Lol, it just reminded me of that. I don’t care either way, good for you for standing up for shit. I just think anything I say will never have any impact on shit one way or the other. To me it’s like having a conversation on the street and then saying, don’t repeat what I said it’s trademarked, or something. If you’re posting art or actual creative content then fine, you have all reason to say so, but a comment on a discussion online… I’m not trying to copyright my shit takes on everyday speech. If you think for one second anyone cares or will care what we talk about here and now then go ahead, it doesn’t affect me one way or another, but I don’t see the need. That link will not stop anyone for using your words from bot training or whatever.
To me it’s like having a conversation on the street and then saying, don’t repeat what I said it’s trademarked, or something
People don’t record your conversation on the street and sell that audio recording to a company to use to build/program their AI models, without compensating you.
What do you mean? I live in one of the most surveillanced places in the world, almost everyone I live around in every house I visit for work has literally paid for the privilege to record everything that happens near their house and is uploaded to computers for God knows what. It’s actually naive to think that not every single aspect of your life is being documented and transmitted into data at this very moment and that a simple link saying don’t do this is going to stop any of it. On top of that what do you mean are we done? I didn’t question anything about what you were doing I asked what the link was you answered me and then I said that was dumb we were done after I said it was dumb.
I live in California, I can barely manage to be alive here, leaving America is not a reality for me. In fact, getting to California was actually a win for me. It’s not perfect but it’s better than where I was if not financially viable but it’s more where I want to be than where I was.
I have no angst against you or what you’re doing I just don’t really care. My comments will be used (and yours) regardless what I link to and if I didn’t want that happen I would just stop talking online all together rather than linking to something an ai bot won’t give 2 picoseconds of thought to.
What do you mean? I live in one of the most surveillanced places in the world
I live in California, I can barely manage to be alive here
Hey, me too. Wait, unless there’s two California’s out there, one where the cameras and microphones up your ass 24/7, and the other one that doesn’t have that?
All snarkeyness aside, I’m sure there’s other places on the planet that has real and true state sponsored surveillance, that doesn’t exist in the US. Maybe you were exaggerating just a tad bit?
If it makes you feel any better, I don’t use any of those products in my home, for the reasons you’ve stated. And I’m severely wishing my phone had a physical button to switch on / off the microphone. But then again, everyone in the US has a phone now, I don’t think that’s just a California thing.
I have no angst against you or what you’re doing I just don’t really care.
Truly no disrespect meant, but you’re arguing a lot for someone who really doesn’t care. 😇
I’ve heard your points, and I truly wish happiness for you in your future. I grew up here, and I know how things are a lot more expensive today, than they were in the past.
If we can move on now, that would be great. We have derailed the post conversation enough.
I’m not the OP, but I don’t feel like it would affect the process of harvesting your data or put some burden on the company doing it, since they have big bucks. But at the same time I’m not against it for it can lead to many humorous examples of AI putting this license after it’s replies after learning on your content. It would be the platinum tier absurdity and I’m all for it.
I’m not the OP, but I don’t feel like it would affect the process of harvesting your data or put some burden on the company doing it, since they have big bucks.
Maybe. For me its a combination of very easy to add the license, hoping fellow coders who create the models will honor a Creative Commons license, and figuring that at some point in the future Congress will get around to passing laws about who owns content, how its labled, and how others can scrape such data. There’s already arguments going on between big corporations about paying to use the content to build the models, so I’m assuming that lobbying is being done right now in that category.
Though honestly I might just get bored some day and talk to my lawyer friend about what I would need to do to test this all out. Boredom is something you have at times, when retired.
But at the same time I’m not against it for it can lead to many humorous examples of AI putting this license after it’s replies after learning on your content. It would be the platinum tier absurdity and I’m all for it.
lol! I never heard of this, that’s really funny actually.
Now that you mention it, in theory, we could all “black box” input into the models by having wacky stuff in our comments.
It’s superstitious clutter. Most websites require you to license the content you post to them without those restrictions, and AI training may not even involve copyright in the first place, meaning the license is moot. It just makes you look silly.
“Lemmy” isn’t a website. I’m not even viewing this from a Lemmy instance, I’m on an mbin server. Do you understand how the Fediverse works? Your posts are being copied and transmitted to everyone regardless of what restrictions you claim you’re putting on them, if you don’t want them used that way then don’t post in the first place.
And if you’re finding this argument about your spam to be entertaining there’s a word for that. I likely shouldn’t be feeding that but this thread is already thoroughly derailed.
Allow me to play devil’s advocate here, but what you are saying about the fediverse seems to be completely compliant with that license. The content can be freely redistributed provided it is fine in a noncommercial way and with attribution (which is the case, right? We see the comment author).
Also, the argument “X is going to be done regardless” applies to all licenses (thinking about open source licenses). There is nothing that physically stops you from taking open source code and violate its license but if you get caught doing so, you are liable.
Maybe today there is nothing that would make anybody accountable about grabbing public data, training AI on it and reselling it, but if in the future regulations will change, it will be hard(er?) for those companies to claim that certain content was distributed freely etc., in cases where the author explicitly and unequivocally stated the terms.
The content can be freely redistributed provided it is fine in a noncommercial way and with attribution (which is the case, right? We see the comment author).
There’s nothing preventing a Fediverse instance from showing ads, which would commercialize the comments on it.
Furthermore, they’re posting from Lemmy.world. Lemmy.world’s terms of service include this clause:
You waive Lemmy.World and its parent, subsidiaries, affiliates, and all their respective staff, representatives, service providers, contractors, licensors, licensees, and successors from any claims resulting from any action taken by Lemmy.World, and any of the foregoing parties relating to any investigations by either us or by law enforcement authorities.
That goes even further than the usual boilerplate on sites like Reddit that say “you grant us license to do whatever we want with the stuff you post here.”
And besides all that, copyleft licensing (and copyright in general) likely has no relevance to AI training regardless. Copyleft licensing only has power because it grants permission to make copies of something. You can actually reject a copyleft license, if you want, it just means that you can’t make copies of the thing once you’ve rejected the license. But training an AI doesn’t require making copies of anything, it only requires analyzing a copy that you already have. You don’t need permission to analyze something that you can already legally read.
There are of course some interesting court cases currently wending their way through various legal systems, and all sorts of legislation pending in all sorts of different countries, but as things stand right now that CC link is just pointless spam that’s being held up as a totem against witchcraft.
Whats this ‘Freddyverse’ that you speak of? Is it like Costco?
Your posts are being copied and transmitted to everyone regardless of what restrictions you claim you’re putting on them, if you don’t want them used that way then don’t post in the first place.
I’ll be sure to petition the Lemmy web client people to remove the link button from their editor.
Why?
What’s wrong with attaching a Creative Commons license to your comments?
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Just watch that movie again the other night. Good stuff.
Come on, don’t be afraid, answer the question. 😇
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Lol, it just reminded me of that. I don’t care either way, good for you for standing up for shit. I just think anything I say will never have any impact on shit one way or the other. To me it’s like having a conversation on the street and then saying, don’t repeat what I said it’s trademarked, or something. If you’re posting art or actual creative content then fine, you have all reason to say so, but a comment on a discussion online… I’m not trying to copyright my shit takes on everyday speech. If you think for one second anyone cares or will care what we talk about here and now then go ahead, it doesn’t affect me one way or another, but I don’t see the need. That link will not stop anyone for using your words from bot training or whatever.
People don’t record your conversation on the street and sell that audio recording to a company to use to build/program their AI models, without compensating you.
We done?
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What do you mean? I live in one of the most surveillanced places in the world, almost everyone I live around in every house I visit for work has literally paid for the privilege to record everything that happens near their house and is uploaded to computers for God knows what. It’s actually naive to think that not every single aspect of your life is being documented and transmitted into data at this very moment and that a simple link saying don’t do this is going to stop any of it. On top of that what do you mean are we done? I didn’t question anything about what you were doing I asked what the link was you answered me and then I said that was dumb we were done after I said it was dumb.
I don’t. But I do feel bad for you. I suggest trying to find some place where you can live more free, if that’s possible for you.
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I live in California, I can barely manage to be alive here, leaving America is not a reality for me. In fact, getting to California was actually a win for me. It’s not perfect but it’s better than where I was if not financially viable but it’s more where I want to be than where I was.
I have no angst against you or what you’re doing I just don’t really care. My comments will be used (and yours) regardless what I link to and if I didn’t want that happen I would just stop talking online all together rather than linking to something an ai bot won’t give 2 picoseconds of thought to.
Hey, me too. Wait, unless there’s two California’s out there, one where the cameras and microphones up your ass 24/7, and the other one that doesn’t have that?
All snarkeyness aside, I’m sure there’s other places on the planet that has real and true state sponsored surveillance, that doesn’t exist in the US. Maybe you were exaggerating just a tad bit?
If it makes you feel any better, I don’t use any of those products in my home, for the reasons you’ve stated. And I’m severely wishing my phone had a physical button to switch on / off the microphone. But then again, everyone in the US has a phone now, I don’t think that’s just a California thing.
Truly no disrespect meant, but you’re arguing a lot for someone who really doesn’t care. 😇
I’ve heard your points, and I truly wish happiness for you in your future. I grew up here, and I know how things are a lot more expensive today, than they were in the past.
If we can move on now, that would be great. We have derailed the post conversation enough.
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I’m not the OP, but I don’t feel like it would affect the process of harvesting your data or put some burden on the company doing it, since they have big bucks. But at the same time I’m not against it for it can lead to many humorous examples of AI putting this license after it’s replies after learning on your content. It would be the platinum tier absurdity and I’m all for it.
Unless the site has has an overriding license, it does indeed put burden on the AI trainers to exclude it.
However, will they do so unless legally forced to do so? Probably not. And they probably will treat it on a case-by-case basis.
Maybe. For me its a combination of very easy to add the license, hoping fellow coders who create the models will honor a Creative Commons license, and figuring that at some point in the future Congress will get around to passing laws about who owns content, how its labled, and how others can scrape such data. There’s already arguments going on between big corporations about paying to use the content to build the models, so I’m assuming that lobbying is being done right now in that category.
Though honestly I might just get bored some day and talk to my lawyer friend about what I would need to do to test this all out. Boredom is something you have at times, when retired.
lol! I never heard of this, that’s really funny actually.
Now that you mention it, in theory, we could all “black box” input into the models by having wacky stuff in our comments.
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It’s superstitious clutter. Most websites require you to license the content you post to them without those restrictions, and AI training may not even involve copyright in the first place, meaning the license is moot. It just makes you look silly.
Does Lemmy? And is that legal, challenged in a court of law?
Maybe, but its also giving me allot of unexpected entertainment. 🤷
I tend to do what I think is right, and not how that makes me look to others.
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“Lemmy” isn’t a website. I’m not even viewing this from a Lemmy instance, I’m on an mbin server. Do you understand how the Fediverse works? Your posts are being copied and transmitted to everyone regardless of what restrictions you claim you’re putting on them, if you don’t want them used that way then don’t post in the first place.
And if you’re finding this argument about your spam to be entertaining there’s a word for that. I likely shouldn’t be feeding that but this thread is already thoroughly derailed.
Allow me to play devil’s advocate here, but what you are saying about the fediverse seems to be completely compliant with that license. The content can be freely redistributed provided it is fine in a noncommercial way and with attribution (which is the case, right? We see the comment author).
Also, the argument “X is going to be done regardless” applies to all licenses (thinking about open source licenses). There is nothing that physically stops you from taking open source code and violate its license but if you get caught doing so, you are liable.
Maybe today there is nothing that would make anybody accountable about grabbing public data, training AI on it and reselling it, but if in the future regulations will change, it will be hard(er?) for those companies to claim that certain content was distributed freely etc., in cases where the author explicitly and unequivocally stated the terms.
There’s nothing preventing a Fediverse instance from showing ads, which would commercialize the comments on it.
Furthermore, they’re posting from Lemmy.world. Lemmy.world’s terms of service include this clause:
That goes even further than the usual boilerplate on sites like Reddit that say “you grant us license to do whatever we want with the stuff you post here.”
And besides all that, copyleft licensing (and copyright in general) likely has no relevance to AI training regardless. Copyleft licensing only has power because it grants permission to make copies of something. You can actually reject a copyleft license, if you want, it just means that you can’t make copies of the thing once you’ve rejected the license. But training an AI doesn’t require making copies of anything, it only requires analyzing a copy that you already have. You don’t need permission to analyze something that you can already legally read.
There are of course some interesting court cases currently wending their way through various legal systems, and all sorts of legislation pending in all sorts of different countries, but as things stand right now that CC link is just pointless spam that’s being held up as a totem against witchcraft.
Whats this ‘Freddyverse’ that you speak of? Is it like Costco?
I’ll be sure to petition the Lemmy web client people to remove the link button from their editor.
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Again, I’m not even using a Lemmy instance. You’re clearly trolling at this point.
I am, and I’m the one using the editor.
I tend to live by the Golden Rule.
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