One of the best gaming Linux OSes just shifted 1,000,000 GB of ISOs in a single month
www.xda-developers.com
That's a lot of downloading.

Bazzite is seeing an insane amount of growth right now

  • ms.lane@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    3 小时前

    They should use this technology we used purely for uh… "Linux ISOs’ back is the day.

    BitTorrent.

    • marcie (she/her)@lemmy.mlOP
      1·
      2 小时前

      afaik theyre parasitizing microsoft this way by compiling and distributing everything on github, makes it cheaper too. they have a way for local computers to distribute software as peers at least so you only really need to download it once if your server or w.e. runs it too

  • HiddenLayer555@lemmy.mlEnglish
    1·
    4 小时前

    What’s the appeal of Bazzite over regular Fedora immutable version? I’ve personally never had an issue running Steam on Fedora, then again I wouldn’t consider myself a “gamer,” certainly not my biggest requirement as far as computing is concerned.

    • marcie (she/her)@lemmy.mlOP
      2·
      2 小时前

      they have nice scripts and tweaks, and afaik steam as a flatpak runs a bit weird so youd have to layer it whereas it comes prebaked on bazzite.

      • HiddenLayer555@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        3 小时前

        KDE is second-class to GNOME on Fedora.

        It is? I ask because I’ve always used Fedora KDE and honesty it’s been the best KDE experience I’ve had. Now I’m curious how much better the Fedora GNOME experience might be if it’s prioritized so much more, but I’ve never seriously used GNOME so I don’t think I can make a fair assessment. In what ways is KDE deprioritized?

  • ShankShill@sh.itjust.works
    10·
    1 天前

    I had such a good experience switching to bazzite (from arch btw) that I put Aurora on my wife’s Ryzen 2500u laptop when windows 10 was taken out to a nice farm.

    That went well until she said her friend’s kids couldn’t play games anymore. I quickly and flawlessly rebased it to bazzite and set up games.

    A few hiccups with lacking Microsoft Office and having to learn the alternatives was the only issue she has had but that only took a few days for her to get down.

    • YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.todayEnglish
      23·
      2 天前

      Along with what others have said about it being a great ootb experience for anyone looking to play games. It is also immutable so you can’t fuck it up too easily. And the very popular YouTube channel gamers nexus has started doing their Linux testing exclusively on bazzite. I think the latter is playing one of the biggest parts, while the previous two points are specifically why they choose bazzite.

    • theparadox@lemmy.worldEnglish
      17·
      2 天前

      As I understand it, it’s atomic Fedora with virtually everything you might need to game on Linux baked in (no need for layering) and more or less preconfigured. Off the top of my head, proprietary Nvidia drivers, Steam, Lutris, Hero launcher, support for Xbox One wireless controller dongle, plus a number of useful tools like Tailscale. An app with a catered list of gaming-oriented flatpacks, one click updating. Also a lot of effort into replicating the Steam Deck experience for handheld devices or devices connected to a TV.

      I believe they also do Aurora, which is similarly geared toward workstations with a ton of container-related tools like distro box readily available to easily use containers instead of layering where possible. The same tools may be available in Bazzite but I never checked. I have Aurora on my laptop and use a dedicated gaming device with Bazzite.

      I’m not a Linux veteran by any means but I was hopping distros looking for something I could install on my family’s computers I tried atomic Fedora. When using it for myself, I became frustrated with the number of tools I use that needed to be layered or run in a container and eventually found myself on Bazzite and Aurora. So far so good.

    • onlooker@lemmy.ml
      14·
      2 天前

      Besides the reasons others mentioned, it’s also popular as an OS for gaming handhelds, like the Steam Deck, Lenovo Legion Go, ASUS Ally X and what have you.

    • dil@lemmy.zip
      3·
      24 小时前

      A lot of things are built into it to be easily installable with less user effort. Has nice defaults. I use cachyos on my pc but on my handheld a lot of stuff wasn’t working by default, like the handhelds buttons/joystick. On bazzite everything works by default. (Think it’s one terminal command to install what is needed for controls in cachyos, but it didn’t work by default) You can still download whatever using rpm ostree, as a user idr know the difference. Grabbed gparted that way. Bazzite has the ujust command which gives you a lot of options for modifying and installing stuff easily like waydroid, emudeck, plugins, etc.

      Also prefer gnome with extensions on touchscreens and handhelds, while everything else comes with kde and it’s apps by default. Kde isn’t bad at all and only 1 extension on pc (window thumbnails to pip any window) has me staying on gnome, but gnome works so much better for touchscreens and smaller devices.

    • truite@jlai.lu
      9·
      2 天前

      Imagine you like video games. You install Bazzite. You have Steam, with only a little checkbox (to allow playing on linux). It works, you can play, you have a “playstore” if you need something. You have really little to do if you don’t go outside Steam and the playstore.

      • Holytimes@sh.itjust.works
        59·
        2 天前

        Problem generally is that the moment you do have to leave steam. It’s infinitely worse and basically impossible to use for a low skilled or new user compared to other gamer distros that do the exact same thing as bazzite but arnt immutable.

        Immutability is great till you need to actually do anything at all. It’s such a catch 22. To a new user, it means you can’t accidentally f*** anything up, but also to a new user basically means your computer is a glorified console and you can’t do anything with it because you lack the skill set in knowledge to actually do anything in looking. Anything up basically isn’t going to be helpful for you cuz basically every guide and written account anywhere you find isn’t going to be geared towards an immutable distro.

        The immutable gimmick that’s currently going on right now is still way too flavor of the month for new users who are trying to learn from a ground set of nothing.

        If I was giving a computer to like a kid who I didn’t want to be able to do anything I would give it to them as a form of parental control more than anything.

        • j0rge@lemmy.ml
          81·
          2 天前

          The immutable gimmick that’s currently going on right now is still way too flavor of the month for new users who are trying to learn from a ground set of nothing.

          New users aren’t going to administer their computers either. there’s no “flavor of the month” it’s just teaching new users how to administer linux systems properly. And of course directions on the internet are going to be incorrect, the only correct solution is to follow the documentation, not random guides on the internet.

        • priapus@piefed.socialEnglish
          1·
          1 天前

          What exactly do you think someone is going to have to do that isn’t easily done on Bazzite? Bazzite isn’t based around Steam. 99% of users will install everything they need from Flathub and be perfectly fine.

          Also, you can do anything you want with an “immutable” distro, it’s just done differently. Immutable is a bad and unclear descriptor, which is why Bazzite uses atomic.

        • truite@jlai.lu
          3·
          2 天前

          I never say it has no problem. I’m on bazzite and every time I want something that’s not in the playstore, it’s a fucking hell and it never works. I just stopped.

          • coaxil@lemmy.zip
            3·
            2 天前

            You couldn’t just layer it on, or use distribox and container it? I have plenty of Linux on machines I work with, but my gaming rig is Bazzite, and it literally does it’s job perfectly, which is to game, and the few other misc things beyond its regular scope I have done in the couple’s years it’s been on that machine I have had no issues with?

            • truite@jlai.lu
              1·
              1 天前

              Maybe I could if I had an idea what it was x) That’s ok, I do with whatever bazaar has. My main frustration is for the VPN I paid, and can’t use, but I tried things for days with the support and all failed, and since I don’t understand what I’m doing and had to go in admin mode, I let it go. It’s not a call for help.

            • LikeableLime@piefed.socialEnglish
              1·
              2 天前

              I just switched to Bazzite recently and have been using containers through podman/docker for anything not on Bazaar. But what do people mean when they say “layering” on an immutable distro? I’m very much still new at this

              • equivocal@piefed.socialEnglish
                2·
                1 天前

                You can layer packages not in the base image. This effectively installs that package. Except by default the “installation” will not take effect until the next boot.

    • Holytimes@sh.itjust.works
      415·
      2 天前

      Immutable distros are currently the flavor of the month and it’s basically just that. Bazzite is just a worse cachyOS. But because it’s immutable it’s the flavor of the month and therefore it’s the hype new thing.

      Everyone loves the hype new thing. Even though in all realistic aspects, it’s more overly complicated. It’s more prone to causing issues for new users. It’s less proven.

      There’s a good argument to be made that the project might just end up imploding in a year or two and dying out and f****** over all these new users who are flocking to it because of rampant suggestions.

      Is also the general issue of Fedora and its family being prone to breaking itself from early adoption of new ideas. People love to give Arch s*** but Fedora tends to be the one that actually implodes itself for low-skilled users.

      Got to love flavor of the month

      • om1k@sopuli.xyz
        81·
        2 天前

        There’s a good argument to be made that the project might just end up imploding in a year or two and dying out

        Could you make this argument?

        • marcie (she/her)@lemmy.mlOP
          2·
          15 小时前

          It’s nonsense you can just use one command to swap from bazzite to kinoite if it does, it’s very easy and low effort to distro hop on fedora atomic based distros

          And half of the project is mostly just automated package update pulls and compiling them into images

        • sakuraba@lemmy.ml
          5·
          1 天前

          No they can’t, they can only say “flavor of the month” nonstop until another parrot catches it and repeats it

          I can counter argument their non-existing argument, if bazzite dies tomorrow you are free to rebase to any other Fedora Atomic distro

  • bier@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    70·
    2 天前

    Traffic cost must be insane. Hope they have good hosting and won’t be paying through the nose and go broke.

    • ExtraPartsLeft@lemmy.world
      2·
      16 小时前

      This whole thread had me wondering how much I’m costing them so I could at least pay my share. A quick search got me this page to donate. There’s some information about how they are using that money, but it doesn’t seem like they’ve spent much, and it makes me feel like they’ve got funding from somewhere else that covers their hosting costs.

      • quarterlife@lemmy.sdf.org
        1·
        8 小时前

        Founder here, we have a sponsorship deal with Cloudflare that thankfully covers the vast majority of this. Our hosting costs right now for everything, including the GitHub runners, are $65, with the domain being another $100/yr.

        The intention with the donations is to pay for those costs, travel for Linux conventions, and for us to have a fund for additional higher cost items like eventually doing proper secure boot support. At no point will myself or others be collecting a paycheck out of those funds, and I’ve been paying our bills for the last 3 years or so. I’m privileged to be able to do this as a hobby and not as a job.

        Thank you for thinking about us! I appreciate the sentiment

    • Mora@pawb.social
      56·
      2 天前

      Should be manageable and it is probably less than you would imagine. Just checked real quick: the isos load from download.bazzite.gg, which is a Cloudflare IP. So they are either using it as CDN or even more likely use Cloudflares R2 storage for isos - which would mean they pay for storage (~15$/TB) and operations, but not for egress. This is seems ideal for few but huge files.

      So for a single iso (~7 GB) they would pay 0,105$ for storage monthly and additionally 0,36$ per million of class B operations (reads/downloads). Of course they host more than one ISO, but for this example it would have been downloaded about ~150000 times to reach the petabyte.

      So yeah, the ISO download is probably less of a problem. (Disclaimer: lot of assumptions, check in with a bazzite dev for clarity)

    • cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      26·
      2 天前

      I’m surprised they don’t have torrent downloads for it. That would save on bandwidth costs and it’s more reliable since torrent clients verify the checksum and automatically redownload any corrupted blocks.

  • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
    9·
    2 天前

    I distrohop every now and then, but usually when I have a convincing argument for it. Anyone want to try to convince me to switch either of my computers (one on Tumbleweed and one on NixOS) to Bazzite?

    • marcie (she/her)@lemmy.mlOP
      16·
      2 天前

      its closest to nixos in functionality, but basically its just a very simple distro that doesnt require much work to maintain and comes with lots of useful premade scripts and configurations for gaming and making immutables easy to work with. if thats what youre looking for thats what its good for.

        • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
          7·
          2 天前

          Yes, but the beauty of it is that it plugs in Steam immediately. If you’re installing it on a machine that uses Steam and sometimes browses it is a one-stop shop.

          I offloaded Windows 10 entirely, installed bazzite, and played Hollow Knight and the entire Dark Souls trilogy from the same installation on the same harddrive I’d had them on Windows. Didnt even need to reinstall.

          To me that’s impressive. I only had a few crashes overall too.

        • AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works
          2·
          2 天前

          podman works well, docker is a little finicky due to some systemd weirdness and the whole immutability of it all.

          it mainly tries to get you to use distroboxes which are awesome. you can even install something in a distrobox and expose it to the host.

          • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            2 天前

            Are distroboxes, podman, and docker all names for the same type of program? I’ll have to start researching the ones you mentioned and see if it fits what I’m doing.

            • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
              2·
              1 天前

              Distrobox is more like running an entire other Linux distro to run your program, so like before my laptop died completely I had Bazzite and needed to install something locally that was way easier to do in an Ubuntu Distrobox, any time I wanted to run that program I open up my distrobox and run it, felt very native and the app and its files were still in my normal home directory yet ran with dependencies and such I had in the distrobox only.

              Definitely nifty but different from the goal of podman/docker imo

            • AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works
              3·
              2 天前

              they’re all containerization programs yes. I believe they differ in some minor details but thanks to the OCI standards a image built with docker will run in podman or vice versa.

              distrobox is a little more feature rich for development, meant for exposing services and are interactive by default, vs dockers run and forget methodology.

    • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      4·
      1 天前

      If you’ve got actual work to do, don’t.

      I’ve got Bazzite on my TV PC, and it’s pretty cromulent for that, but Flatpak alone doesn’t have everything I need to do actual work.

  • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
    11·
    2 天前

    I’m doing my part.

    I set up bazzite in a VM and passed my GPU thru it.

    Now I’ve got a nuc clone in my office with bazzite on it as well and it’s just a moonlight client. But it’s silent. Or damn close. The GPU is two floors away, I hear nothing!

    That was two separate downloads, too…Nvidia-gnone and gnome-standard.

    I was on Nobara a couple months ago and liked it…but a colleague piqued my interest on immutable distros and now here I am.

  • Fizz@lemmy.nz
    12·
    2 天前

    This is amazing news. Hopefully they’re getting enough donations to cover this.

    • Holytimes@sh.itjust.works
      4·
      2 天前

      Eh costs likely basically nothing. They appear to use cloud flare CDN which has unlimited bandwidth.

      So really all they’re doing is getting their money’s worth from their subscription. Lol