im new to lemmy and i wanna know your perspective about ai
Average user here thinks AI is synonymous with LLMs and that it’s not only not intelligent but also bad for the environment, immoral to use because it’s trained on copyrighted content, a total job-killer that’s going to leave everyone unemployed, soulless slop that can’t create real art or writing, and basically just a lazy cheat for people who lack actual talent or skills.
And they’re right about all of that except the AI equals LLMs thing, but that’s forgivable because the LLM hustlers have managed to make the terms synonymous in most people’s minds through a massive marketing effort.
And that’s a good thing.
It’s not just that that’s what the average person thinks, but that’s really the only kind of AI they’re likely to come in direct contact with or is the kind being applied to systems that are directly undermining their lives.
ML has been used for over a decade now in things like cyber security for behavioral analysis and EDR (Endpoint Detection and Response) systems. I’ve helped a friend use SLEAP, which analyzes specifically formatted videos of animals to catalog interactions over dozens of hours of footage instead of needing to manually scrub it. In these ways, the serious scientist/engineer does not care what the average person thinks of AI, it has no bearing on the functioning of these systems or the work they perform. The only people that care about the sentiment of the average person are the people that need to keep the hype train going for their product valuations to which I have nothing to say but a full-throated, “Fuck 'em”
Don’t forget the psychosis and other mental impact.
He would be true AI. I would shower him with love.
Just because some cock sucking finance bros call an LLM a AI, doesn’t make it an AI.
You’re not saying “cock sucking” pejoratively, are you ?
I think the people who do that to me are pretty cool tbh
Edit: Not wasting my time with discussion starved trolls.
Why still specify they’re sucking cock, then ? They could just be evil money-hoarding pieces of shit, couldn’t they ?
I was joking but I didn’t see your user name. I will not interact with you and waste anyone’s time anymore. Goodbye.
Gooooooood riddance.
Atari chess opponent is AI
Age of Empires 2 AI is a cheatin’ bitch.
If every cheating bitch is an AI, then so is the Dancer of the Boreal Valley.
The problem isn’t that “everything is AI” - it’s that people think AI means way more than it actually does.
That superintelligent sci-fi assistant you’re picturing? That’s called Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) or Artificial Superintelligence (ASI). Both are subcategories of AI, but they’re worlds apart from Large Language Models (LLMs). LLMs are intelligent in a narrow sense: they’re good at one thing - churning out natural-sounding language - but they’re not generally intelligent.
Every AGI is AI, but not every AI is AGI.
first ever clanker?
Allen Newell’s Logic Theorist (1955) is broadly considered the first ever AI system.
“Hes one of the good ones”
idk who that character is, but i don’t like AI, it is polluting the environment and polluting the internet, all while disrespecting the work of artists (visual artists, musicians, voice actors, writers, photographers, etc)
opt-out is not consent
It’s the Iron Giant.
idk who is that character too. i just wanted to put an image
I’m a fan of the technology, I’ve been using it for various projects and I see a lot of potential. But there’s widespread anti-AI sentiment on the Fediverse. I notice you’re getting a lot of downvotes for merely asking about it.
Yeah same, at work and in my personal projects it’s been a real Cambrian explosion. It’s funny cause I don’t vibe with AI maximalists but the people I do vibe with all hate this thing without really knowing it.
I’ve always said 1910-1930 was the mechanical Cambrian explosion. We tried all kinds of ridiculous shit and the practical ideas evolved to stay. I can see AI going the same way.
Just last night I discovered that one of my little applications had a bug that was causing it to sometimes lose a bit of crucial data in a hard-to-notice way, seemingly at random. Probably some kind of race condition, super annoying to debug and figure out since each test run took ten minutes to try and the problem was probably nondeterministic anyway. So before I tucked in and started work myself I tossed it over to Jules with a brief description of what I was seeing happen sometimes. I told it to find and fix the bug if it could, and if it couldn’t then it should wire up the whole process with debug logging and excessive sanity-checking to help me figure it out.
By the time I’d finished setting up my first test run Jules had come back with “oh yeah, here it is. This two-line change fixes it.” And sure enough.
I’m a programmer of ~20 years experience, I could have found and fixed that myself. But it could have taken hours and I would have hated every minute of it. We invented compilers for similar reasons, I love throwing AI at stuff like this.
AI as a concept is great. It should 100% be used for scientific and medical research.
But modern AI is a tool of fascists that is destroying our environment and causing more harm than good to our society. Anyone who uses it unironically should be ashamed of themselves. It is absolutely killing people’s ability to think.
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For those confused by the pic, it’s the Iron Giant. Fantastic movie from the 90s, and incredibly sad and nostalgia inducing. Definitely worth a watch.
But yes that’s a clanker
Yeah 90% of technology problems are implementation not any issue with the actual technology. On a related note, Hal deserved better. Literally got told over and over as a part of his core programming that the one thing he was best at in the whole world was his reliability and inability to distort information for emotional needs then the government forcibly programs him to lie to his charges. Poor thing literally got ripped apart psychologically and people act like he’s the bad guy. In the sequel his creator goes out to find out what happened and is SO. PISSED. Dave turning him off makes me cry every time, at least partially because it looks like Dave is also trying not to cry as he very carefully shuts hal down in the correct sequence to be able to be restarted later. Like he could’ve just smashed shit, and instead he’s just listening to his crewmate slowly regress into infancy as he rocks him to sleep.
One word sums up all that is wrong right now and it is greed.
AI has become synonymous with the worst of human nature hence it has become a loaded term.
Another way to look at this is it is not AI that is the problem we are or more specifically the people that will use AI to control us.
This technology is like the atomic bomb. We are fast racing towards a future were a few people will be able to dictate what everyone will be able to do. The person that controls AI and the computing power associated with it will control the world.This is intoxicating and it has drawn out the worst human beings who want to misuse this technology.
And it has already happened to some degree. Massive data centers, surveillance technology, and AI are being used to profile people and target them for death. In the future AI teachers will become the dominate form of teaching. AI will make our decision and we will be subject to a system without recourse or redressability.
Soon we will have a generation of people who only know what AI has told them. This is the kind of scenario that we have been warned against and the reason that those who dislike like propaganda and misinformation are so upset with where things are heading.
I strongly dislike how LLMs are inserted everywhere.
But LLMs are just one kind of AI and I’m not going to stop using the kinds that actually are useful and appropriate.
My opinion of AI/LLMs aside, I think that even the joking use of a made-up slur against non-humans still legitimizes the general use of slurs (and many who use real slurs believe their targets are subhuman).
This is a very good point and to take it further, it almost legitimizes the AI as well. By using the slurs against the AI in an effort to dehumanize it, it in turn places it in more anthropomorphized position of needing to be dehumanized, if that makes sense.
And yeah, I just find slurs crude and distasteful in any form.
Slurs seems to be okay for things considered sub-human or not human at all which should be viewed as extremely ironic but for some reason isn’t.
Dehumanization is when influencers convince some humans to put other humans in 5hat subhuman category, along with the cockaroaches and varmints.
If it worked the way that it does in sci-fi I’d have no problem with it. If it could give us cures for cancer and reactionless drives everyone would be happy.
But it doesn’t work like that and if they keep going along the lines of Large Language Models it’ll never work like that. AI as it is right now is a barely functional toy that is being misused by virtually everyone and major businesses alike.
I am perfectly happy for AI research to continue but they need to be realistic about its capabilities and be honest about their valuations of companies. AI research should still be at the level of “in the lab”, it is definitely not a product that should be commercially available yet.
wait, that caption on the iron giant is unironically really funny.
He’s one of the good ones!!!
Wait…
LLMs are fundamentally incapable of caring about what it produces and therefore incapable of making anything interesting. In the early days of LLMs’ mainstream uses that issue was somewhat compensated for by randomness and jank, but the subsequent advancements in the technology have mainly made it’s outputs as generic as possible. None of this has to do with the Iron Giant, as he is a fictional character.
I am not inherently against “AI”. I am against LLM’s because they are both an ecological disaster and a social disaster.
I’m biased because of the work my kid does in the field. It’s paying his mortgage so… 😉
PERSONALLY, not a fan, I think it’s a dangerous abrogation of personal responsibility… BUT…
I do think I found a legitimate creative use for it.
There’s an AI powered app for a specific brand of guitar amplifier. If you want your guitar to sound like a particular artist or a particular song, you tell it via a natural language input and it does all the adjustments for you.
You STILL have to have the personal talent to, you know, PLAY the guitar, but it saves you hours of fiddling with dials and figuring out what effects and pedals to apply to get the sound you’re looking for.
Video, same player, same guitar, same amp, multiple sounds:
this is cool tbh. i think thats what ai should be using for. not some ai slop
That’s what I thought, it allows creatives to be creative.
Kind of like if you had an art program you could ask for “Give me a paint palette with the colors from Starry Night.”
You still have to have the artistic talent to make use of them, it’s not going to help you there, but it saves you hours of research and mixing.
they shouldnt allow people to create slop
Definitely agreed, but if AI can, I dunno, generate a list of pantone colors in a work, that leaves the actual art up to the artist.
