If arousal isn’t a real thing and it’s the fault of the person being aroused, would that suggest total nudity should be ok as well?
Remember this whole discussion is about discrimination. So what you’re asking is “In contexts where full male body nudity is arbitrarily deemed acceptable, why wouldn’t full female body nudity be acceptable as well?”
And the answer, of course, is that there’s no reason to make a distinction, is there?
Well yes. In the same context there are varying degrees of nakedness. A man only need his pants off to be able to describe him as exposing himself, you know exactly what’s going on and the rest is kind of irrelevant. Whereas with a woman you would have to specify as to whether she is exposing her genitals or breasts.
Whereas with a woman you would have to specify as to whether she is exposing her genitals or breasts.
I feel like we’re kind of looping back to the beginning here - why do you think a woman would have to specify that? Why is it reasonable to burden 50% of the human population with that obligation?
It’s the same reason wokeness has become used as almost a slur. Being aware of social injustices is great when it’s based in reason. The reasoning falls apart when I am legally being forced to pretend something is something when it’s not. The trans issue is reasonable until you get a situation where someone can change their gender day to day and I now become forced to pretend. The same idea for breasts, I’m being forced to pretend like almost all women use them as sex organs regularly. It’s hard because they are multipurpose. Would you say an unerect penis is not obscene and acceptable to be shown in public and in the presence of children? Just because it’s not being used as a sex organ in the moment doesn’t mean it doesn’t still carry some significance.
It’s the same reason wokeness has become used as almost a slur. Being aware of social injustices is great when it’s based in reason. The reasoning falls apart when I am legally being forced to pretend something is something when it’s not. The trans issue is reasonable until you get a situation where someone can change their gender day to day and I now become forced to pretend. The same idea for breasts, I’m being forced to pretend like almost all women use them as sex organs regularly. It’s hard because they are multipurpose. Would you say an unerect penis is not obscene and acceptable to be shown in public and in the presence of children? Just because it’s not being used as a sex organ in the moment doesn’t mean it doesn’t still carry some significance.
I’m convinced there’s some kind of culture clash happening here because I feel like I truly wasn’t able to follow most of that.
What does “changing gender day to day” mean and what would it force you to pretend?
For that matter, what is that force? I think the only force we’ve talked about before is the legislation that specifically forces women to behave differently from men but I don’t think that’s what you mean. Taking that legislation away, for example, would take away that force after all, it wouldn’t introduce a new one.
I do not think that breasts are or ever have been, on any creature or in any sense of the word, considered a sex organ. Is that really what you meant?
I do not think it’s really relevant to the topic at hand but I can straightforwardly answer a straightforward question: I do not consider a penis, unerect or erect, to be either obscene or unfit to be visible in public, no matter the ages involved. It’s a penis, half the people have them.
If arousal isn’t a real thing and it’s the fault of the person being aroused, would that suggest total nudity should be ok as well?
Remember this whole discussion is about discrimination. So what you’re asking is “In contexts where full male body nudity is arbitrarily deemed acceptable, why wouldn’t full female body nudity be acceptable as well?”
And the answer, of course, is that there’s no reason to make a distinction, is there?
Well yes. In the same context there are varying degrees of nakedness. A man only need his pants off to be able to describe him as exposing himself, you know exactly what’s going on and the rest is kind of irrelevant. Whereas with a woman you would have to specify as to whether she is exposing her genitals or breasts.
I feel like we’re kind of looping back to the beginning here - why do you think a woman would have to specify that? Why is it reasonable to burden 50% of the human population with that obligation?
It’s the same reason wokeness has become used as almost a slur. Being aware of social injustices is great when it’s based in reason. The reasoning falls apart when I am legally being forced to pretend something is something when it’s not. The trans issue is reasonable until you get a situation where someone can change their gender day to day and I now become forced to pretend. The same idea for breasts, I’m being forced to pretend like almost all women use them as sex organs regularly. It’s hard because they are multipurpose. Would you say an unerect penis is not obscene and acceptable to be shown in public and in the presence of children? Just because it’s not being used as a sex organ in the moment doesn’t mean it doesn’t still carry some significance.
I’m convinced there’s some kind of culture clash happening here because I feel like I truly wasn’t able to follow most of that.
What does “changing gender day to day” mean and what would it force you to pretend?
For that matter, what is that force? I think the only force we’ve talked about before is the legislation that specifically forces women to behave differently from men but I don’t think that’s what you mean. Taking that legislation away, for example, would take away that force after all, it wouldn’t introduce a new one.
I do not think that breasts are or ever have been, on any creature or in any sense of the word, considered a sex organ. Is that really what you meant?
I do not think it’s really relevant to the topic at hand but I can straightforwardly answer a straightforward question: I do not consider a penis, unerect or erect, to be either obscene or unfit to be visible in public, no matter the ages involved. It’s a penis, half the people have them.