Exactly. We won’t. We’ll get specialized video stream over network. I’m not happy about this regression. I understand that was a willing sacrifice to achieve better local performance, but I’m not sure it was worth it.
Their reasoning was that X11 network transparency had been broken for quite some time. If you tried running chrome, most games, or anything with modern hardware acceleration over X11 forwarding, they wouldn’t work.
So, IMHO waypipe is actually an improvement in terms of compatibility, rather than a regression.
You always had the option to send frames over the net using VNC and such. But for many use cases, X over SSH was absolutely fantastic.
I remember using it on a very basic DSL connection to work remotely back in 2005, and it was almost like running local. You don’t get anywhere near the same performance with VNC or RDP.
Yeah, to send it naked over the wire would be nuts, which is why everybody uses SSH. But unless there’s insecurity within the computer, that’s a moot point.
X11 can render individual windows (Xclients) through the network on another Xserver since decades. With XPRA you can even buffer them, to move them from one Xserver to another or make sure they survive network disconnect. It’s very cool, but not widely used.
Did they invent X11 Forwarding over the network?
Btw. when we get wayland forwarding over Network?
waypipeexists, but it’s still not perfect.Never heard about this. Thx.
Neither was X11 so it’s in good company
Btw. when we get wayland
forwarding over Network?Unlike X11, Wayland was never intended to be network transparent. As others say, solutions like waypipe and more tradionally RDP and VNC exist.
Exactly. We won’t. We’ll get specialized video stream over network. I’m not happy about this regression. I understand that was a willing sacrifice to achieve better local performance, but I’m not sure it was worth it.
Their reasoning was that X11 network transparency had been broken for quite some time. If you tried running chrome, most games, or anything with modern hardware acceleration over X11 forwarding, they wouldn’t work.
So, IMHO waypipe is actually an improvement in terms of compatibility, rather than a regression.
You always had the option to send frames over the net using VNC and such. But for many use cases, X over SSH was absolutely fantastic.
I remember using it on a very basic DSL connection to work remotely back in 2005, and it was almost like running local. You don’t get anywhere near the same performance with VNC or RDP.
It’s more about security if I recall correctly
How so? Is there a way for malicious code to start injecting itself into calls to 127.0.0.1?
Sorry, I am not an expert myself, but I think there are some recourses about that in the internet
Or, this file on x.org:
https://www.x.org/wiki/Events/XDC2014/XDC2014DodierPeresSecurity/xorg-talk.pdf
Yeah, to send it naked over the wire would be nuts, which is why everybody uses SSH. But unless there’s insecurity within the computer, that’s a moot point.
X11 can render individual windows (Xclients) through the network on another Xserver since decades. With XPRA you can even buffer them, to move them from one Xserver to another or make sure they survive network disconnect. It’s very cool, but not widely used.
Yes, the
ssh -Xflag forwards it.I doubt it’s nearly as secure as OpenSSH though.
it goes through an SSH tunnel