• JanMayen@quokk.au
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    10 days ago

    You don’t see any state run bread lines do you?

    That’s because they’d rather you starve, but the mafia has soup lines waiting for you.

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      You don’t see any state run bread lines do you?

      I remember getting extremely screamed at on Reddit when I posted “Bread Lines” and the picture of a line around the block at a grocery store on the eve of a hurricane.

      Apparently, that’s not a “real” bread line because idfk free markets or some shit.

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      You don’t see any state run bread lines do you?

      You do, they’re called food pantry lines, and they tend to be run by churches in my experience

      There are still plenty of local government run food pantries too, since I have to spell this part out in crayon for some people…

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        If the food pantries are run by churches, then they are not state run, meaning you do not see state run food pantries.

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          I’m not American, but my uneducated ass believes America is basically a theocracy. The president has to pretend that he does everything in the name of god, you have to swear your official vows on the bible, every hotel has a bible, every child in school has to pray to the god-emperor every morning, your money says “in god we trust”, your churches are payed for by tax-evasion.

          So then, what renains to be the difference between “state run” and “church run” benefits really?

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            Well let’s break your points down.

            1: The president does not need to pretend everything is done in the name of god. One party does this to appeal to a religious base.

            2: You do not need to swear into office on a bible, many have sworn in on nothing at all or other holy books.

            3: Every hotel is provided a bible (and often a book of mormon) by that company. This is because the company many of these hotels are owned by is a mormon company. Many hotels do not have bibles in them now.

            4: Children are not required to pray in the morning, unless you attend a religious school specifically. If you mean the pledge, that is also optional and not done in many schools.

            5: In God We Trust is an odd case yes. It was added in the 1950’s to “combat socialism.”

            6: Churches are not required to pay taxes because they are also charities that perform good acts for the poor. Other religions claim this benefit as well.

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              Trump is a religion here. His devout call themselves christian but its clearly distinct in both beliefs and rituals.

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            So then, what renains to be the difference between “state run” and “church run” benefits really?

            What kind of question is that? Churches are funded through donations rather than through taxes and they have no legal obligation to perform charity, so the difference is that they are not as reliable for people in need.

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          If the food pantries are run by churches, then they are not state run

          What if the state is subsidizing the church through tax credits, grants, and subsidies?

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            10 days ago

            The state has no control over the food at the pantries beyond basic health standards. The state cannot force me to give out bread when I run a soup kitchen. It can encourage me to continue with charitable acts with tax credits and subsidies, but it cannot force me to.

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              The state has no control over the food at the pantries beyond

              My brother in Christ there is literally a department of agriculture at the federal level and every single state. To say the state has no control over food in pantries you have to ignore water rights and farm tax credits and crop subsidies and trade restrictions and registration in pesticides and that’s just on the production end.

              I live in a city where people are routinely arrested for distributing food to the homeless.

              The state clearly has enormous control over what gets produced, where it is distributed, and who eats it. Even what price its sold.

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            Even if they tend to be run by churches, then they wouldn’t count as state run. Meaning you do not see state-run bread lines / food pantries.

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        23 downvotes

        People in the West absolutely can’t stand when you point out all the same instructions of poverty exist on their home turf.

        It’s a sin to acknowledge poverty exists. Nevermind to suggest that westerners might be worse at alleviating it than their foreign peers.

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          The downvoted are cause they said “state run food pantries” and then talked about them being run by churches and not the state.

          We fucking know there is poverty here. Hence talking about bread lines in the first place.

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            In the US? The church and the state are joined at the hip. Go look up the history of Mitt Romney. The man is an ordained Mormon Bishop while he lived in Boston.

            We organize our charitable relief at the retail end through church fronts. But the money and the materials routinely come from state coffers.