brain_in_a_box [he/him]

Foreign powers unilaterally divided the country in half, and the actual country itself just has to accept it?

As ever, actual Jewish Holocaust scholars agree with us

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

Not by “assigning a slightly different definition”, just by applying the definition consistently, rather than using the standard.

But you’re still moving the goal posts. They didn’t post the AP article because it’s a credible source on events in Xinjiang (it isn’t). They posted it to demonstrate that even sources extremely biased against China weren’t going as far as making accusations of killings.

So where does it talk about killings in Xinjiang? Or are you trying to move the goal posts.

If we can’t agree that millions of people in the USSR were killed, sent to gulags, and died of famine during Stalin’s leadership

Can we agree that millions of people in the USA were killed, sent to gulags, and died of famine during FDR’s leadership?

I suspect you don’t think that many people died as a result of the great depression

And do you think that people died during the Holodomor?

I do stand by it.

Then do so, don’t try and equivocate.

But it’s not an interesting discussion for me to just go back and forth on a definition.

We were not arguing about definitions.

I’m trying to understand if we can agree on basic facts.

Sure, but don’t expect me to honor a double standard.

Is that from the same anime as your last line?

It’s not not a vote. It’s a classification; they tend to not have perfect clear boundaries, and so one goes with the prevailing opinion of experts.

Which you didn’t do, you instead tried to act like the votes of white European countries were the determinants.

But let’s forget the term “genocide”.

No, you used it, stand by it.

Like trying to reframe my argument as “rich country good, poor country bad”?

No reframing needed, that was just your argument.

You’ve tried to dismiss my argument by misrepresenting it.

So what exactly is your argument?

This level of insecurity shows how shallow your beliefs are.

Lol, what anime did you crib this line from?

34 countries and the EU consider the Holodomor (check your spelling btw) a genocide.

Interesting; and when did they make this entirely non-political determination?

Also, that leaves 161 countries that don’t consider it a genocide. Oh, but let me guess:

I can find… well, you, and nothing else claiming the dust bowl is a genocide.

I didn’t realize that whether something was a genocide or not was decided by vote.

No, it’s that saying one place is worse doesn’t make it so.

Correct, you saying Cuba is worse doesn’t make it so.

Human development index and quality of life studies put the US ahead of Cuba

“Rich country good, poor country bad”

Cuba has better healthcare and lower cost of living, but Americans aren’t on rafts to Cuba.

“Rich country good, poor country bad”

One of the problems with enacting good and lasting change in the western world is that life is pretty darn good on the whole.

Yes, because the West ruthlessly exploits the global south to prop of it’s own standards of living. This is why serious socialist revolutions have mostly only occurred in the Global South.

It could be a lot better, but just shouting that the US is bad is mindless propagada. Be better than that.

Real bad faith framing of your opponents argument there; be better than that.

You know that picture you paint of the holodomer? it’s literally just that, but the USA.

Are you capable of reading and processing information?

Are you?

Nevermind that the Great Depression was a worldwide catastrophe.

Point to where I mentioned the Great Depression.

Nevermind that it’s thousands vs millions of people.

What methodology did you use to determine your numbers? And why would it matter anyway? Is it not a genocide if it’s bellow a certain amount?

There wasn’t just one famine

Yes there was, unless you’re counting the one caused by the Nazis flattening half of it, in which case I’m just going to write you off as a Nazi apologist.

but a shitload of things causing the deaths of millions of people, many of which were fucking executions.

Yes, that is indeed true of the USA, so why is the Dust Bowl “Just a thing that happened”, but the famine that happened in the same time period in the USSR not?

“I have no argument that you can’t refute, so I’m just going to behave in bad faith”

Millions of people died as a direct result of Stalin’s policies and actions.

And the dust bowl was the direct result of the US governments policies and actions, so why is only one of them “a thing that happened,” you raging hypocrite?

So once again, your argument is “rich country good, poor country bad”

“Rich country good, poor country bad!”

Very astute political analysis there