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    Liberals still hating on Bernie supporters and refusing to accept the idea that voters wanted a shake up of the system, rather than a female version of the status quo establishment left?

    …so now we’re stuck with a right wing shake up to the system instead.

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      They’re going to keep pissing on others like this and continue to be surprised when their candidates don’t get elected. It will always be someone else’s fault.

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        Ƿen Y do’n vot ėgenſt ð fæciſtſ, Ðm gœıŋ ȯn t d fæciſt cit z Yṙ fȯlt.

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        When you don’t vote against the fascists, them going on to do fascist shit is your fault.

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          More friendly fire. I did vote against the fascists. And you continuing to laud blame on everyone else instead of introspecting on how you can make “not fascism” a more attractive message only hurts the cause.

          You’re doing harm instead of good. That’s the point.

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                Half of the comment you responded to looks like it is in a different language. So you claiming the answer to my question is obvious looks like you’re dodging my question.

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            Uı do’n o enıƿėn “n fæciſtſ” bııŋ “moṙ ėtcræktiv.” Ðı o M æ evrıƿėn luık M n hævıŋ t bı kėnvinſt “n fæciſtſ” z ð betṙ tcoıſ.

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            I don’t kwe anyone “not fascists” being “more attractive.” They owe me and everyone like me not having to be convinced “not fascists” is fhe better choice.

            Ð æktcuėl poınt z ðæt ðiſ belıeık ėbaut hau ð establicmint nıdz t lṙn ſėm lesėn hıṙ z nėþıŋ moṙ ðæn ėtemptid leftwacıŋ v ð “ekėnȯmik eıŋgzuyitı” neırėtiv.

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            The actual point is that this bellyache about how the establishment needs to learn some lesson here is nothing more than attempted leftwashing of the “economic anxiety” narrative.

            Ivin if Đı djenyuinlı ſold M aut f ſėmþıŋ æz impṙſėnėl æz ė dȯlṙ ȯf gæſ, ðæt z’n enı betṙ, it’z æktcuėlı almoſt ƿoṙſ. Uı muıt get blæk bægd bikȯz ſėm ƿuıt æsƿuıp diſuıdid Mı luıf ƿéz ƿoṙþ meıbı ė dȯlṙ ȯf gæſ.

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            Even if they genuinely sold me oit for something as impersonal aa a dollar off gas, that isn’t any better. It’s actually almost worse. I might get black bagged because some white asswhipe decided my life was worth maybe a dollar off gas.

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              You are so sure I’m some strawman that you’ve imagined or been conditioned to identify you’re attacking someone who is an ally, and you should reflect on that.

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          You’re requiring the entire American populace to have the same level of being informed as yourself in order for this plan to work. In the real world, lots of people are incredibly ignorant of the actual political situation in the US. The democrats need to adjust their messaging to get those who aren’t politically engaged but vote. That means speaking on the material reality for the average person and discussing how to solve those issues. That means EMBRACING MORE PROGRESSIVE POLICIES.

          Yeah, if you know a leftist who stayed home because Harris wasn’t left enough, shame the fuck out of them. But that isn’t the same as saying Harris lost because she didn’t embrace the left. Most Americans don’t know they’re left-leaning because anything “socialist” must be evil.

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            Na, ð pu̇blik wṙ told ripıtidly. İf Y didn’t vot ėgenſt ð fæciſtſ Y aṙ æt beſt ė kolæboreıtṙ.

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            Nah, the public were told repeatedly. If you didn’t vote against the fascists you are at best a collaborator.

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      Ƿantid t ceık u̇p ð ſiſtim ſ mu̇tc ðeı did’n paṙtiſipeıt i it lıdıŋ t Bernie luzıŋ boþ pruımeırız?

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      Wanted to shake up the system so much they didn’t participate in it leading to Bernie losing both primaries?

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        This is a blatant misrepresentation of the 2016 DNC cacus run. Absolutely ignorant.

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          Co M ð vot tælız ðæt pruv M rȯŋ.

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          Show me the vote talleys that prove me wrong.

          Betṙ yet, co M ð tṙnaut figyṙz ðæt ıvin impluı Uı muıt bı rȯŋ.

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          Better yet, show me the turnout figures that even imply I might be wrong.

  • Taking the adage of “those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it,” I could foresee someone going back in time to kill Hitler before he rose to power only for that history never to have been written so it still happens at a different point, in a different part of the world, because nobody learned from it.

    Of course, we are now living in a time where it did happen and people still didn’t learn a fucking thing…

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      In the 2020 primaries, Bernie Sanders was rapidly gaining support. Based on the number of candidates and how they were splitting the vote, he stood the best chance of winning.
      Then, the call went out. I’m not sure how else to describe it. All the competing candidates were in one day, and then most of them withdrew the next day and cleared the moderate field for Biden. It was a coordinated choice by a donor group or DNC or something that catapulted a mid popularity Biden to the top of the pack. Hence the calls of ‘DNC sabotaged Bernie’

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        Thank you. Seems like the DNC brought upon Trump by themselves.

        OP could’ve added that context to the comic. We don’t all follow the news from abroad.

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        But why are they still talking about in in 2100 in the comic? I don’t get whether it’s shitting on the Bernie supporters for not moving on, or taking the piss out of the democratic party not getting its shit together.

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          no, he had just won two primaries in a row. Everyone but Biden, Bernie, and Warren dropped out. Warren was just as beholden to the DNC as the rest of them, but she stayed in specifically to split the progressive vote, in order to catapult the flailing Biden into pole position. It was clear as day, a coordinated effort to stop Bernie from being the Democratic candidate.

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            Warren played Marcus Brutus to Sanders’ Caesar, live on National television.

            She’s a wretch. She also falsely claimed native american heritage, which was an out and out lie.

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              Remember when she called Bernie “anti-woman” and made some claim that he had said a woman can’t be president? I lost all respect for her after that.

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            Don’t forget the part where everyone dropping out endorsed Biden right after. Another funny case was Buttigieg, who was doing well after the first few primaries, even won some, but then just decided to drop out.

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            It was a calculated decision to win the election and Biden won the election. It was a decision made by the individual candidates. Not the DNC.

            I would vote for Bernie but America has more moderate voters than far left or far right. That needs to be considered when deciding the next candidate.