Remembering to look for and ignore folks with that telltale indicator has made the fediverse so much more enjoyable.
i was on hexbear, i said a lot of stuff like “palestine and israel have been at each other’s throats and they should settle the gaza war peacefully”, “venezuela should NOT be run by nicolas maduro”, “we need a revolution” and “what if north korea was a de leonist country”.
so far, comments like these were interpreted as simply “antisocialist”, “zionist”, “fedposting”, “manufacturing consent” and “history of repeating us state department talking points”. hexbear is full of the most hardline marxist-leninists you’d ever meet. they DIDN’T realize that you can be marxist-leninist while NOT supporting stalin’s actions in the ussr government and such. i’m still studying socialist/communist theory though.
i’m very glad i went with this lemmy instance. seriously!
Man this was like the only instance that was accepting new members at the time and tbh it’s been failing to load stuff half the time now, which instance should I switch to that’s actually accepting new members?
Also any good mobile clients with a local history? I’m so tired of Voyager just throwing away posts that I try to go back to read, absolutely no way to go find it again
what did i do
The tell-tale indicator is the post itself, not the instance.
I’ll make my own judgments, thank you.Hi guys
“not all men”
idk what the instance fuss is about and i dont care
.nl
me, a shitjustworks based fucker
Solid rule: verify the source before the outrage. Saves your blood pressure and your feed.
Whenever braininabox shows up, you know it’s about to get a little Rule 2 in here
What I’ve learned is that Reddit.world allows for rule breaking as long as you’re punching left, but if you’re the one being beat on and you defend yourself you’ll be banned for wrongthink.
You know what’s funny is .ml was one of the first instances I signed up for. I thought it stood for machine learning or something to do with programming.
I knew it was a leftist instance. I went into it (naively) excited to engage with a more thoughtful leftist internet space, considering it was a bunch of reddit exiles who were upset about heavy handed Reddit censorship. I was quite disappointed to learn quickly that it was just more of the same tankie brain rot, with more of the same tankie censorship you can find in a thousand different tedious places.
Even then I stuck with it for a bit. And then I learned that the head admin was potentially the most fragile person on the Internet, who literally will not post outside his own instance because he cannot handle any internet where he does not have (what he believes to be) a “win argument” ban button. It is literally so cringe, I cannot stand to be associated with it, and I don’t understand how other people tolerate being associated with his antics.
MLs are essentially incapable of arguing in good faith. You know how Christians quote to bible to “prove” their religion is true? MLs are the political version of that.
Honestly I will half agree with you. Really we should be providing primary sources if we want to prove anything.
Not because I don’t believe socialist news sources are inaccurate it’s just that liberals are not going to believe it.
I opened a thread just yesterday and the top comment was “I recommend you read this article if you want to know what Noam Chomsky is really like”. It was upvoted. I like to learn things, and don’t really listen to a lot of Chomsky. So I started reading.
It was the most uneducated, biased, ragebait crap I’d ever seen posted to the fediverse. I started mentally building my reply about how “people are saying” is the worst kind of fallacy, and providing a quote from someone else with a different opinion doesn’t count as opposing evidence. I actually got a little upset, disillusioned even, wondering how anyone could fall for this idiotic “argument”. I didn’t agree or disagree with any point, but it was just so poorly made.
I went to reply, thinking I should provide some warning, then I noticed I was in an ml community. I’m mobile, so it sometimes doesn’t show the community until I’ve clicked (I know I can change that in the settings). I considered posting anyway, but it felt so fruitless. It feels like they’re either sheep or assets. I moved on. I feel better getting to let it out here instead.
As someone leaning ML, this makes me feel like I haven’t argued with my own side in a while… Or I am less ML than I think I am…
I have an ML account and usually just jump back and forth between .world local posts and .ml local posts and I swear I’m not seeing all this hostility people talk about anywhere
I haven’t read a single exchange with a .ml tankie that hasn’t been utterly juvenile roleplay nonsense with no desire to engage with reality, I don’t give them any amount of my attention or even irritation, if kids wanna do roleplay stuff between games of Hearts of Iron 4, they can, but other instances should ban roleplay outside of their specific circle-jerking forum.
I only signed up since it was one of the few instances allowing registration at the time of a big reddit exodus. Just haven’t made too many new accounts in other instances yet but yes, the community is in an echo chamber.
… we don’t?
I literally can’t do what the meme suggests, because I’ve already blocked all users from that instance automatically.
You might try slrpnk.net for what you were looking for. I guess you know that by now, but in case anyone else is reading and thinking similarly.
I’ve got an ml account too, but at the time I think world was normal. I think world has also gone the Reich way.
there some .ml accounts that just talking about tech, i assume that what it is originally for, but it was co-opting by hard left politics at some point.
wait, what does it stand for?
Technically it is the top-level domain name for Mali.
I’m fairly certain that the Lemmy devs chose it because of their two favorite socialists/communists: Marx and Lenin. But I can’t find a reference to that right now.
Marx was a socialist political philosopher, that helped define the social end goal of communism. Lenin was a militant revolutionary that thought he could ignore Marx’s slow natural social evolution to communism. And force it under authoritarian boot heel. He was aspirationally communist at best, but not communist. His ideology has failed to achieve it everywhere it was tried. Generally, creating a new class of Petit Bourgeoisie or even collapsing into open fascism.
Other than that you are correct. Lemmy.ml hexbear.ml and lemmygrad.ml all chose the Mali TLD because of the abbreviation.
Lenin wasn’t trying to erase that transition to communism is gradual, but instead correctly identified that the beginning of that transition is revolution, which Marxists at the time had erased from Marx. Dialectical materialism posits that there are revolutionary leaps after quantitative buildups, the transition to socialism is the beginning of the next long gradual process of achieving communism. He did not “force it under authoritarian boot heel,” but instead was the leader of the bolsheviks, a mass party chosen by the working claases.
Contrary to your position, Marxism-Leninism has successfully established socialism in many countries, and is so widely adopted by leftists partially because of its practical success. It’s the western leftists that endlessly move goalposts to invalidate socialism outside the west that results in perpetuation of bourgeois narratives surrounding socialism as it exists in real life.
Honestly, your appraisal of Lenin and Marx makes it come off as though you haven’t actually read either. Have you?
Other than that you are correct. Lemmy.ml hexbear.ml and lemmygrad.ml all chose the Mali TLD because of the abbreviation.
it’s hexbear.net
Have you read either Marx or Lenin?
A more important question is, did you think critically about what you read. And compare it to actually historical outcomes. Not just take it as dogma. Why do you think the Soviet people ultimately rejected the party Etc. At least symbolically. Why did former vassal States often demolish former Soviet monuments. Did they not read enough Lenin. Or had they lived it.
Unlike the states built around Lenin’s ideology. I believe people should absolutely be allowed to read about opposed ideologies and even organize around them. If they reject you, generally that means you aren’t filling their needs or are being a net burden. Though I also generally reject the idea of, or need for the state entirely. Far too much concentration and corruption. Whether it’s technically left or right.
I did think critically about what I read, and it’s astounding how many predictions that they made came true. For instance the monopolisation of whole sectors of industries was a really specific prediction to make in Marx’ time when nearly every town had their own manufacturers but look at us today with the global food supply controlled by only a handful of corporations.
And the majority of its citizens did not reject the Soviet Union. It was dissolved against the will of the people. Why do you think the CPRF is the second largest political party still today? Why did other communist parties fare so well in the elections after the dissolution? Why did NATO need to systematically destroy Yugoslavia if the people largely disagreed with the system?
Also, I’m gonna be very honest with you here, your statements about Marx and Lenin when you clearly didn’t read them make you look rather silly. As an example, it is widely accepted that abandonment of vanguardism caused the collapse of the SU. Therefore it was in fact abandonment of Leninism that caused the collapse. Vindicating Marxism-Leninism. If we’re talking about comparisons to historical outcomes… And his view on the “free press” still hold up today, in particular when viewed from the side opposing the gaza genocide.
Leninism is the only noncapitalist ideology actually practiced, so I wouldn’t really call it failed. China, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba and Venezuela are the most prominent examples of course.
I can only recommend, once again, Comrade Cowbees introductory reading list. In particular Marx as viewed by Lenin himself.
That’s a lot of words to say “no.”
Just like .TV domain is actually Tuvalu but Twitch and other livestreaming sites use it as abbreviation. These countries actually make a lot of money from selling top level domains like that.
Yes though I thought I remembered reading something a few years ago about them reclaiming them. But hard to turn down money.
Moron liberation
Marxist Leninist
Mutilated Leprechauns
You just reminded me of Ween’s masterpiece album, ’ The mollusk’
They use it to mean Marxist Leninism, although it also does mean Machine Learning and Mali
Maoist Lemmy
Now we just need Posadist Lemmy
i’m a leftist and have an ml acct. but it’s like there is no engagement or linking or such - i dunno. i’m a newb.
You’d be hard pressed to find many on the fediverse that aren’t some flavor of leftist.
But yes. A lot of instances defederated from the .ml ones for the same reasons ml were generally blocked and banned from similar sites in the past. Which ironically led to the start of Lemmy and the link aggregation portion of the fediverse in the first place.
A lot of instances defederated from the .ml ones
Last time I checked, infosec.pub was the only instance of any nontrivial size (319 users / month) that was defederated from lemmy.ml.
There’s a push recently on lemmy to make people think that .ml instance is unpopular, it’s user wrong and you should leave it or be ostracized.
This is the nth post about it I’ve seen in the past few months.
I haven’t noticed a recent uptick myself, but the usual suspects have been pushing that narrative for years.
Depends if you consider liberals to be leftists.
No, it does not. That’s just a popular way for MLs to disregard any opinion they don’t like. “Liberal” is to online MLs as “woke” is to conservatives. The Fediverse is packed with Anarchists, Socialists, Communists, and Leftists that don’t fit neatly into a category and that’s not even arguing about whether social democrats and democratic socialists count.
Just so you know Brain is a rage baiter.
Yes. It does. Just because you like the left wing ascetic and want free healthcare doesn’t mean you’re not a liberal, and that describes a lot of people here.
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Says the .World-ers
I still don’t know what any of this means
.world has its share of awful and part of why I rock piefed, but I chalk a lot of that up to essentially being the default instance.
.ml was the “default” when I joined. Been eyeing mbin, had an account on kbin too, but sadly it went offline.
Join us, shit just works over here and no one thinks about us. It’s safe
There is some slight irony to the idea that hardline .ml users consider themselves champions of the proletariat, while so vehemently disagreeing with the “normie” instance where most of the people are.
.world is far from perfect though, I’ll agree. I’m mainly just here because Lemmy.ml (the first instance recommended to me) rejected my application, while .world (the second one recommended to me) allows everyone.
“The masses are the real heroes, while we ourselves are often childish and ignorant, and without this understanding, it is impossible to acquire even the most rudimentary knowledge.” - Mao Zedong
Mao is correct in saying that communists need to learn from the masses. He’s talking about the Mass Line, an organizational tool to help keep the communist party linked with the masses and avoid tailism or commandism. However, that doesn’t mean liberalism is correct, because there are more liberals. Mao also wrote Combat Liberalism, in which he talks about the necessity of ideological struggle within the party, and proper agitation among the masses to lead them to correct theory and practice, as is the utility of the vanguard.
In your quoted text, Mao is fighting those members of the communist party that shirked their duties and looked at themselves as above the masses, a small but relevant issue within the CPC at the time. He isn’t saying to abandon Marxism or teaching about Marxism in favor of whatever is most popular.
In your quoted text, Mao is fighting those members of the communist party that shirked their duties and looked at themselves as above the masses, a small but relevant issue within the CPC at the time.
That is the analogy I was looking to make, yes.
Liberals on Lemmy.world are ideologically wrong. Lemmy.ml is also made up of largely working class people. Mao’s point is not that anything that is popular is correct, but that the working classes better understand the world through direct practice, life-activity. The conflict between Lemmy.world and Lemmy.ml isn’t because communists refuse to see the wisdom of the working classes, but because in areas where liberals and communists disagree, the liberals are incorrect. Wisdom comes from the working classes engaging in direct practice, yes, but this practice needs to be guided by correct theory, otherwise it’s just vulgar empiricism rather than dialectical materialism.
But you don’t achieve wisdom by cloistering yourself apart from the out-group to create a neo-intelligentsia that treats theory as scripture and prioritizes only the aesthetics of revolution while ignoring the plight of the uneducated masses as a lost cause. That is the idea I am critical of (not you per se, but the behavior I’ve seen from a lot of others around the fediverse who care more about tribalism based on nothing more than the instance someone calls home).
I’m just here for a forum, not a soapbox.
Ok, I am also here for some memes, too. Life sucks without laughter.
We don’t cloister ourselves, nor are we a “neo-intelligentsia.” Theory isn’t scripture, and we don’t prioritize aesthetics while ignoring the plight of the masses. I even made an introductory ML reading list to help out with theory. I just don’t see the issues you see here.
if you were a real leftist you would act like the majority of us at this nazi bar want you to
Isn’t that the same accusation that people throw out about Lemmy.ml though? It’s a reductionist meme at this point. If you honestly think the entire instance is a Nazi bar, why not just filter it out entirely instead of engaging with Nazis?
Like I said, I signed up for Lemmy.ml first. The admins rejected my application for reasons they would not disclose. I don’t know if it’s that they just didn’t like my username/email or whatever, but I tried a couple times and got the same result each time.
I settled on Lemmy.world barring the first option, because I was tired of applying and waiting just to keep getting rejections, and a friend had told me this instance just accepts everyone. So I figured why not?
But why advocate cooperation and mutual support on the fediverse when we can just foster more infighting based on tribalism, I guess?
Their point isn’t that Lemmy.ml is a Nazi bar, but that leftists should behave like the so-called “Nazis” at Lemmy.ml. We are communists, not Nazis, and are diametrically opposed to fascism.
As for why not Lemmy.world, it comes with the majority of Marxists pre-censored for you, which for me is bad.
I was calling .world a nazi bar demanding the .ml leftists behave according to their preferences
There is some slight irony to the idea that hardline .ml users consider themselves champions of the proletariat, while so vehemently disagreeing with the “normie” instance where most of the people are.
Ah, gotcha, my misunderstanding.
Then please recommend the .ml admins approve my application this time.
Until then, I could do with less patronizing about circumstances beyond my control.
You can probably message them directly.
Honestly these kinds of posts don’t bother me. I’m usually on here answering people’s tech questions or trying to provide useful resources to people. If they don’t see it because they have ml blanket blocked then that’s their loss.
Yeah, there are plenty people who ended up there early when they’re weren’t many other options. Or just didn’t know. Though it’s your loss as well. Cut off from several instances for the behavior of others. It definitely sucks.
Sure, but seeing posts like this encouraging discounting other people based on the instance they signed up on doesn’t make me want to switch instances so I can spend more time with them. Posts like these make it harder to care about what I’m missing tbh.
one of the best parts about lemmy.ml is no cm000spam
What is this in reference to?
This:
Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.
Some highlights from the link:
"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
“NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
Seems pretty reasonable really.
That said, about this:
or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
I’m not sure fair or unbiased really have meaning as terms. I think its more that they seem strong handed and are alleged to have opinions based on propaganda rather than fact.
I definitely think the main developer publicly having those opinions is awful though. Projects have had drops in support for less.
I definitely think the main developer publicly having those opinions is awful though. Projects have had drops in support for less.
To be clear, it’s the fact that they run what many on the outside perceive to be “the flagship” instance. Had they run an instance in the same manner, but with their admin profiles and identities disconnected from their dev accounts…we wouldn’t be here right now.
Then it would be easy to dismiss the Triad when advocating the Threadiverse to mainstream users as just “random instances that many others block”, just like hex and grad
there’s a user (cm0002) who is so fervently anti-communist that they’ve spent years at this point having a vendetta with lemmy.ml/grad/hexbear.
for the longest time they were taking anything posted to a .ml community vias rss feed and reposting it on .world/or other instances out of spite
they also churn through accounts, so people who block them get to re-block them on every new account they spin up
who is so fervently anti-communist
Nope, Anti authoritarian as per the Wikipedia definition for Tankie:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.
for the longest time they were taking anything posted to a .ml community vias rss feed and reposting it on .world/or other instances out of spite
Still ongoing, with reasoning supplied here:
Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.
Some highlights from the link:
"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
“NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
they also churn through accounts, so people who block them get to re-block them on every new account they spin up
I had my unrelated reasons, as I’ve specified before, though trolling .ml for a lil while was a fun side effect I’ll admit
Wish we could get rid of the diva and cowbee spam here as well
Is it “spam” for 99% of my posts and comments to be in my home instance, and for the overwhelming majority of my interactions be via comments instead of posts?
Bro must either be an egomaniac that has a bot combing lemmy to find instances of his name being mentioned or terminally online.
I mean it’s probably the same reason I responded, I sort by new comments/chat
You don’t need a bot to search your own username, you do know that right? And you don’t need to be particularly egotistical to do it either, just halfway competent
I search my name from time to time.
you could simply block me if you’re tired of my insights 😇
I’m not constantly spinning up new accounts like cm so it would probably be the last you see of me
No no. That would be a concession
Cut off from several instances for the behavior of others
Name them please. Because as far as I know, its a few small ones with barely any traffic?
If we’re missing more animosity like this thread then we’re probably not missing much at all.
Cut off from several instances
which instances?
I mean, you can say that, but its not really their loss, because you’re asking them to accept a lot more than just you.
It’s a package deal, and that package deal includes a boatload of clueless tankies who will happily copypasta the most outlandish ideas from their troves of propaganda to explain why actually brutal dictatorships are model societies for the left to ascribe to.
When I say I don’t usually engage with these types of posts, it’s because I remember several others like it that I chose to ignore. Checking OPs history, it seems they posted every other one that I remember. I don’t count it as a loss at all if people like this make their own decision to block ml because I’d rather not see this kind of drama all the time. It doesn’t matter to me if they see it as a loss or a gain, I’m still gonna be here engaging with and helping people who need help in various communities. To me it’s not a loss if someone isn’t able to receive my help if they decide that it’s not worth it to them - that’s their decision to make, and I’d rather not worry about people who are going to behave like OP.
The constant handwringing and wishing about ml users suffering more from being blocked because you don’t like certain users honestly reeks of a sore ex who wants to twist the knife. If ml bothers certain users (I’m looking at OP especially) then just block ml and stop posting about it repeatedly (looking at you OP).
To me it’s not a loss if someone isn’t able to receive my help if they decide that it’s not worth it to them - that’s their decision to make
You specifically said
then that’s their loss.
though. Like they’re missing out.
The constant handwringing and wishing about ml users suffering more from being blocked because you don’t like certain users
That seems like you’re going out of your way to ascribe malice to people who don’t want to be inundated with a certain type of tankie as if their goals are to hurt people as opposed to not be annoyed by their feeds.
honestly reeks of a sore ex who wants to twist the knife. If ml bothers certain users (I’m looking at OP especially) then just block ml and stop posting about it repeatedly (looking at you OP).
You can’t think of any reasons someone might not want to block but might still complain?
I mean here you are simultaneously advocating for not throwing out the baby with the bathwater when it comes to ml users, but then in the same breathe, you are saying people should simply block ml if they have complaints.
It doesn’t seem consistent to me.
More than that, people can choose which instance they want to be on. You could switch to a different instance at any time, and many people have accounts on multiple instances.
With no public vote scores etc, all you lose is a post history that is spotty anyways due to how many posts get deleted on lemmy.
To me it’s not a loss
I think it’s a loss to other people
These are not mutually exclusive and not contradictory at all
That seems like you’re going out of your way to ascribe malice
Do you not see the post at the top of this thread??
You can’t think of any reasons someone might not want to block but might still complain?
Imo this is not complaining, this is shit stirring. This meme isn’t even acknowledging that there are multiple types of people on ml, but advocates for treating everyone the same. Do you not see an issue with that?
I mean here you are simultaneously advocating for not throwing out the baby with the bathwater
This is your assumption. All I’ve said here is that I don’t care, I’m only commenting because this is the 3rd shit stirring post made by this OP, and I consider it a loss to those who block ml, but not to me. I’ve glossed over multiple posts like this from OP in the past so I clearly do not care if people view ml like this, it only reinforces the fact that I’m not missing anything by not being able to engage with people who are this immature.
These are not mutually exclusive and not contradictory at all
I mean the first one said its not a loss generally, not specifically but I can accept that you meant it differently than typed.
Imo this is not complaining, this is shit stirring. This meme isn’t even acknowledging that there are multiple types of people on ml, but advocates for treating everyone the same. Do you not see an issue with that?
I don’t think this has the full context.
You can’t really conveniently sort tankie from non tankie.
ml is a self choosen label though, so people can choose not to use it.
This is your assumption.
How is it an assumption at all? You literally say it again here where you advocate for not treating everyone the same.
All I’ve said here is that I don’t care
You’ve spent multiple comments expressing that lack of care… which doesn’t make it seem like you don’t care, but instead makes it seem like this bugs you because you feel its unfair, and you’ve said as much here.
it only reinforces the fact that I’m not missing anything by not being able to engage with people who are this immature.
But you are engaging with them… I am very confused. The people you are seeing the memes of are the people you are engaging with. The others, they probably aren’t posting about this and simply have it toggled off.
Mightn’t this be a case of the loud ones being the people who are complaining vs the silent who simply have moved on?
Anyhow, I just think its impossible to ignore that certain servers obviously follow some cultural trends. Some are even enforced by said servers and its communities. Many really, when you think about it (Its kinda what rules do to some extent).
but I can accept that you meant it differently than typed.
I did not mean it differently than typed. I said “to me it’s not a loss” and I mean that. To me it’s not a loss, to them it is.
ml is a self choosen label though, so people can choose not to use it.
And people can choose to treat people the same based on that label, and I can choose to think it’s immature. And at the same time I can not care if people choose to cut themselves off from ml.
You literally say it again here where you advocate for not treating everyone the same
No, I advocate for not dismissing people solely based on their chosen instance without taking into account their actual views. I do not advocate against blocking ml entirely, because I don’t view being cut off from people who make those types of assumptions as a loss for me.
You’ve spent multiple comments expressing that lack of care… which doesn’t make it seem like you don’t care, but instead makes it seem like this bugs you because you feel its unfair, and you’ve said as much here.
Only because you and other people have spent multiple comments not understanding me so I’m only repeating myself. I’m only commenting because this is the third shit stirring post by the same user, and I only chimed in to another ml user that I’m not bothered if people decide to block ml because it’s a win to me to avoid immature people and in my view a loss to others because I spend most of my time on lemmy giving tech support to others.
But you are engaging with them… I am very confused
No, I engaged with someone else on ml, and then you couldn’t resist engaging with me. I don’t see what’s confusing about this. I don’t think I’m missing anything by not being able to engage with this post. Yet it’s here, so I’m engaging with it. That doesn’t mean I value this engagement or would miss it at all. Let me again repeat that my preference is to ignore these types of posts, which is why I refrained from commenting on the other similar posts OP has made in the past. It’s kind of silly to assume that engagement means you necessarily value the content.
Do you similarly think engaging with a racist by arguing with them means you must also value their content or presence? Of course not. Chiming in to say that I would not miss them, but also disagree with their views, is not contradictory.
Anyhow, I think I’ll go back to ignoring these types of posts. I think this kind of blanket assumption about people based on their instance is a net negative to the community. That said, I don’t think it’s at all inconsistent to both view OPs attitude as immature while simultaneously not caring if they decide to block ml, precisely because being blocked by immature people is not a net negative to me.
Merry Christmas!
I really need to get off .ml
A few crazies ruin it for the rest of us. I’m riding it out, I’ve been here longer than most of them 😂
It’s literally impossible for you to have been here longer: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Lemmy
I got off world to begin with cause of some stability issues they were having way back from a reddit flood. Now I gotta move again lol
Mostly don’t want to lose my post/comment history
I jumped in .ml by random and it’s crazy how had the hate is. If you find a good intance DM me sir.
It’s weird, I hopped off ML due to how much hate other users were giving me, but I never actually experienced anything from the ML users themselves. I did stay off the politics subs, so that’s maybe why, but it was genuinely quite a chill instance for me.
Anyway I’m on UK now, and people seem to treat me nicer
It’s similar in Lemmygrad.ml and Hexbear.net. Very chill usually, it’s the hatred they get from liberal-aligned instances that sparks all of the drama.
I agree. Whenever there’s a post about .ml users it comes from .world.
I understand if there’s political differences, but they incessantly try to vilify the whole instance.
You let them bully you into changing instances lol
I did. Have you not met some of these people? I’ve got kids, man
Weak
Early on I poked around ml, and it wasn’t so much hate but more like some really… interesting views on how to organize politically
It boiled down to “unite the workers of the world and seize the means of production”, but like… That was it. No answer to how to do that, or what to do next
The most annoying part was honestly just how hard some of them simp for China and Russia, sometimes even North Korea
Marxists absolutely have advice on how to organize, the problem is that it’s very regional. Some parties are good, others are horrid, but the basics are to find a good organization local to you and join it. Protesting, reading theory, doing direct action and mutual aid, unionizing and striking, all are good ways to organize.
None of us “simp” for the PRC or DPRK, and certainly not for the Russian Federation. We support socialist countries and critically support those working against the US empire.
Marxists do. Ml? It’s like… Unite the workers of the world by teaching then dielectrical materialism!
No… No. That’s not how reality works. You do have to restrict your ideology to reality, I don’t mind if your ideas spill over the sides, but they do have to exist in material reality
I’m not sure I follow your point. The Leninist aspects of Marxism-Leninism are mostly Lenin’s analysis of imperialism, the heights of which capitalism had not quite reached in Marx’s time, and in practical organizational theory. Marxism-Leninism posits that we should create a working class party, study the given conditions of the country we are in (history, contradictions, class struggle) in order to correctly identify the key issues to organize around. In doing so, the working class needs to gradually choose the vanguard party, meaning a vanguard party that fails to do so is no vanguard. Only then, when the conditions of revolution appear, can the vanguard direct the great quantity of the working class to achieve a qualitative change in society, into socialism.
Marxism-Leninism is based on practical struggle, based on reality, on the material world. The point of philosophy is to change the world for the better, not simply understand it. Education is merely one aspect of Marxist-Leninist praxis, used to create more effective revolutionaries, but is by no means the only.
Marxism-Leninism posits that we should create a working class party, study the given conditions of the country we are in (history, contradictions, class struggle) in order to correctly identify the key issues to organize around. In doing so, the working class needs to gradually choose the vanguard party, meaning a vanguard party that fails to do so is no vanguard.
This. This right here. What is the vanguard party? Oh, it’s the party the workers rally behind! We’ll know it because the workers will rally behind it!
Marxism is a useful analytical framework to use when looking at capitalism and alternate systems
Ml is a belief system full of holes plastered over by no true Scottman logic. No part of it is effective in the current day and age as political guidebook, we live in an entirely different era
Yeah, I have to admit the anti-US sentiment did align nicely with my eurocentric views. But the pro-Russia and pro-China sentiment did not jell with me very well, and was a factor of why I left
So funny story guys, I was hanging out at a Nazi bar but they weren’t all that bad. In fact, they even bought me some drinks. The real problem was all the people outside the bar that would harass me with comments like, “why are you hanging with Nazis.”
Equating communists with Nazis is a form of Holocaust trivialization called “Double Genocide Theory.”
So funny story guys, I was minding my own business at literally the main bar downtown, when a bunch of hard-right nutjobs threw gin in my face and called me a nazi saying “don’t you know who owns this bar”. Bitch, I was just having a drink at the first bar in town.
Anyway, I learned to stay clear of the bar they were asking me to join instead, because who in their right mind joins a bunch of random wackos throwing gin in people’s faces.
I guess the Swastika and picture of Hitler was just their way of “decorating”.
Again, communists and Nazis are diametrically opposed.
It’s funny, I only ever saw you guys putting those up
Oh I have been abused by .ml community many times with their BS and Alts.
You know who hasn’t lied and treated me like shit? People posting anti .ml memes.
Get bent with you apologizing nonsense. I also like how you frame yourself as the victim which is typical right wing nonsense.
ROFL, About 7 in 10 of my interactions with .ml are either positive or neutral
The vocal side of hexbear is almost completely unhinged.
Calling leftists “almost completely unhinged” is more of a self-tell than anything.
I mean…they didn’t call “leftist” unhinged, they specified a specific group.
Hexbear does not equate to all leftist, and leftism does not equate to Hexbear.
The overwhelming majority of the time people have issues with Hexbear, it’s the leftism.
That may be true in some part, though I think people on Hexbear tend to conflate any criticism of their personal takes on leftism as an attack on leftism as a whole. However, in this case he did specify the “vocal” aspect of Hexbear. So I think you’re just being a little oversensitive.
This is essentially gaslighting. Almost every time I saw a reply that was so out of line toxic was from hexbear. Ex: “disgusting capitalist bootlicker. Kys.” under a post saying we should vote for Biden. I can go find these actual words on the post that was titled “get out and vote!” with an image that said “not voting is a vote for trump” if you want.
Tankies are so far from left they’re basically MAGA.
“Tankie” is just a pejorative for those that uphold socialist countries as legitimate, and oppose the US empire. Communists are not anywhere close to MAGA, and pretending they are is sophistry.
That’s not what tankie means, but nice try.
Ah yes, that should fix it.
Oh shoot I broke the rule in the meme!
Shutting out the voices of leftists is the rule in the meme? Sounds like we should break that.
Sorry cowbee, youve got no power here. I thought I had you blocked already. Leftist is fine, I draw the line at tankie. Blocked at instigator.
I don’t have “power” anywhere. Having issues with Marxists is still generally a bad thing that should be a broken rule.
nice try tankie.
If their problem wasn’t with the communism but instead with the hatred they get, then Hexbear.net is good, which uses an allow-list for federation. It’s a very chill instance to use.
Communism lol
Yep, Marxism is communist.
Yes exactly.
Not whatever that far right, conservative shite the tankies are smoking.
. Zip is deec
.zip is good all rounder. I second.
Please go to piefed🙏
Lemmy.ca has been fantastic
zips good, moved here when ee died
