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    Could you imagine if a rogue actor got into the system-level of your iPhone, disguised as an AI assistant? That would be a huge headache and nightmare.

    How about we let the users decide if they want to keep the default or not? These fucking companies are always using the privacy and security cqrd to push their walls and get full control of the devices we buy. And, of course, fucking media companies just serve as speakers for them.

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      Right? The framing on this is diabolical - like I trust big American tech companies with that kind of access anymore than anyone else? I don’t want any of them giving an LLM access to my info.

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    The last paragraph feel more like the authors opinion, which is a bit weird on an Android website.

    I agree with the EU on this one though, I hate walled gardens and the EU is doing good work.

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      What does China do?
      China smartphone companies just install their own ai providers I suspect.

      Edit. Oh .

      Apple unveiled a dramatically improved Siri at WWDC 2026, but quietly confirmed that EU and China users won’t be getting it with iOS 27.

      Lmao. Apple Loosers. Fucking incompetent cunts.

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    Of course, Apple doesn’t want to give up that much access to a competitor. Never mind the privacy implications. Could you imagine if a rogue actor got into the system-level of your iPhone, disguised as an AI assistant? That would be a huge headache and nightmare.

    This article seems rather a bit biased. Apple didn’t give their reasoning for it, and it seems presumptuous for Maxham to provide that reasoning, when it’s unfounded.

    It also doesn’t seem like that big of an issue. Just have the assistant program run through the same permissions as a regular app, rather than as a system app, where you have to set the permissions you want to give it.

    It also wouldn’t be Apple’s fault, any more than it would be their fault because you saw on Facebook that your iPhone had wireless charging, and stuck it in the microwave. People should be allowed to break their own devices. That’s part of the risks of owning something, where things can just break if you use it wrong.

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      Well, they at least rejected letting Apple release without “Trusted System Agent” and a pinky promise it would be implemented in a year and a half…

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      “Designed” but did not implement. Pretty much says everything you’d need to know.

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    Apple? The company who fucked with their users/customers phone batteries from afar so they would have to purchase new products? That Apple?

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      I’m constantly being told by Apple fanboys that Apple is the only pro consumer silicon valley company in operation.

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        No it’s not. Apple failed to take battery degradation into account when designing their product, then tried to hide it surreptitiously while gaslighting their users.

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    Could you imagine if a rogue actor got into the system-level of your iPhone, disguised as an AI assistant? That would be a huge headache and nightmare.

    What is AI if not a rogue actor? Seems to me like Europe not getting Siri AI is Apple threatening them with a good time.

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    I kinda get Apple’s point though. They designed the AI cloud to be super private. Letting customers use other models invites abuse of their data. You know there are advertisers and sketchy data brokers lining up to have all your contacts, calendar, to dos, notes, photos, and other personal information sent to their servers and the media will sharpen their knives to blame Apple when abuse occurs, even if they did it to appease the EU.

    Edit: if you’re not a software engineer that understands the details, your opinion is irrelevant here.

    Read their docs. Don’t have anything meaningful to contribute besides inane, reactionary dribble? Keep your mouth shut and move on.

    https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/

    https://security.apple.com/blog/expanding-pcc/

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    Unclear what Apple could even do here.

    The obvious answer would be, let people take the risk if they so chose. But the EU also demands security, so that isn’t much of an option. It makes no sense.

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      What risk? I have an android and can select my agent if I want one.

      People need to stop mystifying tech and excusing anti consumer products. What is the risk if I choose a different agent? Do they allow me third party keyboards or sms clients?

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        What risk?

        That this is even a question, shows the problem with leaving it all to users.

        We’ll have to wait and see how Google responds to these demands. Android has been traditionally more open, but has recently been closed down more; not least because of EU demands for more security. It will be interesting.

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          Your comprehension skills are dogshit. The EU is moving to break down walled gardens…which is why Apple cant put Siri on the market here. In your comment it is responsible for both locking down and preventing locking down.

          More security does not necessitate closing ranks. What risk being a question is something you clearly misunderstood on every level.

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            In your comment it is responsible for both locking down and preventing locking down.

            As I wrote, it makes no sense.

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              Your asertion makes no sense because it isnt based in reality.

              You ae failing to grasp that I am saying both canr be true. You are also not making the case that both are, rather laying blame for both without understanding either.

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                Why would I make the case? That would surely be a huge waste of time. You’re not asking any questions. You don’t want to know, right?

                But ok. If you want to share, I will read it. What did you make up in your mind about this?

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          Umm, so what. You want restrictions because part of the population is low IQ and tech illiterate? The fuck do I care, buy yourself a flip phone if you can’t deal.

          If you are “at risk”, you probably shouldn’t be near a computer or the internet.

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            Sheesh. I don’t agree with the EU locking down Android. But I don’t see either how it makes sense to punch this huge security hole into Apple’s Walled Garden. Their customers expect, and pay for, a lot of hand-holding.

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              You have to give your ID to watch porn for your security. You can’t install unapproved apps for your security. Using a VPS is illegal for your security. Companies need to keep detailed information on you for your security. Can’t have anything encrypted for your security.

              Every shit decision lately has been for our security but mostly just seems to be about killing competition or destroying privacy.

              As if they couldn’t just solve it by putting a dev mode, but that would hinder profits which is the real reason for all this. The ones that want apple to hold their hand and lead them around like a child can just not use it.

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                I don’t get what you’re trying to say here. That’s not the legal situation in the EU (or even the UK). Are you saying that’s where the EU is headed?

                Gating a change of AI assistant behind a dev mode would not be DMA compliant.

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          The EU is the reason that people use browsers other than Chrome, they’ve also the ones that forced Microsoft to allow browsers other than internet explorer in the first place so they’re also the reason Chrome exists. All good things in their time.

          There has been no risk from removing walled gardens. If any person is not comfortable for any reason about using any AI other than the included one then they are of course free not to make any changes. This is about choice and ensuring customers have choice. Meanwhile here is Apple acting as if the concept of an API is a revolutionary idea.

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      Eh, I do get your logic and it makes some sense but they literally do it already for MacOS. Apps request access to os level controls and you have to go in and say yes this app has access to control my computer.

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        MacOS doesn’t fall under the same DMA requirements, so that’s why it still gets Siri AI in the EU.

        I’ve been wondering if this would be more dangerous than installing random apps. It might be. But they don’t let people install just anything on iPhones. “Proper” computers are traditionally more open.

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      Oh come on. That’s a pathetic attempt at fanboying.

      My God that was an incredibly whiny article I’m upset that I have to read that. Here’s the only bit that actually has any substance to it. Emphasis is mine.

      Given the serious risks to users, Apple designed a solution called Trusted System Agent — an intermediary that would allow virtual assistants to safely access the same features and capabilities as Siri AI for devices in the EU. Apple also shared a plan to launch Siri AI in the EU while gradually rolling out this new solution over an 18-month period. The European Commission said no. In fact, the European Commission did not agree to any of Apple’s proposals.

      So Apple asked if they could just launch anyway and then maybe possibly introduce compliance in a year and a half. Yeah right of course the EU rejected that.

      If Apple needs 18 months to introduce a proposed solution then what they can do is they can release the new Siri in 18 months with the proposed solution implemented. I’m sure if they come to the EU with that that will be accepted, which I’m sure the EU told Apple.

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        If Apple needs 18 months to introduce a proposed solution then what they can do is they can release the new Siri in 18 months with the proposed solution implemented.

        So you’re agreeing with me?

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          Your reading comprehension needs some work.

          Apple need to release Siri AI with this API when the API was released not before

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            Sorry, your English isn’t always quite clear.

            You’re saying that they will have to create that security layer that you call API, before releasing a modified Siri AI in the EU. Right? Which means that you don’t see either what Apple could have done to roll this out now in the EU.

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      EU demands security theater. They are attempting to force backdoors into all of these APIs and systems (including locally run AI) for the nanny state. Very unfortunate.

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        You get the EU is not a single unified entity. It’s not a government, they don’t have any reason to want to spy on their citizens because they don’t have citizens because they’re not a government.

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        Unless I misread it, they are denying the security theater approach and insisting that if it’s rolled out, it must include the safeguards, not just saying they promise to have them ready in the next 18 months. Meanwhile other countries seem to be okay with implementing this before the safeguards are in place.

        I’ll just patiently wait for the next wave of 0days exploiting it.

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        How the fuck do they get backdoors in locally run anything? Its local, it doesnt have anywhere to remotely access from. I guess they could break in and try my logins