What a cringe title. I love bazzite - I run my PC I just built exclusively on it! - but microsoft doesn’t give 2 shits about it. I highly doubt they give Bazzite any thought.
SteamOS scares the shit out of them, though, given that they’re creating a “competitor”.
SteamOS does not scare the shit out of them at all. Microsoft’s money is in dominating the business world. They like being in the video game world but it’s only a portion of their portfolio whereas Valve is all in. Plus SteamOS didn’t hurt them last time, why would they believe it will this time? Maybe it will, but unfortunately smart money is not betting against microsoft on this. Valve will continue to nibble at the edges and expand linux gaming, which is awesome, but look what it’s taken to get to just under 5% of the gaming market (that’s ALL of linux btw, not SteamOS).
Until Valve offers commercial offerings (never) I think M$ isn’t losing sleep. They aren’t even on the same plane in terms of scale and resources. They’re competing for handheld pc gaming, but it’s not high stakes for microsoft at all.
It’s not really fair to talk about SteamOS 2 and compare it to 3. The original concept tried console gaming and failed, because it was banking on devs porting games to native Linux. With Proton, things are a very different beast.
Windows is unlikely to be unthroned from gaming king, but Linux has grown quarter over quarter and Valve very clearly is expanding into multiple partners with Lenovo’s new SteamOS handheld.
Having a competitor in this space will hopefully get Microsoft to stop being complacent.
Yeah and they unleashed some not and trolls to critic Linux gale experience, saying that Xbox give more performance and play more games. Comparing Xbox to steamdeck but melt down and go for personnal insult pr deforming ypur words when you tell them to compare a Xbox with a linux PC with same specs than xbox
Hmm, interesting. Is there perhaps one weird trick to using it?
You wouldn’t believe it!
Paragraph 3 will shock you!
This UGLY son of a bitch is playing SUPER FUN games and basically, YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID
How? …Just install this Linux distro >
I think it’s a great OS and it’s absolutely amazing how far Linux Gaming has come even in the last few years. Personally, I have to say I’m not a huge fan of Bazzite’s immutability-based design. I know there are pros and cons, and they just don’t balance for me. I’m a tinkerer, I like to play with the OS internals and have full control of them. Sometimes that causes problems, but it also causes learning, and I like to learn how the OS works and what it’s doing “under the hood” and in my mind Linux is great for that and that’s part of the appeal. For a lot of people, an immutable OS is probably the right way to go, it’s much safer, and stabler, and I know most people don’t care. But I do think it’s worth considering that Linux is not one-size-fits-all and while Bazzite might be best for some people it’s not best for everyone.
As soon as you start getting into more customization, if you find annoyances you want to fix, sometimes it’s much easier when you’re on a traditional, non-immutable distro, and I consider it an important bonus that this will help you learn. You do have to be more careful, and more respectful about running shell commands freely that might destroy your system, but I think that’s good experience to have.
Personally I run PikaOS (debian-based) with KDE Plasma 6 and it’s been an absolute pleasure. I have found some of the above mentioned annoyances, but I’ve fixed them to my satisfaction and I’m extremely happy with the result. I have yet to find any game that is difficult to get running, I have yet to find anything that is difficult at all really. It’s been straightforward and rock solid stable. I give a lot of credit to not just the distros but also to projects like KDE, Wine, Proton, Lutris, etc. which are building this incredible gaming ecosystem on Linux. It couldn’t be a better time to dump Windows, and soon we’ll be at the point where no one will mourn it.
I’m a new Bazzite (nvidia) user, but I use Linux in various flavors for self-hosting already so I’m not a complete newbie.
I’m personally ok with the immutability of the os on my desktop, I’d rather be more free to break things in my homelab environment than lose an OS install on my desktop because I flew too close to the sun.
I 100% understand the appeal though.
That’s totally legit. I prefer having my primary machine immutable so I can’t break things. I have a mini PC that’s my tinker platform. I have kubuntu on there now but may have to give PikaOS a try.
For what it’s worth, Nobara’s another good option and being Fedora-based might be more familiar if you’re coming from Bazzite. I think the developers of PikaOS and Nobara are the same, or at least I think the projects share some history and some effort. Either way both are great distros depending on which flavor of package management you prefer. I’m definitely “an apt person” so Pika birb OS is the one for me, also it’s got a pretty cute art theme.
definitely “an apt person” so Pika birb OS
You’re gonna love what conectiva did with apt AND rpm.
Garuda had the same gaming focus as Bazzite without the immutability.
I prefer cachyos, also cachyos lets me use gparted and like a whole de gui for install off the usb, it was comfortable and easier than windows, bazzite was still a terminal. Felt less “scary” swapping over.
I don’t remember using a text interface to install Bazzite
Mightve been one of the other de options for bazzite
this was a few months ago and it launched in a terminal with the options
Ok. I’m not trying it. I mess with everything.
In a similar theme, I don’t like the latest TrueNAS because if you want to mess with the OS, you gotta force it. Annoying as hell. I built my own nas instead.
People who say Bazzite isn’t for tinkerers just misunderstand it. It’s extremely tinker friendly, just not in the ways people are used to.
I’d say it’s actually a lot more tinker friendly because it’s super easy to revert changes.
I moved from win10 to PikaOS, after misunderstanding why linux mint installed on a USB was unusably slow. It’s fine, but some weird problems. I think Mint can get closed source Nvidia drivers easily enough. The open drivers are fine enough.
is Bazite better than Pika? is fedora base better than Debian/Arch base?
is fedora base better than Debian/Arch base?
unfortunately yes. driver support for any redhat derived Linux is amazing compared to Debian or Arch.
I stopped using redhat anything after IBM fucked everything up, but it’s still true today.
Debian could be amazing if it weren’t for the devout “it’s not free, it’s not for me” evangelicals. I mean, I get it, but there is a cost they just don’t concern themselves with and the distro suffers because of it.
I would argue that that particular insistence of theirs is precisely why they’re still relevant today and seemingly immune to the enshittification and churn that plagues the rest of the ecosystem
I don’t disagree, but at the same time it’s a choice the community has taken that completely walls off a large population of potential users.
as someone else said though, there are other distros based on Debian that attempt to rectify that.
Pika OS has easy access to open and closed nvidia drivers. Though I bailed on mint, I did notice the drivers were 1 click away.
While the base of debina/arch might be pure, the distros that build on them do so to get porno filthy. apt+flatpack seems to work ok as update/install system.
I absolutely love that you describe PikaOS as porno filthy. No judgement, no defense, no argument, I just think it’s a hilarious description while perfectly making your point, and is pretty much the best thing I’ve read today. Thank you!
And just to stay on-topic, yeah I’ve found flatpak invaluable in working around some of debian’s unfortunate packaging limitations. I try to use the debian packages first if possible, but if the version is too old, not available, or has crappy dependency conflicts, flatpak to the rescue!
Just a heads up, if you play a lot of Japanese games. I have had incredible trouble playing pretty much any Japanese game that isn’t potato-esq since switching to Linux. I figured I’d get that out there. I gave up on playing them, which stinks because there are some very interesting games out there to play. If I can emulate, I do. But anything from Steam would just crash, within 10-20 minutes of playing them.
I feel like “Japanese games” is pretty vague. Square Enix and Fromsoft are some of the largest Japanese studios out there and their games work great on Linux.
I don’t do studios like that anymore but I will say that I have had trouble. Also, as someone who is Japanese, I am not out here trying to bash Japanese games specifically. I just know that I have explicitly had issues repeatedly with Japanese games. Which is why I want to warn people. Because I am not going to go out of my way to play them. I know there are other people who are migrating who are in the same boat. I hate when people say “Oh, everything is peachy” because it’s not. There are issues, and people should be aware of them.
I am not a major gamer anymore. I play whatever I want to, when it catches my interest. But I pretty much play simple stuff. When I want to play games with “fancy graphics” it tends to be Japanese based. I like the stylized higher-end graphics of Japanese games over other countries. Even Chinese based ones. There is just a nice beauty to them. I don’t know studios like that anymore, which is why I didn’t go through the list. But equally, it really isn’t important to me personally - so I don’t have recall on them. I just know I tried a series of different Japanese games that I had both in my library already, as well as have purchased over the past couple of years. I have had consistent crash issues. I don’t think Japanese studios care that much about computer ports. I can’t even run Elin on my damn computer. I don’t care, because there are many games out there. I can also emulate many of the games I am interested in. The money doesn’t go to the developer, but I can’t help that if it is impossible for me to play it.
The biggest intention I had in saying what I said - is that I wanted people to know it’s not all roses. Even using Wine to emulate wonderful programs that I loved on Windows, Black Ink for example (my most used Steam product) is absolutely abysmal on Linux. I gave up, and switched to Krita. 10/10 would rather use Black Ink. I can dual boot, but Windows is a CREEP. I would rather lose accessibility to items, than continue to work in the Microsoft environment. I just hate when people show only the good sides of things, especially social media content/influencers, when in actuality there are issues which must be addressed and in turn stop the casual user from utilizing something they want to. I am sure there are hoops someone can jump to gain whatever they want. I will jump those hoops for exceptional things. Most things, I will lay to rest. This, I laid to rest. I have had issues with Square Enix games. I do not play their new stuff, so that could be it. Also, just because something is Deck Verified doesn’t mean it’ll work outside of there. Even when checking Proton.db.
This isn’t some “Wuhan flu” stuff. This is me bringing my valid experience while using one of the most commonly sold graphics cards. Just to let others know that while things are great, they’re not perfect.
Really? The only one I’ve had issues with is Persona 5, and even then I was able to get it working. Which GPU are you using?
Edit: now that I think about it I did have some trouble with Hatoful Boyfriend.
Hatoful I’d say is potato-esq but I haven’t played it in a long time so idk how it runs on Linux. I think VisNovels would all be pretty easy to run. I get the font issues. I think often it’s some weird resolution issue, maybe with the videos or animations or something. I know it’s not just me, as all the titles I see (like No More Heroes) are just plagued with people claiming they crash. Soul Hackers 2, I got working. Yaiba crashed like crazy. Neo Atlas was a crash-a-thon. Some other ones that I had hanging around crashed. I saw consistently it was Japanese games crashing out. I figured there had to be some issue with support, so I gave up. I like older games anyways.
p.s. - Nvidia, partners old gaming laptop. Three series, if that’s how you note it =P! Either way, I don’t like laptops, but I hate waste more. Would rather have Ryzen, and a desktop.
Funnily enough Hatoful Boyfriend has a Linux release. When I try playing that in Japanese though I get a weird issue with fonts not showing up even though I’m pretty sure I have the correct fonts installed. Maybe it’s some weird containerization thing that keeps the game from seeing the font. When I try playing the Windows release it just doesn’t launch… is what I was going to say but I just tried it with Proton Experimental and it seems to work perfectly now. Problem solved I guess?
p.s. - Nvidia, partners old gaming laptop
My condolences.
Oh, that’s really cute! I never thought about it, but it’d be a really fun game to play in Japanese. I have met my fair share of games East/West that load up on Proton and then close. I tend to return them, unless I know someone in my family wants to play them as well. I am the only one on Linux, tbh.
*No worries! I play pretty much exclusively pixel/text based games. I am not hurting. I can also emulate consoles, so I figure I am winning. I love desktops though. They’re just hard to move, and I like to travel light nowadays.
I need to check what its called on my computer but lutris didnt work for me for some pirated games, some other launcher off github I found off a comment on reddit did, might work for that
might be portwine https://github.com/Castro-Fidel/PortWINE pretty sure
wasnt portwine was fauguslauncher
its faugus launcher btw
Its because you need the Japanese locale that windows uses.
Idk, because there are games that were Western ports without any Japanese in them. But also I don’t really care, because what I want to play are now probably all considered “retro” games and I just emulate them instead. That works fine.
With Proton? What games?
Oh my god, you guys are killing me.
RIP
I’m hijacking this thread to ask a question:
Bazzite latest MESA how?
I can see that the driver released on the 18th is available on Fedora Rawhide, but it may contain the fix I need that removes graphical artefacting in Unreal Engine 5 games like Oblivion Remastered, Avowed, and Dune Awakening (checking the MESA developer forums shows that they’ve identified the problem. Checking their git shows they’ve found a fix to the problem, hence why I’m expecting the fix to be in the version release of the 18th).
I wonder what is the otigin of that name?
Answered here: https://docs.bazzite.gg/General/FAQ/
