• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    Wife and I have a longstanding argument over whether free-will exists.

    I say it does and she has no choice but to say otherwise.

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      Consider this, free will can still be pre-planned. We can choose what we want to do, so what if it was pre planned? I still chose it.

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        Why do we need to bother executing it then? Choice has no value if agency to exercise it is revoked at any stage.

            • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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              When I get my ballot with an uncontested seat, I can still choose whether to check the box. Even though it doesn’t impact the outcome at all, I still have the choice on whether to check the box. Even if I am completely restrained and my movements are forced, I still have the choice of whether to accept or resist that action, even if it’s just a mental protest.

              So I don’t think there’s ever a case where there are no other options, but there are plenty of situations where there are no other good options (e.g. cake or death), but that doesn’t restrict your free will, it just restricts your options.

        • theoretiker@discuss.tchncs.de
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          I want to rebuke you but you name is even more triggering. There is no linear chaos, you need non-linearities or discontinuities for chaos.

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            Glad I could be of use.

            The concept behind linear chaos is that the chaos is bound at one point. The theoretical cone of influence can only move in one direction and widen at a set rate. Kind of a mashup of chaos over time.

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                1 month ago

                Yeah, chaos crops up in linear systems sometimes in unexpected places.

                There are a couple of scientific papers on it, and at least one textbook. Even at that I’m not sure it’s a well-accepted theory, but the idea suits me.

    • JackbyDev@programming.dev
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      One time I was talking about this with my friends. I said I believe it exists and they all laughed and said “particles have rules, you’re made of particles.” 🥺