and the one used in WinRE is vulnerable which they missed.
We don’t have enough information to clearly state that they did this on purpose.
We can know for FOSS software. You are treating uknownable as being less than the known bugs in Foss software. That’s dishonest, lad.
Again, read up about the XZ Utils vulnerability. We technically can know, but we don’t know, which was a statement by the guy responsible for package. It’s not dishonest, it’s a statement of fact.
What are you going to switch to now?
You’re right, we should burn all computers and return to use dead tree matter to write things down, and abaci for math operations.
Yeah, that’s kind of the exact opposite of the point I was making, but you do you.
Those are potential vulnerabilities that can be patched. This is an indication that MS intends for bitlocker which you really need to be secure to bother using windows on a laptop to never be secure by design.
Those are potential vulnerabilities that can be patched
“Potential”? They are actively being exploited. And they don’t require physical access to the device.
The require the person to have already compromised you and be running software on your machine
At least one of them only needs a remote session and access to any account on the device.
Only doing a bit of heavy lifting there.
They dont require physical access, but they require access to a non-root account on the machine. How often do you create accounts on your local machine for malicious actors to use?
When you do a new OS install, do you create a separate user account for guests and then share the login details with random people?
Right, because it’s impossible to get a person’s credentials in this day and age.
I always wonder whether to block people like you.
Sometimes I see your comments and get angry at how stupid you are.
Other times I see your comments and become really aware of how intelligent I am compared to… whatever the hell you are.
I mean, if you have nothing of value to say, why even make a comment? Just block me and move on, mate.
Or, I don’t know, engage and tell say why you think this comment was stupid?
I’ll gladly take over. The statement is stupid because it is already well known across the board that Microsoft is, by all intents and purposes, a malware developer. The Linux kernel on the other hand, and therefore Linux distros (most of them anyway), by being open source, at least give you the ability to look at the code and see if something IA broken, assuming you have the knowledge and the will, evidently.
Now, blocking you when you’re evidently on Lemmy to spread misinformation, be it of your own will or because you were planted (irrelevant) would be a disservice to people that come in here to interact in ways that may help them escape the grasp big tech and governments currently have on them.
This is not Twitter (or X) where most people just follow the “normy” trends. In here most of us are all too aware of moat of the truth out there, and keep digging ro help each other have the best life we can in these technologically dark times.
So, if you don’t want your easily disproven bullshit comments countered and being downvoted to the point that people will just scroll past your shit, you’re going ro have ro block us. Otherwise, keep them coming, any of us will knock down your sheep-like pushes with sound logic and facts each and every time. Of course, if your comments are accurate, they will be upvoted as well. Cause and effect, you know?
Pathetic response
Oh, another one. They’re multiplying like rabbits 🤣
The statement is stupid because it is already well known across the board that Microsoft is, by all intents and purposes, a malware developer
Hahahahahaha, and you call my comments “stupid”? XD
OK, I’m not even reading the rest, mate. I get it! I really do - “Microsoft bad!”, that’s all there is to it for you. There’s no discussion to be had here, unless someone is also a member of the cult, and then everyone can chant “Microsoft bad! Microsoft bad!”.
Weak sauce, mate. Cheers!
How many more people need to tell you exactly why your comments are ‘stupid’? I also think your comments are stupid, but more than that, I think you’re planted here to throw dirt on open source software in an attempt to lead people to big tech (which is a waste of time on your part).
Like my fellow Lemmy smart users here, your comments also piss me off, just a bit, but there’s going ro be some people here that are looking for reasons and ways to get away from MS, Google, Apple and all other bullshit malware and spyware corporations, and I want to be able to counter bullshit like yours by clarifying how wrong those are and why, so blocking you is not the beat course of action for me. You are, however, welcome to block me, and I will stop following your ill-intended comments to counter them then.
I think you’re planted here to throw dirt on open source software
You have no idea how hilarious this sounds aimed at a Linux user. :D
But I learned to expect nothing else from this community! :D
Like my fellow Lemmy smart users here
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And yet you replied again…
I guess anyone who uses ShitLocker is shit out of LUKS.
This Chaotic Eclipse/Nightmare Eclipse is the same one whose opening post read:
I never wanted to reopen a blog and a new github account to drop code…
But someone violated our agreement and left me homeless with nothing. They knew this will happen and they still stabbed me in the back anyways, this is their decision not mine.
I’m guessing there’s plenty more to come.
Kinda funny that they’re targeting Microsoft and yet using GitHub to share the PoCs.
Kinda funny that they’re targeting Microsoft and yet using GitHub to share the PoCs.
This is the part I don’t get either. Although - maybe it is because it protects other platforms from legal action by microSLOP? Also, it adds to the Streisand effect should microSLOP remove the proof of concept from its own platform.
Isn’t this the blue hammer guy?
Seems. Like bløgspot is a banned word…
Yeah, Copy Fail, Dirty Frag and Fragnesia are bad but holy fuck.
You mean that thing everyone knew about since the authorities derailed open-source TrueCrypt and forced them to message their users that they should migrate to BitLocker?
There’s an open-source successor to TrueCrypt called VeraCrypt. For that matter, as far as I know, one can still download the last version of TrueCrypt. It hasn’t been disappeared.
It’s true that the TrueCrypt developers retired and said that commercial packages like BitLocker were finally good enough and available enough that they didn’t feel compelled to maintain TrueCrypt. I remember that. I think it’s plausible that Microsoft has (or has provided to someone) back-door access to BitLocker, but I don’t remember any hint that the TrueCrypt developers had been coerced; have you got something you can link to?
Certainly at the time there was talk of coercion, there was talk the developers had been asked to put in a backdoor, had refused and then been encouraged to cease and desist their work on TrueCrypt and provide written recommendation of BitLocker, the wording of which did not seem to be their own. But people like conspiracies, maybe the authors did just move on, and if that was encouraged it probably was not as sinister as suggested. Security and privacy will always be duking it out.
But people like conspiracies,
In spite of the fact that they never happen and that government mass surveillance isn’t a thing and hasn’t been exposed repeatedly for decades and that we all know they have not been aiming to do this exact thing for the better part of a century and that they are genuinely evil and literally never prove themselves to be over and over and over.
There is that, but in a more general sense I think people like conspiracies because they have a deep need to believe that there is an intelligent direction to human affairs, even if it is malign, and that the world is not actually chaotic and uncontrolled at the largest scale. It stems I suppose from infancy when even while we pushed at them we needed to know the unfathomable rules our parents set came from a better understanding of things than was available to us.
This take I buy. My grievance is like, with people who lambast “conspiracy theorists” (because apparently that’s a term for a fucking social identity we actually have to use in 2026) fall in the same trap as those who drop Dunning-Kruger effect- as we all know we all think we are smarter than average, and dumb people especially believe this, alas, just because you think you’re smarter than the average doesn’t necessarily mean you’re wrong.
Just because you believe in a conspiracy doesn’t mean there isn’t one. There are informed opinions. They are rare, and hard to come by, but still. Technically correct = best correct.
These days, if you’re not on Windows you can use luks or just zfs with encryption enabled. Code is open and can be audited by anyone. But yes, VeraCrypt to my knowledge is also still a viable option.
Well, there’s a big difference between “knowing” something and knowing something (i.e proof your intuition is right).
The entire Microsoft, Apple and Google ecosystem is USA backdoors. That’s why I call it American spyware.
And they tell us to worry about China. :)
It’s called misdirection, every magician and thief knows about it :D
Install Linux, Problem Solved.
More than ever.
Of course they did. They have no interest in protecting your privacy and every interest in making you think they do. I would’ve been way more surprised to learn there wasn’t a backdoor.
I’m left puzzed as to how this works …like… the data on the disk should be encrypted sector by sector…it takes forever to encrypt or decrypt a disk which is consistent with that understanding.
When you boot into PE, I don’t understand how that OS can read anything off the disk, yellowkey or not, without knowing the encryption key…so how does it get that key. Is the vulnerability here that the key is stored in the TPM and win PE can be convinced to retrieve it without the proper credentials being provided ?
If that’s the case, and the TPM can just provide the key on request…then… where is the security here ?
My guess is that the key to decrypt the disk is stored on the disk, encrypted by a Microsoft-known key. This seems to unlock that copy of the key rather than the copy encrypted by your own key.
Though he did say to put the disk back in the original system in part of the instructions, so it might be TPM based. The way to check would be to try this on a system with a disk from another system, or with a wiped TPM.
TPM is not security, it’s security theatre. If you don’t need to type a password in or insert a device with a key on it during boot, then it’s not secure, period.
Seems like every week there is another reason why I’m thankful I switched to Linux a few years ago.
Only thing I find annoying with full volume LUKS encryption is that it makes it difficult to resize partitions, it’s a whole thing, but it’s a minor hassle and not something I’d do every day anyway.
I have the page with instructions for this prominently bookmarked because it was such a nightmare to figure out the last time I migrated my OS to a differently sized drive.
I like to use btrfs subvolumes inside a luks lvm volume for this reason.
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VeraCrypt solves this issue. I leave my main OS unencrypted then simply store veracrypt partitions to the size I need and put files inside that as needed. I’ve dealt with resizing luks partitions and its not worth it. Especially if you build, maintain, or otherwise tinker with you system.
I feel like a hermit stumbling upon other hermits complaining about hermit stuff.
What? Btrfs subvolumes are basically the same as logical volumes. That’s somewhat redundant.
Your correct. It is redundant. I think I needed the lvm layer to get an installer to recognize the luks partition. Can’t remember if it’s Pop or Fedora. That installer bug might be fixed now though. One day I’ll check and update my drive so its just using btrfs on luks.
Why not just encrypt the whole drive and then use virtual partitions within the encryption?
Because I twin boot other OSs
Bitlocker is TEMU encryption
It really isn’t. The encryption itself still hasn’t been defeated. The implementation is the problem. Microsoft just can’t get out of their own way. If they ignored all the business majors, nobody would be able to stop them.
Lol, if they ignored that they would have gone extinct in the 90’s
Good.
We always knew it was there. They sold their soul to the NSA decades ago.
I remember the day I saw the “Intel! Inside” commercial and the logo, and I thought, I don’t fucking trust this company.
Yeah no shit Intel inside, you’ve got every fucking three letter agency inside.
I knew it was over the day they introduced UEFI and TPM.
Wait what’s wrong with UEFI? My computer uses it, although I have an AMD chipset if that makes a difference…
Mostly the “secure boot” crap, which you can turn off (it’s more a “running your own software on the machine” risk than a privacy risk). UEFI in general isn’t too bad (way way WAY more complex than BIOS though) and managing EFI bootloaders is so much less hassle than with BIOS boot!
– Frost
All I know about secure boot is that if I make a custom ISO and try booting from it, I would need to create a signature first, register it in my UEFI, and use it to sign the ISO.
Seems like a pain in the ass, but then again if I want to play with a custom ISO I can do so in a VM, and that seems kind of worth it to prevent someone from booting whateverthefuck if they somehow gain physical access to my computer…
I mean, if they gain physical access to your computer, they can just boot their favorite Linux live ISO and go to town. :3
That’s true too, I guess. I suppose the only way to prevent that would be to disable USB boot, which would also make recovery impossible?
It certainly wouldn’t help recovery.
IMO it’s better to not try to restrict them from running stuff, and instead to encrypt your disk. Like, they can also just pull your drive and stick it in their own machine (and you WANT to be able to pull your own drive if your computer gets in a physical crash or watered or something and stops working).
Tech megacorps are the fifth estate of their home countries, trusting your data to Microsoft or Google is essentially the same as handing it directly to the FBI and CIA.
