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Plex has announced a massive price increase on the service’s Lifetime Plex Pass. On July 1, the lifetime subscription option will go from $249.99 to $749.99, an increase of 200%. The price hike will only apply to new subscribers, with no changes to monthly or annual subscription pricing.
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I don’t know why anyone would pay that instead of using Jellyfin. I’ve had my server up for years now and it works great.
I haven’t checked in on Jellyfin for a while now, but don’t they still have issues with hardware transcoding support?
Not to mention the lack of software clients on other platforms for just playback that Plex has been established on for years and even multiple device generations like with PlayStation, Roku, Fire Stick, etc.?
Also you have to configure your own reverse proxy / Tailscale set up to securely access a content library remotely, right - as opposed Plex’s relatively simpler remote access configuration?
Surprise, surprise, a paid product with salaried developers has more features than a volunteer project!
More people using Jellyfin, more people who will contribute, through code or donations. It’s worth a downside to swap over.
Especially given the new “lifetime” price. More people will switch to Jellyfin. Plex lifetime might be shorter.
Hopefully that gets better - I run both side by side pointed at the same folders so the exact same media is available in both. I offer all my friends the choice and list every alternate app I know of, inevitably they all prefer Plex.
I have not personally experienced any issues with hardware transcoding. My server is an old Dell Optiplex and I use clients on Linux, Android, Roku and Shield.
Yes you are correct about remote access and if that was a priority for me, I would happily learn that part instead of paying for Plex.
Especially on non-GPU systems, Jellyfin is slower at transcoding than Plex. I don’t know the internals, but I have both running in the sam machine, and Plex is always noticeably more responsive. Not by a huge margin, but still it is.
What kinds of issues? I put an Intel Arc in my server and it’s working fine AFAICT.
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I have an ~80GB movie that I can watch on a TV that can’t even handle the data rate for that file, nevermind the codecs.
But if the couple minutes to click “this client can’t handle anything over 60Mbps x264” is too much work, then by all means keep paying for Plex. Or “hypothetically” find a smaller copy of that movie.
I’m always amazed by the number of people who absolutely can’t leave Plex because they’ve got 14 grandparents streaming 8k rips all day every day.
It’s essentially a one time fee for an indefinite service of handling the vpn side of the setup.
I use Jellyfin on my local network and plex externally because I don’t know how to route specific traffic with openvpn on my phone and can’t be bothered switching it off and on when streaming things 😅
I’m not sure how it’s sustainable, and am surprised they still offer the life pass at all though.
I guess a lot of people buy it who don’t need it?
I still probably wouldn’t pay the current price for it though, I got it about a decade ago lol.
Oh also plexamp has a better UX than jellyfin for music, but I don’t think that alone would justify the current price.
Tailscale is the answer to easily and remotely access jellyfin and your server. Its easy to setup and very secure.
Dude seriously it’s so much easier than anything else. For a personal media server with remote access, jellyfin + tailscale on an old computer you may have laying around plugged into your router is all you need
Yep, exactly what I’ve been telling people. And then they complain that tvs dont have the ability to have the tailscale app on them. So, then buy a cheap android box, even an Onn 4K from Walmart would work for like 25 bucks and install tailscale and jellyfin on it.
True again. That’s what I run upstairs and downstairs on my TVs. If I’m not mistaken, you should be able to use RPis for the same sort of thing if you really really didn’t wanna touch any Google stuff, which I would understand.
I also totally get people having slightly different uses for their media servers, like maybe they share their collection with friends and family members who aren’t as tech literate/don’t wanna use a Google TV when they already stream everything else on their PS5 for example. For those purposes, it has especially made sense historically to go with Plex.
Well, my android boxes have degoogled roms on them so no google dependencies or requirements.
Yeah, I mean it all depends on what a person wants. I just immediately went with Jellyfin and tailscale from the beginning and couldnt be happier.
I didn’t find it that easy to set up 😅
but I’m sure I would find it easier if I was more motivated e.g. saving $750 by setting it up 😅
It really is easy to set up though lol. I didn’t know anything about self hosting about 2 years ago. There’s so many guides and tutorials to use to help set it up too.
You’re not wrong. I would just rather learn Headscale or nginx or any other option than pay that Plex subscription. But I’m sure there are people out there who have extremely valuable time and wouldn’t hesitate to fork over 750.
ah yeah, I paid $50, not $750 😂
How much do you donate to jellyfin? If I sum up my 20 bucks per year for the next 50 years, I end up with 1000 bucks. If I wanted to pay today, I’d donate even more to jellyfin. (Neglecting inflation)
My Jellyfin server goes, “Burrrrrrr!”
Honestly, I made the switch about 6 months ago and haven’t looked back once. The Jellyfin native Android TV app is a bit lacking, but I recently installed Wholpin and find it much better!
My only other gripe is that Plex allows you to set subtitle and audio language preferences per library while JF only allows one preference for the whole server. This is annoying for those of us enjoying foreign language films, where I often end up having to play with the settings every time I want to watch a foreign feature.
I’ve also heard that some people miss the syndication of Plex, where you have one account connected to many servers. I only connect to my own, so don’t know much about this.
Ooohh. Language preference per library would be so nice. Not having to fuck with languages on anime would be so convenient.
There is a syndicated Jellyfin project. Not tried it.
Plex announces that it is tired of having all of these customers buying their software
Wait wait wait so… you pay THEM to let YOU share YOUR media? Wha?
An absolutely insane number of self hosting options require a subscription for now fucking reasoning.
Not a one time buy which would at least make sense. No no! Its a monthly fee AND half the time they require a Internet connection and checkin. Just to SELF HOST.
its fucking baffling.
Not a one time buy which would at least make sense. No no! Its a monthly fee AND half the time they require a Internet connection and checkin. Just to SELF HOST.
Yeah, the DRM has to make sure your subscription is up to date. For the service you provide all the hardware for. The service you will personally have to install and maintain.
Not really. What Plex is selling is a relay service, so you can connect to your home media remotely, just like you can do with Tailscale etc. the second thing they are selling is user management, easily share media library with other people. Both of these are hard to set up for many people in Jellyfin
That’s just gonna drive lazy people to learn how to use something open source like Jellyfin.
Lazy ones will just keep paying monthly. Industrious ones might move to jellyfin. The main thing this will do is
separate a few fools from their moneyget people to stop buying lifetime passes.It’s safe to say they want people to be stuck paying monthly so they can have more consistent income i guess.
At least when paying monthly it’s easier to see the worth in swapping to Jellyfin (because you aren’t trying to maximize the 1k you dropped for lifetime).
Honestly if you’re a smaller server, or anywhere decent at tinkering Jellyfin is the better product at this point
I tried switching and I’ll try again. But getting https reverse proxy was a lot of moving parts that I never got working.
The instructions were a long chain of learning:
Install ngnx for reverse proxy
Ngnx only available as docker
Install docker
Docker not working because I don’t understand it.
Install podman
Give up and go back to 3d printing where I have a backlog of stuff that actually needs to be done.
Caddy is way easier than all the other reverse proxies, it handles certificates automatically
Just install tailscale and run everything behind it. Too easy to set up
Can a random person (my mother in law and other non techie family) connect to my tailscaled jellyfin using a Roku or AppleTV? I thought tailscale needs a wireguard client.
It does. People often throw this out there as if it fits all situations, but it doesn’t. Plex is handling the proxying for you which is what makes it so easy.
A better comparison, if running your own reverse proxy was too complicated, would be to use something like Cloudflare Tunnels. However that’s still extra steps, they dont want you media streaming on their free plan, and you still have the issue of Jellyfin not being the most secure code that you really want to open up to the whole internet. That’s why a one size fits all answer is difficult.
This is why I dropped jellyfin immediately. How do I explain / get these extra steps working for family? People should have gotten the lifetime when it was cheap, and I’m surprised they even offer it anymore - some companies are dropping it, i.e Tesla FSD.
Well they can if those tvs allow the tailscale app to be installed. If not then Walmart sells very cheap ONN 4K boxes for like 20 bucks and then the tailscale and jellyfin apps can be installed on that.
I can kind of understand why they don’t want users buying a lifetime pass. It means they will not get any further funding from that person. It’s worth the tradeoff when you are smaller and need funding, but kind of a hinderance once you are more established.
Either way, I’m glad I purchased the lifetime pass when it was much cheaper years ago.
Yeah Lifetime Passes are unsustainable for a service. The only reason they exist is to attract some early adopters, keep them and if lucky enough have them bring more customers.
The only viable path forward is to discontinue the purchase of new lifetime licenses, or make them exponentially expensive.
At this point, I think we all can see the critical tipping point of enshittification writing on the wall for Plex.
I know everyone says Jellyfin, but given how easy Plex still handles hardware transcoding on many common current standard NAS configurations as well as the somewhat non-standard network configurations needed to otherwise easily yet securely access content remotely from external locations, not to mention the decent UX and deep integration across all client platforms whether web, iOS, Android, Smart TV, and even things like PlayStation and Xbox hardware, but do others here have some any thoughts on how to jump ship to get 1:1 features here at some point?
Many people have been on Plex for more than a decade and have seen it slowly try to reposition its business model to one that is leaning toward something more akin to a streaming subscription rather than a simple personal content library software… but I still have yet to feel the need to switch… at least not yet.
I was an early adopter to Plex, came over from Boxee when it was a thing and bought a very inexpensive lifetime pass.
I jumped ship about a year ago to jellyfin. I use tailscale and just help people set it up. After initial setup, it’s a toggle and start jellyfin and it functions pretty close to Plex. My users use the Onn box or Nvidia shield. Almost nothing has to transcode. I had issues with poorly encoded mp4 files but mkv streams flawlessly without transcode. Transcode itself is limited by graphics chip.
One note, I don’t add people to my tailscale, each user has their own tailnet and then I join it to mine by inviting them to my server. This gets around the 3 user limit.
Overall, some annoyance and pain but not bad and people went along with my plan and now it’s just normal.
My thing was, it’s my server. If they want what I have then buy an Onn or whatever and spend 15 minutes setting things up. Or don’t. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
How does it work on TVs? You start Tailscale on the TV, and have to toggle it every time you use Jellyfin?
You dont have to toggle it on. It can be set to be on at every boot automatically. We turn our android boxes off and when we turn them back on, tailscale is already connected and Jellyfin stays open and is on screen when turning the box on. As far as tvs go, if the app is available then it would be the same.
Oh, that’s great. But just to be clear, when it’s toggled on, that means all traffic on that device is getting routed back through the host Tailscale client (not just Plex), right?
No, all other traffic would only be re-routed if you use the mullvad add-on in your tailscale account, which is the vpn add-on. Tailscale by itself is to only allow you to connect to any services behind tailscale. So, tailscale gives your server an ip address. With tailscale and jellyfin on another device you would enter the tailscale ip of your server into jellyfin with your credentials and connect to it that way.
That’s great, I didn’t know it was per service. Definitely going to set up Jellyfin now. Thank you!
Yep, tailscale will allow you to connect to any services you have on the tailscaled server from another device, such as Jellyfin, Navidrome, *arr apps, etc. Any other traffic on another device will be regular unrouted traffic unless you add the Mullvad add-on in your tailnet. Its a few extra steps to set up but worth it IMO.
I don’t use the mulvad thing, but I do not set my tailnet device as an endpoint. Only traffic meant for my server gets to my network.
Lots of ways to do it.
The biggest thing is, jf will feel different. Give it a chance, run it side by side Plex for a while. Fix your media database or update your files, do some spring cleaning, and pick jf to watch your stuff until t feels natural. Then it’s time to bring users over.
How much longer before the yearly/monthly goes up this much.
as soon as they think the market will bear it
How much longer until all the current lifetime subscribers have to pay up to the current price to keep it?
Yeah eventually they will figure out to nullify the old cheap lifetime subscriptions.
I’m just waiting for them to decide all the lifetime members need to pay monthly and kill off the lifetime memberships. Probably by having a ‘new’ version that for some made up reason can only function
on the blood of the unbornon monthly subscriptions. Where the only real change will be a different UI that’s missing features which they will tout as “cleaner”.
Ok cool, now let me stream to my own network locally without the internet…
you had one fucking job, Plex!
I use Infuse for that. Works great.
Laugh while you can monkey boy! But in 2037 when its $75000 for a lifetime pass, I’ll be the one laughing then!
If you just live long enough this is an amazing deal! A steal I tell you!
If you don’t see it that way you are timid and weak and don’t have the confidence to survive another 6 or 7 decades!
I wonder if instead of Jellyfin + Tailscale, people should be doing Jellyfin + Netbird.
Netbird offers a reverse proxy, so you can easily expose Jellyfin to the public Internet and not have to jump through hoops for friends and family…
https://docs.netbird.io/manage/reverse-proxy
At least, in theory… I haven’t tried this setup yet, but I’m thinking about it…
I bought my parent’s an Android TV, just so they could install Tailscale on it. Unfortunately, Android TV keeps killing Tailscale or doesn’t launch it on boot. They’re old, so they can’t really troubleshoot VPN issues.
I use Jellyfin with Wireguard, Caddy, and Fail2Ban https://codeberg.org/skjalli/jellyfin-vps-setup
tailscale also offers a reverse proxy through their “funnel” - https://tailscale.com/docs/features/tailscale-funnel
but I’ve been looking at netbird and might switch, so who knows what i’ll be using a year from now
Headscale doesn’t though and I’d be willing to bet the self hosted jellyfin types are more likely to also be using headscale than tailscale.
Massive price hike causes massive customer hike to Jellyfin lol
I really should get around to kicking my setup over to jellyfin and navidrome.
Yes you should. I run both and absolutely love them.
Would be nice if Plex showed their numbers; what they pay in licensing, maintenance etc and profit
