This map does not include any of the street cars, any of the light rail, any bus routes, any of the linked transit like the GO system trains or buses, it’s literally just the the underground subway only. Which if that’s what you want to compare is fine, but that’s not what the title says. The title clearly indicates transit system, which should include most of that.

A good transit system needs a mix of above and below ground. Toronto used to have an massively extensive streetcar system that even went as far north as Lake Simcoe . Which has been dismantled and gutted over the years in favour of cars. That’s part of why they built the subway in Toronto in the first place, to get rid of the street car network and make more room for cars.

You reckon people would be as willing to defend Toronto’s dog shit public transit network if it was compared to a western city rather than a Chinese one?

North America can’t public transit, it’s by design

I spent time in Chengdu in 2011. It was stunning how bad the pollution was. Like, thick sepia haze obscuring skyscrapers just a quarter mile or so down the road. I wonder if it’s cleaner now.

This reminds me that I kept the bus schedules of the intercity coach connecting a string of small cities in Quebec, that I was using 15 years ago. They had multiple departures a day. I remember being able to go from St-Hyacinthe to Victoriaville and back in the same day.

Now they have two departures a week and cut stops in multiple villages along the way.

In fact, there were coaches in the town I grew up in, back in the 90ies. Obviously there is nothing now. My mother says there were also passenger trains but they were cancelled in the 90ies too, and now there’s only freight on those tracks.

I have never owned a car, always used public transit, coaches and done whatever I can to avoid using cars, and I can see through the 2 decades of my adult life in Québec that things are even regressing in some areas.

This is how you perform sophistry with facts.