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That’s good news. I hope it’s a budget device with a plastic case, SD card, IR emitter, notification LED, and headphone jack.
And a user replaceable battery!
And a projector!
Cry-laughing in Tank 4 Pro
And my axe!
I’d rather have it be a bit more mid to upper range, I want a nice processor and decent cameras
I don’t have any use for a “nice processor”. I have a basic one and I don’t have any problems with it.
As for cameras, I think it’s pretty clear at this point that it’s all about the software. The Pixel was winning blind smartphone camera tests with >10 y/o sensors.
The sensor size also plays a part, the pro has a pretty large sensor for a phone.
We’re talking about the pixel 7a here, the budget model, not a “pro” anything. It doesn’t have a large sensor.
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winning blind smartphone camera tests
It’s not hard to be the best blind smartphone camera.
LOL ok
Google literally made their own processor for those results though. The tensor chips might not be as high end, but it’s not a budget phone chip.
Samsung and Apple make their own processors too…?
I’m not saying they couldn’t get results with another processor, but that it still wouldn’t be a “cheap” processor found in a budget device
The Pixel 7a is a budget device.
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In a sense, but it’s more of a mid-budget phone. I’m thinking like $200 phones. Maybe the landscape is different than what I’m considering nowadays.
Edit: I might not be giving Motorola enough credit either lol
sam sung did, they abandoned for thier higher end models, i think thier “budgety phones” still use thier processor.
GOS already confirmed it’s shipping with a flagship snapdragon SOC so it won’t be a budget device. Maybe a future model though.
I think most of those other features are a long shot as well. The GOS team hasn’t really specified any preferences for non-security related features and I doubt Motorola would suddenly change their hardware design/direction.
Where did you see that?
It was announced a while ago https://www.androidauthority.com/graphene-os-major-android-oem-partnership-3606853/
I doubt Motorola would suddenly change their hardware design/direction.
That could be a reason for gaining the SD card and headphone jack. They already have a few phones with those features
Dude I miss notification LEDs so much. And there is no proper “do not turn on my screen” permission in Android so some app stubbornly wake my screen.
Also would add Display Output over USB to that list.
e-ink screen! i adored the motorola-f3 with the led segment screen
My crackpot theory is that we’re 10 years away from e-ink displays becoming the new hot thing. The clarity of looking at something that isn’t backlit is great. If they can solve refresh rate and resolution, we’re there.
For people who don’t watch videos in the phone, e-ink already offer nice refresh ratios. There are also a few with dual screens.
By the way, there’s also the nxtpaper technology, which I’m pretty curious about, but I never used it to know if it’s really good for the eyes
Don’t forget when you could listen to fm radio using the headphone jack as an antenna.
I thought that was going to be the future, but it’s easier to sell music from your music store when you kill am/fm radio.
And no notch or circle in my display!
This site is a (possibly AI) content mill. The sources are all circular.
It probably isn’t Motorola.Edited, see comment for clarifications…
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47053243
GrapheneOS was contacted by one of the largest Android OEMs in June 2025 and we’re actively working with them. They’re going to be announcing our partnership in March 2026 and the phones meeting our requirements with official GrapheneOS support are scheduled for 2027.
Xiaomi, Huawei, Honor, and Vivo are all larger OEMs than Motorola.
https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116148741815778719
We never ruled out working with Motorola, Samsung, Nothing, OnePlus, etc. We said none of their current devices meet our requirements which remains the case for all of them. Only future devices from our OEM partner can be supported and it’s going to take time to meet all of the update and security feature requirements. It’s planned for 2027 but we aren’t sure when in 2027 the devices will be launched. There’s a lot of work to get done on updates, MTE, etc. before then.
That sucks because Motorola actually is great at hardware
Those aren’t the real logos either.
one of the largest
The source is not this publication, the source is Motorola, as posted by a user on Reddit.
True. They are 11th or 12th so that is one of the largest.
I just meant they for the other comments just reference themselves.
Anyway, it would be neat to have more options and this isn’t the first time it has been brought up
https://www.androidauthority.com/graphene-os-major-android-oem-partnership-3606853/
I would love something with a good camera (sensor & (zoom) optics).
Damn, that’s surprising. Motorola has never been known for a strong update policy, and having a good update schedule is one of the key requirements for GOS. I hope they are addressing this issue.
I think this is exactly the win-win situation from this possible partnership: Motorola makes secure hardware and firmware patches, GrapheneOS takes care of the whole software security and timely updates (they already do).
I thought the same initially, but Lenovo also owns the ‘Think’ line of products which have historically been targeted at business customers and known for security. Whilst neither of the ThinkPhones currently meet GrapheneOS requirements, Motorola has been improving in that regard (according to GrapheneOS). Motorola also recently released a phone with 7 years of security updates, which is unusual for them.
Motorola, although it is now owned by Lenovo, is still headquartered in the US. North America continues to be one of its primary markets, and it’s the next biggest company there by market share after Apple, Samsung and Google. Micay is based in Canada AFAIK. Altogether it makes a lot of sense to me that Motorola would be the company to reach out, as opposed to another Chinese brand headquartered on the other side of the world with zero market share or presence in North America, or one with any prior reputation for security.
Yes, I agree with you. Motorola does seem to be the most likely collaborator. If they can fix the update schedule, make it affordable and release a phone that’s easily available world wide, it would be better than what the Pixels offer.
That’s on the cheap models. The higher end stuff comes with 4 years of updates
Fucking finally. The only reason I couldn’t get my hands on GrapheneOS is due to having to buy a Pixel which, wherever I look, would be around $400-$500 for something that they themselves admit would likely only get around 7 years of support.
I can’t spend that kind of money right now. I need something below $300 and if possible, below $200.
Honestly, $400-$500 for 7 years of support is a killer deal. 5 years ago the only manufacturer to give a meaningful amount of support was Apple, everyone else was up to 2, even for flagships.
But I completely understand your situation, especially if you’re trying to be fiscally responsible and NOT get your phone on a payment plan of some sort. The 7 years of support means you might be able to find a 2 year old Pixel for below 300 though? Unless they don’t depreciate fast enough for that.
Unfortunately the first device from this partnership is unlikely to be cheaper than the a series Pixel lineup. The GrapheneOS team already confirmed it will have a flagship snapdragon SOC. Have you looked into used a series Pixel devices? The 8a can be had refurbished in the low $200 range, and it will have software support for 5 more years. The 9a can be had for about $250 and will receive 6 more years of updates.
Bruh Android devices used to only get 2 to 3 years of support at most not that many years ago. 7 years is a MAJOR improvement.
Touche
I didn’t like the look of the batteries in the pixel watches. I actually have a Huawei watch (yeah, I know) and it’s great. Turns out, when you’re subsidised by the Chinese state you can make a good product that costs less.
I just picked up a Pixel 7 for 200 from swappa
for something that they themselves admit would likely only get around 7 years of support.
Do you know of an android device with longer support than 7 years? The norm is 3 years.
Is that thumbnail ai generated?
The logos look weird.The GrapheneOS logo looks like drawn by someone who remembers what does it look like but not what it represents.
oh i see.
You didn’t know that GrapheneOS is diversifying by also deciding to start manufacturing footballs (soccer for our American friends)?
Definitely, both are close but obviously wrong.
Looks like shitty photoshop of stock images to me.
It’s possible they are updating the logo in light of the partnership?
nope, i checked Wikipedia
Honestly thought they’d partner up with fairphone since both companies share a similar view in longevity for the end user. Hope Motorola does the same
GrapheneOS devs have been very clear about Fairphone not caring the slightest about security. They are the last OEM in the world they’d choose.
Can we get a grapheneOS lite for fairphone? I care about sideloading apps and removing gapps, not about state actors
In the absence of GrapheneOS, you could just flash LineageOS without GApps, right?
Fairphone has a partnership with Murena to ship a variant of the Gen 6 with e/OS/, don’t they?
Honestly this is the most interesting thing in the world of mobile for me since I initially heard about GrapheneOS looking to branch out to another OEM as an option.
Assuming it is in fact a Motorola phone, it would have to be a big piece of shit or unbelievably expensive for what it is before I wouldn’t be very tempted by it.
If it was literally a Moto G Power 2025/2026 with GrapheneOS out of the box for $300-$800 I would probably be on board. Supporting something not Google Play or Apple bound is important enough to me that I will pay some level of a premium price for it to support the mission behind it, like I do with System76.
lenovo doesnt strike me as a privacy lover and avid kernel updater.
Motorola is a major supplier of communication equipment for the IDF and produces bomb fuses used in IDF’s bombs. It also donated money to Project 2025.
I don’t know, I expect them to call it the (We’re clear on) OPSEC 1
I hope this will also be good for affordability and we’ll get GrapheneOS on more downmarket devices.
Switched from Motorola to a pixel for Grapheme. This is cool to learn!
Me too, I’ve grown kind of suspicious of Graphenes security so getting official support by Motorola is nice.
nothing is confirmed here, chill with the high-fives
Hell yeah. I use a Motorola so hopefully I can get back support.
GrapheneOS has strict requirements about hardware being secure enough, so if existing Motorola phones were secure enough then they’d already be supported. This is presumably about future devices that Motorola are going to build.
As an iPhone user from the 3G days, this is legitimately interesting to me. I love the form factor of the modern Razr flip-phones, and having access to a privacy-focused OS like Graphene might just tip me over the edge.
Anyone with first-hand experience, how’s Graphene OS with banking apps?
It runs fine on my Pixel 7a, I have an account with 2 Brazilian banks and they all work well.
Some apps just don’t work though, but they are far and between, an example is Brazil’s gov.br, which is a website that is used for ID confirmation on everything that pertains to the government (tax revenue, your own business details,etc.). But then an old phone does that job for me at home.
Speaking of Brazil, it is worth mentioning that Google Pixels are not officially sold here. The ones I did obtain I bought on a “Brazilian eBay” and there is no e-SIM support for it nor any warranty services. I had to do the battery replacement myself despite knowing that Google was offering to fix faulty Pixel 7a’s on NA/India/Europe/etc. I am only bringing this up because, coincidentally, 50% of Motorola’s smartphone sales are on LATAM. It’s a pretty smart move they are making if you ask me, they are aware they could explore this huge market it seems.
what is this brazillian ebay? I am struggling to find good ecommerce stores here in latam
oh I apologize, I should have just used it’s correct name: Mercado Livre/Libre. It’s pretty huge here.
And not just in Brazil! I think Perú and Chile are also big on MercadoLibre.
I haven’t had any trouble with banking apps. One gives me a warning but allows me to continue. Google Wallet doesn’t work for payments but that is just fine with me.
Is that the equivalent of Apple Pay? That’s pretty ubiquitous here in Australia.
Yeah same data harvesting in the name of convenience
My bank’s app won’t run on my Pixel 8 Pro with GrapheneOS. Most apps run fine. It’s pretty much just the bank app and eBay that refuse to run.
My bank has a website. Nothing needs to be an app. Fuck apps with a rake.
The only trouble with the website (my bank’s website at least) is that you have to input a passcode, then a secret password, THEN it’ll send a 2FA SMS for me to put in a third code. Yay for security, but I’d love to be able to login with my thumbprint.
Passkeys. Done.
Oh damn, why doesn’t eBay work? It’s not a deal-breaker, but it is an app I use with some regularity.
It annoyed me at first but it really doesn’t matter because the eBay website works fine. It’s just some companies choosing to use Google’s API to check OS integrity. It’s supposed to be a security check to make sure core components haven’t been hacked, but of course Google makes their API returns a “no” if your version of Android doesn’t let them run all their spyware.
Anyone with first-hand experience, how’s Graphene OS with banking apps?
Depends on the bank. Chase didn’t work, but bank of america did.
Banking and finance is the one area where Graphene falls over for me in the UK, on a Pixel 9.
In short, my bank’s app - Lloyds - doesn’t work on Graphene. At all. I have Play Services sandboxed, and I’ve tried all the tricks, but nope. No dice. The website works in the browser just fine, but is kind of a pain in the arse to have to manually log in to whenever I want to use it.
And, as with all Graphene phones regardless of bank, Wallet does not allow registration of any payment cards. Neither my credit nor debit cards work. Store reward cards do though, so that’s something.
Workarounds for me are currently:
- a Monzo card registered with my Garmin watch,
- my bank card saved in the Lidl app, which can be used for payments
- a magsafe wallet that holds my debit card
I’m led to believe that the Curve app can be used for contactless payments, however, I somehow failed the ID check when I tried to register with them, and their customer service is APPALLING. It’s been five months, and I’m still no closer to actually getting hold of anyone who might be able to help. Also, Curve was recently bought by Lloyds, so it seems likely that that option will be closed in the foreseeable future.
Ultimately though, it’s fine, and the benefits outweigh those few drawbacks.
Use your bank’s web portal. If your bank doesn’t let you use a web portal, switch fucking banks, because that means they don’t care about you.
Bank apps are filled with all kinds of tracking spyware.
Hello Moto
