And… they’re basically all correct. Linux does run on all sort of machines, even really ancient ones. It has a solid command line environment, or rather lots of them. And it’s astounding powerful. Windows does still blue screen, is currently the best place for gaming, and wow is MS fucking you with Win11. Macs can have a cool setup, are really simplified for most users and expensive.
Macs excel in multimedia creation. It’s not just a cool setup. Yes, I’m prepared for the inevitable downvotes.
Yeah, more software was written for the more user-friendly computers with the (generally) less-technical userbase.
Yeah, the people at Pixar have no clue how to use a computer. Lol
In all seriousness, even the same media software, like Pro Tools, is more versatile on Mac than on Windows. I can say that with first-hand experience.
The “dumbed-down” Apple device is the iPhone. You get admin privileges on MacOS like a big boy. You can use bash or zsh commands in Terminal all you want.
You get admin privileges on MacOS like a big boy. You can use bash or zsh commands in Terminal all you want.
Cool. So try updating to a version of Bash from the last 15 years, because the pre-installed one is Bash 3, because Bash 4 and 5 are under the GPLv3 license, which Apple won’t comply with.
…ah, no, you can’t update the pre-installed Bash, because it’s on a section of the file system that is read-only even with admin access. You can install Bash 5 as a separate shell, and use that as your default terminal shell, but any scripts written with the standard
instead of the more flexiblewill still use Bash 3.This “handholding” (or really, a safety net) is arguably a good thing, or at least a positive tradeoff; but you can’t claim it doesn’t exist.
I agree it’s not as limitless as Linux, but there’s plenty of room for advanced users.
I’ve never needed to use a newer version of Bash. What is an example of something one couldn’t do with Bash 3 or zsh?
I get that this is an Apples to Oranges comparison, but Powershell 7 is way easier to use than the default Windows Powershell because of autocomplete. I imagine that newer versions of Bash have made improvements that are similarly powerful.
Oh, gotcha. I thought you were talking about limitations, not features. My misunderstanding.
It’s not so much a problem of there being things you “can’t do” in other shells or older Bash, as that it breaks existing shell scripts, which is frustrating.
I’m not sure what you mean. I have updated bash with a single homebrew command.
The poster you’re replying to was not referring to 3rd party software in user space.
Ok, yeah, I can see that there would be times this could matter but like 90% of the time this wouldn’t have mattered for my use case afaik. I didn’t realize you couldn’t backup the old copy in /bin and symlink to the brew one from there. In fact I thought I did do that long ago.
If it’s anything like when I used a Mac regularly 7y ago, Homebrew doesn’t install to /bin, it installs to /usr/local/bin, which only works for scripts that use env in their shell “marker” (if you don’t call it directly with the shell). You’re just putting a higher bash in the path, not truly updating the one that comes with the system.
That’s mostly still true, with the small caveat that the default prefix on arm64 macOS is /opt/homebrew rather than /usr/local, so you might have to add it explicitly to your PATH
It’s been a long time since I even did this, and I’ve gotten at least one new machine since. I got several replies so I’ll just link my original response: https://lemmy.world/comment/11431853
Did you read the linked Q&A?
What do you get if you run
/bin/bash --version?It’s been a long time since I even did this, and I’ve gotten at least one new machine since. I got several replies so I’ll just link my original response: https://lemmy.world/comment/11431853
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Did you miss the word “generally?”
Having a familiar console is nice, but you still can’t truly tinker with all the nuts and bolts.
Sure you can. You can even override the T2 chip in Recovery Mode. The thing I miss on an Apple Silicon Mac is installing Windows. It was a big downside for me, so I held onto my Intel Mac until a few years ago. I used to have a tri-boot Mac Pro running Snow Leopard/Windows XP/Red Hat. Then I downgraded to an Intel iMac with macOS/Windows before my M2. I do miss the versatility of Intel Macs.
they actually use linux for render
Weren’t they the guys who made Gimp to Gimp Studio or something like that?
Yeah, the people at Pixar have no clue how to use a computer. Lol
Do you really expect their artists to be IT experts? You seem to be stuck in the early 90s mindset when “knowing how to use a computer” covered all disciplines.
I don’t think I’ll ever be a Mac user but I’ve seen how fast these newer MacBooks edit video on battery power without breaking a sweat (and without eating through the battery).
People focus on “software magic” with Apple but the M chips are serious hardware that a lot of us don’t take seriously because the company that killed the iPod made them.
What’s interesting is the Apple CoreAudio system on iOS and macOS is as good as it is from their experience developing the iPod. For years after the iPod was discontinued, audiophiles were paying top dollar for used iPod Classics, just for the high quality DAC. The low-latency and high quality of CoreAudio is one of the reasons Pro Tools works better on Mac than on Windows.
Oh, I’m well aware. Every few months I search online for used Classics in working condition in my area because that’s a project I’m interested in, but I haven’t committed to it yet. Maybe I should as they are apparently getting expensive and harder to find everywhere.
Do yourself a favor and swap the battery when you do the storage. The most challenging part of the job is carefully prying apart the housing without causing cosmetic damage.
To me, a Linux user, Apple is more of a jail or a pusher. I don’t want to use it because of lock in. Oh, you have an iPod? It’s much better with a Mac. An iPhone? All your friends should also have it, and now we have this special app you can only use properly with other apple users.
No thanks.
The funny thing about apple is just how far they’ve moved away from Jobs’ “vision”.
It was clearly evident when they released the Apple Pencil. Jobs hated Stylus’. one of the reasons he killed the newton, and a reason why the iphone/ipad never originally had one as he was quoted as saying “why would I need a stylus? I have 5 of them on my hand”
I mean Apple is like a cult that worship a dead god who would burn current Apple to the ground and start over if he came back.
Steve jobs also hated keyboards, or at least all the F1-12 keys because “nobody needs them”
About the “5 stylus on my hand”, it really feels like he only ever cared about the lowest common denominator when it came to usability and function. Yes, you have 5 fingers, but to this day fingers lack precision on touch screens, while a pencil stylus is as precise as it can get.
The function keys allow you to access extra features or shortcuts in programs that most people don’t ever use or don’t know might make them slightly quicker if they use the program a lot.
Steve Jobs only seemed to believe in supporting input methods he thought seemed most convenient for most people. Anything else was needlessly complicated and a waste of space. Some of his ideas about that come across as unusual, especially when things like space aren’t as limited.
Jobs also believed that 3.5" was the perfect touchscreen size for the human hand, neglecting the fact that (a) the human hand size varies drastically and (b) people are willing to trade ergonomic perfection for more screen estate because it’s more usable that way.
I always thought the Nintendo DS Lite looked like something Apple manufactured.
Now that I think about it, it’s kinda ironic because Steve Jobs hates the stylus.
Apple looks more like a cult, similar to Scientology. Linux user as well.
Linux is a cult with an exit, apple is a cult that most don’t acknowledge as a cult and there’s no real exit
Well… cults with an exit are just groups of people.
Yes, Linux is mostly just a bunch of passionate people
Was going to say that I don’t have the energy to be passionate about anything these days, but then I realised I’m quite happy - almost passionate, you might say - to turn that dispassion towards large organisations like Microsoft.
Buy our products!
“No.”
Main reason I started using Linux on my computers a few years ago. I also learned some shocking things about privacy that made me wanna switch. Linux runs most stuff someone not in another weird niche could ever want nowadays anyway.
Memes came and go and this picture is still somehow relevant. How old is it? I wouldn’t be surprised if it was 10+ years!
I’m pretty sure Steve Jobs was alive when it was created, so sounds about right.
Apparently Windows users have a very accurate perception of how I use Linux
apparently mac users made a very accurate description of my experiences with windows
Generally I think people that use Linux on their home PCs are more likely to have stuff like multiple screens or loads of gadgets attached to their computer. A lot of Linux users think it’s really cool or like to imagine themselves as someone that does things like lots of complicated data analysis or being an “epic hacker” in their spare time at home. Extra shit on your desk can be genuinely useful if you actually do those kinds of things and add to the aesthetic if you like them.
I see this meme more often than i see my parents
This meme is almost old enough to vote.
Ngl, that Fischer Price setup looks sick. 10/10, would modify into an actual, usable desktop setup.
Especially since it looks like it has an actual graphics tablet attached to it. Granted, it’s probably just aa resistive panel with no display behind it, but still!
Found the Mac user
Linux
After Crowdstrike are we sure it’s not all blue screens in the windows column?
Where do I fit if I use all three?
You fit exiled in the forest by all three.
me:
- runs windows
- has a linux vm
- used to be a mac user (still owns the mac)
- second partition with ms-dos
where tf do i fit???
Based on this graphic, I am a Linux fanboy… despite how I use Macs (though to ssh into Linux:-).
Beware, MacOS was my gateway to Linux.
iTerm2 terminal and homebrew package manager help turn MacOS into a fully functional OS
Did you use an emulator on the Mac first or jump directly? I need to find a good free one that works with the M-series chips.
For some reason I had to use homebrew and it made me discover FOSS and the terminal. I started switching to GIMP, Scribus and others on Mac and ended up jumping to Linux.
FOSS, on whatever platform we install it onto, is indeed the ultimate goal of the human race - sharing is caring and all:-).
Same.
It’s missing my clique… BSD Fans.
That makes sense, because you’re seen by nobody (besides maybe on lemmy sometimes)
Lets be real, we all know the Linux perception is true
(Windows however is the child and the bluescreen as well XD)
The one on the bottom right should be the same as the center right but with “Apple” written instead of “Microsoft”. And maybe with the hand of the character representing Apple reaching in the other’s pocket while doing what he’s doing.
I wish windows were that much fun (Linux fan here)
Cygwin terminal and chocolatey package manager gets windows some missing features in Linux like gnu tools and a non-store based software library.
How Linux Fanboys see Linux:
