I don’t know how you could train people to get out of their cars. The whole situation is bus-ted. Perhaps there’s subway to do it, but I’m at a loss as to how.
We need some action from the bike-ameral legal system. Currently, supporters of public transit are underground, but they need to expose car-centric planning as the utter tram it is.
Yup. Shit, one time I DID take the train up to the city to see a concert. Bit me in the ass hard when I got back to the train station JUST in time to see the last train of the night literally pulling away before my eyes. That was an expensive Uber…
My experience was in Chicago. The train system is pretty good, but it still closes at the end of the night. The concert was at wrigley and I booked it straight to the Metra station afterwards, still missed it.
Yeah the Metra is a commuter rail - it runs to and from the city and suburbs. It doesn’t run all night long - few, if any, commuter rail lines would waste enormous amounts of cash to run that way.
The suburbs are shit. If you want reliable transportation day and night, you need population density to support it. Ergo - you need to live in an actual city - not suburban sprawl.
I just came up with a thought the other day! This would be a decades long approach and I have no idea if it would work. The idea is for generic American cities, that have a few sky scrapers in a downtown and then the burbs.
Start with 3-5 square blocks in the heart of downtown and close the roads. Make them permanently pedestrian only. These roads are typically very wide, so allow food trucks/vendors to occupy a portion of the center. Add bike lanes, and add really good reliable public transit around this area. Let that marinate for a few years, then add another chunk of the same size.
I think you would see this portion of the city become a very popular residential area. Businesses will figure out how to provide amenities where people gather. By starting small you are not requireing people to get rid of their cars, just not use them in certain areas. As this expands you will have a larger and larger portion of the population that finds it inconvenient and expensive to own a car once their needs are met in this ever expanding bubble.
I doubt you could ever get this done, but it’s an idea!
This sounds incredibly similar to Barcelona’s superblocks. Definitely do-able if you get city government on board, there is a proven roadmap to follow.
I just came up with a thought the other day! This would be a decades long approach and I have no idea if it would work. The idea is for generic American cities, that have a few sky scrapers in a downtown and then the burbs.
I should add:
transit costs are expensive. Build them in at the start
I live in an area of mixed-use high-density and it’s done really well: I use the train for everything thats not immediately close-by, all my daily stuff is within a block or two, I’ve rarely driven in 5 years, and while I know the 30-storey buildings above the shops are 97% occupied, I really don’t notice the neighbours.
It’s segregated, rez and biz, but I showed my neighbor how to cope. Now her commute with her kids to daycare is 1 elevator, switch at P4 to the other elevator stack because they both come out in the same room, go back up to the daycare at G to drop the kids off, and walk out to the mètro. Her kids’ commutes are dry, warm and safe, and they’re safely away before she leaves the building.
You don’t even need to ban cars, just add traffic calming that makes the route less convenient for people driving through it. My town did this with a section of a street that went through medium density housing. They changed it from a three-lane one-way street to a two-lane, two-way road with two bike lanes and replaced the stop lights with roundabouts.
Now driving through there takes twice as long as before, which motivates drivers to avoid the area. Since it’s now just the people who live in the area there’s a lot less car traffic. And it’s reasonably close to downtown with plenty of stuff within walking distance.
I don’t know how you could train people to get out of their cars. The whole situation is bus-ted. Perhaps there’s subway to do it, but I’m at a loss as to how.
We need some action from the bike-ameral legal system. Currently, supporters of public transit are underground, but they need to expose car-centric planning as the utter tram it is.
Many people have their choices made for them because there are no practical alternatives.
Yup. Shit, one time I DID take the train up to the city to see a concert. Bit me in the ass hard when I got back to the train station JUST in time to see the last train of the night literally pulling away before my eyes. That was an expensive Uber…
And that’s when you have a train at all. My state has two professional football teams and no internal commuter rail
I dunno Chicago is pretty great. We have both kinds of trans and it’s so kinds of awesome generally speaking
My experience was in Chicago. The train system is pretty good, but it still closes at the end of the night. The concert was at wrigley and I booked it straight to the Metra station afterwards, still missed it.
Yeah the Metra is a commuter rail - it runs to and from the city and suburbs. It doesn’t run all night long - few, if any, commuter rail lines would waste enormous amounts of cash to run that way.
The suburbs are shit. If you want reliable transportation day and night, you need population density to support it. Ergo - you need to live in an actual city - not suburban sprawl.
I mean, most of the L doesn’t run all night, either. Only the Red Line and Blue Line do.
That accounts for a huge portion of the Chicago population.
I just came up with a thought the other day! This would be a decades long approach and I have no idea if it would work. The idea is for generic American cities, that have a few sky scrapers in a downtown and then the burbs.
Start with 3-5 square blocks in the heart of downtown and close the roads. Make them permanently pedestrian only. These roads are typically very wide, so allow food trucks/vendors to occupy a portion of the center. Add bike lanes, and add really good reliable public transit around this area. Let that marinate for a few years, then add another chunk of the same size.
I think you would see this portion of the city become a very popular residential area. Businesses will figure out how to provide amenities where people gather. By starting small you are not requireing people to get rid of their cars, just not use them in certain areas. As this expands you will have a larger and larger portion of the population that finds it inconvenient and expensive to own a car once their needs are met in this ever expanding bubble.
I doubt you could ever get this done, but it’s an idea!
This sounds incredibly similar to Barcelona’s superblocks. Definitely do-able if you get city government on board, there is a proven roadmap to follow.
Step 1: make transit usable.
We’ll re-examine America after that.
I should add:
I live in an area of mixed-use high-density and it’s done really well: I use the train for everything thats not immediately close-by, all my daily stuff is within a block or two, I’ve rarely driven in 5 years, and while I know the 30-storey buildings above the shops are 97% occupied, I really don’t notice the neighbours.
It’s segregated, rez and biz, but I showed my neighbor how to cope. Now her commute with her kids to daycare is 1 elevator, switch at P4 to the other elevator stack because they both come out in the same room, go back up to the daycare at G to drop the kids off, and walk out to the mètro. Her kids’ commutes are dry, warm and safe, and they’re safely away before she leaves the building.
You don’t even need to ban cars, just add traffic calming that makes the route less convenient for people driving through it. My town did this with a section of a street that went through medium density housing. They changed it from a three-lane one-way street to a two-lane, two-way road with two bike lanes and replaced the stop lights with roundabouts.
Now driving through there takes twice as long as before, which motivates drivers to avoid the area. Since it’s now just the people who live in the area there’s a lot less car traffic. And it’s reasonably close to downtown with plenty of stuff within walking distance.
You loosely described Melbourne. But instead of food trucks it’s trams.