I don’t know about y’all, but if I grew up in a country that never has the news criticizing its leaders, I’d be very skepical and deduce that there is censorshop going on and the offical news could be exaggerated or entirely falsified. Do people in authoritarian countries actually just eat the propaganda? To what extent do they believe the propaganda?

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    There’s a third type. People like me see the propaganda everywhere, get a sad laugh out of it every time, and go about my day dodging rain drops and replacing alternators.

    IDGAF

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      If you see propaganda everywhere, the it was successful on you. One purpose of propaganda is to erode the fundamental trust in society and sow distrust about anything and anyone, that way people become politically ineffective and easy to manipulate.

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        I don’t have any significant distrust in society in general, just a heavy distrust of the greedy oligarchs in positions of power.

        Meanwhile, the orange turd posted an AI generated image of himself as the next pope…

        https://youtube.com/watch?v=5AvLxeTvivY

        Go ahead and read some comments there, he done offended even the atheists out there!

        I’m not a governor, attorney, judge, senator, etc in any position to directly do anything about the crooked powers in charge, but as a citizen, I guess this is the best I can do, share the news.

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      Toupee fallacy. Just because you can recognize some of the propaganda, it doesn’t mean you can recognize all of it. You’re not aware of what flies under the radar while still influencing you.

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        I don’t have anything influencing me except my roommate and my mom, and that’s usually just helping keep their vehicles running, carrying groceries, taking the trash out, and bathing the dog.

        I see the politics and propaganda every day, I just don’t give a fuck. Nothing I can do about it anyways.

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          Ah so you’ve fallen for the propaganda that says you don’t have the power to change anything, that’s just what the small number of elites want the large number of masses to think

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            I’ve helped the NSA return stolen laptops, and risked my life putting out a forest fire with my hoodie before it got a chance to reach the dead grass field.

            Of course there’s things I can and have done to help change the world, but politics ain’t quite my thing.

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              You’re contradicting yourself my dude. You give enough of a fuck to help people. Doing things for your community is a political action. Maybe you just haven’t gotten the chance to understand your political leanings

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                  sorry for belaboring the point but

                  That’s probably due to propaganda

                  You should check out some ideologies. You probably realize, but there’s way more than red vs blue. You kind of sound like an anarchist. You don’t necessarily have to give yourself a strict label, but it’s a good idea to see what they’re about. That’s why I say political leanings, because it’s possible to find ideas you latch onto that don’t all fit neatly into one camp. Or don’t and just continue to do the actions you feel led to.

                  And thank you for being receptive

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          So you’ve been propagandized into thinking there’s nothing you can do, so you shouldn’t care.

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      Bold of you to assume you recognize every piece of propaganda for what it truly is. And that you have a choice to just ignore it. It often feels like we are in control of what we give attention to and what we choose to retain as factual knowledge but we’re not.

      The best we can do is try to recognize when some piece of information, or source, we believe may not be as valid as it once appeared and try to rectify our beliefs moving forward. It’s a never ending job. But if you want to actually have beliefs based in fact there’s no other option.

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        I believe in mathematics and schematics. I also believe in the right to repair.

        I do not believe in invisible deities and I don’t trust most politicians.

        Edit: And I damn sure don’t trust AI!

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          Those are like the most superficial layer of propaganda. The real danger of propaganda is that it doesn’t look like it, it looks like other regular people making you support their interests without you realizing it.

          Do you like engines? Do you dislike electric vehicles? Do you like guns? If so, when and where did those ideas come from? You weren’t born with them.

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            The real propaganda is money.

            Like, whoever designed the idea of rent (which is basically a safe place to perform the biological function of sleep and store your stuff).

            You don’t own a damn thing anymore, nor do I. But for real, whoever invented the concept of rent, invented the concept of taxing humans for the right to sleep in a safe space.

            Edit: Do you own the dirt under your feet?

            Didn’t think so.

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                  I am against the concept of individuals or legal entities owning property, it belong to everyone. However, if you take something from the society in order to be allowed to used it exclusively for a while, you ought to give something back, that is what tax is for.

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                  You can debate that in court. But if you steal a bucket of my dirt, the police will come, take it from you, and give it back to me. I’d call that ownership.

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                    Where I’m from, they’d probably confiscate said dirt as evidence, charge the person with trespassing and some sort of misdemeanor property theft, and you’d never see your dirt again, as it was evidence in a crime.

                    It’s not your dirt, it’s the government’s dirt.

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                    Wow, the police where you live must be either pretty good, or pretty bored. If someone stole a bucket of dirt from my garden and I rang the police about it, I genuinely think they’d laugh at me… Honestly so would I.