I saw a post that talked about racism towards people and when I talked about it the response I got was very heated and a person even called lemmy.world a community of ‘hitlerites’
I have been around for a week or so and this is my first time seeing such explicit vulgar reaction towards another community, is this a one-off or should I block hexbear?
You either block them and die a liberal or you engage and observe and live long enough to start spreading their agitprop and using your new pronoun “comrade” as you lead the way to glorious revolution.
(Seriously though, they’re just people on a leftist political instance. You’ll get the good, bad, and weird, same as any other place).
I just took a look at your participation in the hexbear thread you are referencing, and I’m confused about the issue. Seems like you got mostly thoughtful and positive replies. There was some .world bashing at the end including the bit you quoted. It seems strange to me that rather than ask questions about hexbear to the actual users there, you came over here to ask on an instance that has daily threads complaining about leftist instances.
Hexbear users will bully you to hell the very second you say something they disagree with. In my case, I said South Park is a funny show. They also think Putin is a good guy and at the same time they pretend 90% of their users are trans. Basically it’s a bunch of douche kids playing revolutionaries and intimating anyone they disagree with. My 2 cents.
I’ve never seen anybody on hexbear say Putin is a good guy. And it seems pretty transphobic to say that they’re just pretending to be trans.
I’ve never seen anybody on hexbear say Putin is a good guy
Well I’ve seen a lot of user refusing to say he’s a authoritarian dictator so it’s basically saying he’s a good guy.
The same thing goes with refusing to vote Harris: that was basically saying you don’t mind letting Epstein’s closest friend rule the country because you don’t want to vote for a “lib”. Good job.
And again, I didn’t say people are pretending to be trans, I said I don’t trust Internet polls, especially anything that mones from hexbear. It seem hard to understand for you, but it’s not the same.
Now here’s my question: are you trans yourself? Because if you’re not, that would be incredibly transphobic and discriminating from you to pretend you can speak in the name of a minority group. Please reassure me.
Look man, if you’re just going to engage in this kind of wildly bad faith behavior, I really don’t see any point in continuing to engage.
I agree that this is not going anywhere But I’m not speaking in bad faith, I’m sharing observations from interactions I had with Hexbear users. Maybe you should ask yourself why, on a left-leaning website like Lemmy, almost all the instances have chosen to dissociate from Hexbear. Maybe if you believe everyone around you sucks, you’re the one that does.
Also, why can you just answer my last question? It’s a fair question since every god damn time the hexbear subject is brought, people like you call tranpshobic anyone who dares to criticize it. I will give you much more credibility on the subject if being trans is your reality. BTW, why would you call me “man”? Bold of you to assume that I’m a man.
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Lots of accusations but can’t answer questions.
Cis man declares himself the arbiter of trans-ness, only trans people who agree with him politically are valid. (He’s an ally okay, don’t point out his rampant transphobia or he gets pissy)
Yerbouti is a thin-skinned french canadian who is still bitter to this day that he went to a chapo show and they made fun of french canadians.
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I’m saying I don’t believe anything that comes from Hexbear, and I definitely do not believe half of their users are trans. I already had that discussion so I have 0 interest in discussing with you people. People don’t magicaly become transphobe just because you said so, stop appropriating other people’s reality. And yes, most of their users are tankies pro-putin and pro Chinese government.
“You people”, huh?
The claim that they’re pro-Putin relies on no one actually going there to check, because they very much aren’t.
Also yeah, denying people’s identity just because you disagree with their politics is pretty transphobia
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It’s not what I’m doing. I’m saying I give this survey as much credibility as any internet survey: none.
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Thanks but I prefer to take advices on trans reality directly from trans people. Meanwhile you can keep rely on username like “che_superstar97”(btw haven’t we met before Cowbee?). Oh, and have you heard, the proudboys just release an internal survey, 98% of them are not racist.
This person (yerbouti) is an embarrassment, thinks it’s OK to be a reactionary so long as you pick safe targets.
I’d post my fucking estradiol bottle but 1. meds/diagnosis aren’t a requirement to be trans 2. I don’t owe transphobes like you shit
Nobody is saying that a particular actual person is lying about being trans. Its unusual because its literally 100x the incidence of identifying as trans as the population wherein the community is broadly left on many topics not focused entirely on trans issues.
Adding the fact that its an internet poll one can easily suspect that the poll is inaccurate as is incredibly commonly in any such polls.
Suspecting someone’s polling methodology is poor isn’t the same as questioning their identity. It isn’t transphobic
Nobody is saying that a particular actual person is lying about being trans. Its unusual because its literally 100x the incidence of identifying as trans as the population wherein the community is broadly left on many topics not focused entirely on trans issues.
It’s a trans inclusive space on the internet that actually enforces rules against transphobia (unlike on .world). I don’t see why it’s odd for it to have a much higher representation of trans people when the rest of the internet is an absolute shithole of transphobia.
Yerbouti just likes to be bigoted when the target is ‘safe’, like a political enemy. It’s embarrassing and not ‘ally’ behavior by any stretch.
100x is ridiculously unrealistic it’s what you would expect for a community that was literally about being trans vs what one would expect from a community that accepts trans people.
Hexbear must be about being trans then, there’s archives going back 4+ years of them doing stuff like having people read lit like you’ll find in any IRL trans space.
Meanwhile on places that just ‘accepts’ trans people it’s bannable for calling out transpobia
I love going there and bullying them. Its my fav pass time when they had enough they just delete all my post cause they are malding! They also like to call it their platform which I always correct them on …
To be clear, your posts are largely removed not just from Hexbear but other instances for rampant misogyny and general manosphere talking points, as well as getting into constant fights with other users.
Thank you for your interest in me.
They mandate trigger warnings for pictures of cheese.
Base line Lemmy has a left skew. Hexbear people are the basis for probably a quarter of conservatives talking points.
Note: being on Lemmy for about a year, I didn’t live through the early days of this place. Here’s what I can recollect, as neutrally given as possible.
TL;DR The recent conflicts between two politically different groups on Lemmy have radicalized many people, and many Hexbear residents in particular. Unless you are to discuss the far-left ideas and are very radical about disadvantaged groups, you are safe to block it.
Hexbear is a far-left (as in actually communist) anti-discrimination community, initially more of a safe haven to promote equality and foster a healthy and welcoming place for leftists to come together.
With core developers of Lemmy also being far-left, Hexbear naturally fitted the landscape along with the official Lemmy.ml, heavy far-left Lemmygrad.ml and others.
As time went on, however, all sorts of left-leaning and apolitical folks, not just far-left, came to the platform, filling other instances like Lemmy.world (now the most populated of them all), sh.itjust.works and many others.
As a result, Lemmy has two groups of people with radically different political views: one is a group of more or less organized far-left, and the other is everyone else, most commonly liberals. This distinction has caused a lot of conflicts and heated discussions based on political adherence.
Most notable case is latest US elections. The far left side generally called not to vote Democrat as Biden has failed to deliver on many of his promises and empowered Israel to commit war crimes in Palestine, while the liberal audience called to vote Democrat to not let Republicans take the lead, which may arguably lead to an even worse outcome than unaccountable Dems can make.
This divide has raised a lot of mutual hostility, brigading, and uncivil behavior, which has radicalized many on both sides of the conflict, the consequences of which you have got to experience.
What to do with that is up to you to decide. Hexbear is very politically uniform and very political overall, so if you’re not here to discuss communism, you won’t lose much and will gain additional peace of mind.
Also Hexbear and Lemmygrad were populated by r/chapotraphouse and r/GenZedong users respectively when those subreddits got banned, which happened before the main Reddit exodus that populated instances like .world
This is by far the best and most informative answer. The only thing it’s missing as another couple commenters pointed out is hexbear is all about their oversized memes and emojis, making anytime you happen upon one of their posts extremely conspicuous (even if politics aren’t being discussed).
The oversized emoji bug was fixed, by the way. They display normally now on other instances.
I’m being a little pedantic here, but “far left (as in actually communist)” wasn’t a thing until these recent online debates and forming groups started putting labels on groups and putting them into boxes. Communists are not necessarily left, nor far left. It feels a bit weird to ‘put’ them anywhere. That said, I know nothing about hexbear or this little group on Lemmy and how they identify…
It is unclear what this excerpt is meant to demonstrate.
By default, the terms “left” and “right” are describing the level of economic equality/freedom in a given society. The left call for economic equality and redistribution of resources, either through peaceful cooperation and abundance or through heavy state intervention, the right stands for private property above equality and freedom to act in personal financial interest.
Communists hold economic equality as paramount and vital for society, and put it above all else; in a perfect communist world, everyone always has access to everything that is available in an economy, and as such, there is no money (you can already take anything you need) and no point to privatize anything as there’s no revenue to speak of.
Thereby, communism is far left.
I assume the rest of it would explain how Stalinism created an economic and social heirarchy at express odds with real Marxism but that still leaves you with real communists being the left. The author is ultimately crying about humanity’s insistence that words mean things and trying to take the word communist away from communists.
communists are on the left, not sure the page you linked is making the case for anything other than American political scientists being extremely unserious
Cold War brain rot just ruined a generation of thought. My dad was a never-Trumper that called Trump a communist.
Bro tf?
What do you believe “leftism” means? I can’t see a world where an ideology based on public ownership, collectivization, and working class liberation could be seen not as left.
A label, in all honesty. Historically they’re not left nor right nor middle. They can have ideologies of many, but too long to get into here. I was being pedantic because it’s a slight bug of mine when they are labelled and boxed like that. For example Nikolai Bukharin and Alexei Rykov (Bukharinists) and others like Joseph Stalin were not considered left but were communist.
Bukharin was considered “right” from the standpoint of a far-left ideology, as a point of comparison to the standard party line. That’s like saying -5 is a positive number because it is closer to positive numbers than -10.
Tankies
It’s an instance meant to seem attractive to western youths while explicitly only serving the needs of the Chinese Dictatorship.
Most of their users are bots, human decency is their kryptonite. If ever you are convinced that any of them are your friends, you’re just another mark they intend to make full use of and throw away: you are not a human being in the eyes of Hexbear.
They seem like grad users in the fact that no one outside their instance wants to federate with their toxic instance. Who would’ve guessed that a highly charged instances calls people “Hitlerites” as an insult. (Obv I lack context here regarding the comment.)
“A self help group for people who struggle with solvent abuse.”
Best answer in this thread.
It’s an instance that became known for brigading other instances to “dunk” on anyone who has remotely different ideas than they do, as well as spamming oversized emojis and pictures of pigs shitting on their own testicles. They have been defederated by most instances for good reason, as they always showed up enmasse to completely derail discussion and their own stated purpose of federating with other instances was to “dunk on liberals and dismantle Western propaganda”. Their users would harass people in DMs for weeks on end if that person said something they didn’t like. I was there to see this happen in several instances before they all defederated from Hexbear and it almost made me quit Lemmy entirely.
Below are some examples of various instances considering federating with Hexbear, only for Hexbesr’s users to cause enough problems to get defederated. The threads themselves are best viewed from an instance that federates with Hexbear in order to see the awful behaviour for yourself, and the lemmy.ca thread has several more examples of this.
https://lemmy.ca/post/3326347 https://lemm.ee/post/4543536 https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/2017079 https://lemmy.world/post/249833
Do note that a lot of Hexbear users have alternate accounts on lemmy.ml and midwest.social (because nobody wants to federate with Hexbear), and a lot of these people will be in this very thread trying to defend Hexbear. Don’t be fooled by them. Hexbear is a toxic cesspit.
Seems this post is being brigaded by hexbear alts fyi
Learn how federation works
Learn how not to seethe.
Learn how not to cope
what really
Yep lots of pro hex comments appeared as I was posting from accounts with little comment history but aged accounts. Probably some loser with a dozen
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You need better hobbies man
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lol ok hen
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Nah that’s just Antiyanks again. They have hundreds of accounts.
They/them or is Antiyanks a thing?
Antiyanks is a user who gets banned constantly and keeps making new accounts over and over. If you see a brand new account that attacks other people and quickly gets banned, that’s them. Their usernames usually insult the admins or Americans and they tend to use small instances for new accounts making them very easy to spot.
They claim to have hobbies outside of insulting people on Lemmy, but I find that very hard to believe given how dedicated they are to it. They were already up to over 30 accounts just 2 months ago.
I don’t think I’ve ever noticed this guy and I’m terminally online. Midwest.social admins win again I guess.
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It’s something every sane person should block as soon as they join Lemmy.
It’s a tankie instance. You’re not missing anything important or reality-based by blocking it. You should also block lemmy.ml.
In fact, you should block everything and everyone expect for a small walled garden of committed neoliberals
ITT: everyone says they’re bad without giving any examples, telling you what to think instead of letting you form your own conclusions.
ITT: the example is in the past and OP is asking why they’re bad.
If there’s no link it’s not an example it’s an anecdote.
Worse moderation than Reddit subs. Will ban any views that don’t fit their narratives. Just got a server wide ban for giving links showing how the ceasefire was reached by promising the right wing factions more of the West Bank as Trumps largest donor intended.
You know mod logs on Hexbear are public, right? It’s very, very clear that “giving links” is not why you were banned.
Yes I’m aware. Please quote or link whatever you think is ban worthy. Nice alt btw.
They’re decent people as long as you don’t argue politics with them… I think
Sometimes I like hexbear, agree with them and laugh with them, and sometimes their insular attitude makes me cringe. I am very critical of the democratic establishment in the US but hexbear’s “blueMAGA” talk is really offputting to me and sounds like the incel / redpill speak from parts of reddit and other online communities.
It truly depends on your own political views. What do you consider yourself?
Hexbear is pretty overwhelmingly queer/trans and anarchist/communist.
If you’ve never run into a transfem communist IRL it’s probably because you’re not in many queer or left wing organizing spaces.
I’m actually pretty new to Lemmy in the last year and in that time I’ve seen way more .world posters being toxic about .ml/hexbear and making vague posts about how bad they are. I have to imagine that’s why you’re now seeing backlash to .world. Also most of the time I see people complaining about these instances and I dig into the modlog it’s overwhelmingly because they got banned at some point for being reactionary and are bent out of shape about it.
Here’s my take…
They’re more cohesive and insular than most groups you’ll find on social media.
They’ve brewed their own strongly held culture and ideology.
Many are also used to being ostracised by other communities due to sexual preferences or other personal attributes.
The result is, if you naively post in a thread in which they are active your opinion will get stomped on if it does not directly align with theirs.
Many are also used to being ostracised by other communities due to sexual preferences or other personal attributes.
Based on their polling, most are trans and based on reading their posts for the last year, most are sick of the rampant transphobia on pretty much every social media platform, including on lemmy
Yes, that’s what I said, only more delicately.
You’ll find a good amount of transphobia on this post too, proving them correct. One user is directly attacking trans users by claiming that the trans user is “faking it” and attacked another user by defending chasers, calling chasers “allies.”
It’s really everywhere for those with the eyes to see.
Absolutely, and despite reporting many of them they seem to stay up.
