Seems like hard-core hate for anyone religious is fine in many circles. Is there a point where it becomes as problematic as other forms of bigotry? Not any specific religion necessarily just the disdain for the religious in general.
Don’t hate people.
Hate the perverse, uncivic, inherently tribalistic ideas of “belief without evidence”, “felt truth”, and “chosen people”
They are all toxic memes antithetical to a modern inclusive pluralistic society.
Hate the institutions not the members of them?
A favourite phrase of mine that comes up in so many different areas of life is: “soft on people, hard on structures.” Individuals tend to be pretty good, genuine and caring people.
It’s much like how an atheist might be a great person, but the new atheist movement became a festering cesspool of anti-feminist right wing bigotry. Having a religion doesn’t change much really, shit people are universal.
I suppose it’s similar to when you criticize something like, say, China or the USA. Are you also hateful towards the Chinese or Americans? Similar here.
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I struggle with the idea that being part of a religion means you support the negatives without acknowledging the positives. For example, the catholic church has a horrible track record with child abuse. Sentiments I hear accuse catholics of loving and supporting pedophiles. But the catholic church also funds thousands of hospitals, clinics, food banks, orphanages and schools. They were also one of the few institutions setting up and running programs for needy people historically. Can someone hate aspects of the institution while supporting others and still be considered moral? Surely if you were to poll catholics, almost none would condone acts of child abuse. But, they would all support helping the needy. Is it reasonable to hold all members accountable for the horrible acts of a few? Maybe, maybe not, I really don’t know.
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This falls under the paradox of intolerance for me
You would consider all religious people intolerant then?
I’ll answer with another vague response. People are dumb, but a person can be smart
When they stop legislating their doctrine.
In the US or in general? Both is reasonable as well I guess.
Who is “they”?
If you hate them just because they’re religious that’s bigotry
but there are a lot of people who use religion to justify bigoted or harmful beliefs. for those I have no tolerance and I’m not sorry 💅
My stance is anyone using any belief system to excuse hate is wrong.
So, does that mean that you have no issue with a religious person who does not use their religion to excuse hate or violence?
The way you phrased that is kind of confusing. I’m fine with religious people, assuming they don’t use their religion as an excuse to hate or promote violence. For example, I think many anti religious people think of all Christians as believing in a type of Christianity similar or the same as what the Westboro Baptist church preached. In reality, many Christian denominations are accepting of lgbtq+ people as well as any race or ethnicity. Even the catholic church took a more progressive stance on gay people a few years back.
Like immediately, by definition
Lots of assumptions in this thread that the concept of ‘religion’ is interchangeable with ‘theism’. It isn’t. There’s quite a few large religions that are, or can be practised, in a nontheistic way including Buddhism, Hinduism, Taosim and Jainism. There’s even a branch of Quakerism that is nontheistic.
Wider definitions of religion exist than simply ‘belief in a supernatural deity/deities’, including my own - that of modern atheistic Satanism.
In terms of bigotry - being shitty to whole groups of people based on their belief in a non-existent being feels weird to me. Being shitty if they then use that belief to justify their own bigotry is not weird and is called activism. Or to put it another way - if someone believes in a god and prays in a church and makes no comments that support the infringement of other peoples rights to exist and live their lives as they want to then that’s totally fine by me.
Newsflash: adherents to other religions that have deities don’t take them literally, either, whether they say so or not. Tibetan Buddhism is one.
That’s an excellent point and not something I or the majority of commenter have taken into consideration. I’m really curious to know if any of the major detractors in these comments have more good will to nontheistic religions. Considering the numbers of comments that reference people being stupid for believing in a fake being.
Never, religion is an opinion and you can hate dumb opinions all you want.
If you consider someone’s religion an opinion I don’t think you’ve ever had a meaningful conversation with a religious person. Which is fine, just gonna lead to a fairly narrow view of the world.
I had very meaningful conversation about all kinds of fiction, including religion.
I don’t think thats the roast you want it to be.
No “roast” was intended.
I just think hate is generally an unproductive feeling regardless of who it’s towards. Don’t get me wrong I’m not trying to claim that I’m perfect and never find myself feeling it, I just try to avoid it.
That’s honest
Nothing good comes from hate. Hate is an emotion, and when you’re emotional, you cannot fix or improve things.
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Religion is a cancer and Abrahamic religions is pedo operations
The more religious they are, the more likely they are covering up being pedophiles.
I am tired of society pretending it ain’t so.
How regime handled the catholic church and Epstein is very telling about who rules us
I decided I don’t mind if people are religious, there’s a lot of religious people who I’d rather be allies with than enemies
If they are against fascism we have something in common
That’s reasonable. Enemy of my enemy and all that jazz.
It becomes bigotry when you are unwilling to change your mind, or when you hate people of that religion for that reason alone.
Pretty much immediately. You can hate extremism, you can hate corrupt and damaging institutions and you can hate intolerance. But don’t hate someone just because they believe something you don’t or you believe the same thing in a slightly different way.
That’s close to how I feel.
