tl;dr - convicted Guilty by jury, then-Governor of NJ who was handing out pardons like candy immediately pardoned him via a pre-existing clemency request that went into public view on the nj.gov website while they were clearing the courtroom after the jury left. Rest of the article is word salad, probably AI.
Thanks. NYT is paywalled.
Then use an add-on to block.
The article is so poorly written. I can’t believe people pay for this kind of garbage writing.
They don’t that’s why the writing is garbage
So what is the point of juged by your pears. Or is it we are not his peers cause we poor.
Unfortunately, we never were. They have just stopped pretending at this point.
You forgot about how humid it was.
I don’t have a problem with the writing style. Doesntseem like AI to me.
Not just a rich man, the nepo baby of a Democratic party power broker, apparently
FTA:
“Unfortunately, when politics pervades justice, the rule of law becomes subordinate to influence and power…a conviction can be rendered meaningless not by the verdict of a jury, but by the intervention of political power and connections,” the ACPO spokesperson wrote. “Justice must be blind to status, relationships, power, and expediency; when it is not, the community loses faith in the very system meant to protect it.”
Well give that fucking family OJ treatment cant pardon away a civil suit. And since he was found guilty well then take that fucking families wealth.
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How so? I’m not that familiar with either of them other than knowing they are news outlets.
Unsurprisingly the same Governor that made plates and insurance mandatory for all e-bikes. Guy had a busy week as he was leaving office apparently.
Issuing this pardon before the jury had even rendered the verdict. Funny how mountains can be moved so expeditiously when it’s for a friend.
I just realized that the knowledge I have from newspapers from my youth no longer applies. They no longer put the most pertinent info near the top, but at the bottom. Burying the lede is just the default nowadays.
The governor pardoned him almost immediately after the jury came back.
Pictures of the victim and his family/friends, no pictures of the dickhead or his piece of shit father in either article. Interesting.
Image search of Harris Jacobs Joe Jacobs brings them all up if you want. I’m not likely to run into them from 3000 miles away.
But if I did, I wouldn’t flee the scene like a coward.
I’m sure the pictures are not hard to find, which speaks to the journalism.
And the influence over it.
Holy shit, that article is tedious to read. Nowadays “good writing” seems to mean “jump around in the timeline a lot and write a whole lot of irrelevant backstory”.
The Tarantino Method, they call it.
The writer needs AI to pad the words in an article, and the reader needs AI to sum up an article quickly.
Maybe it was an AI?
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Its clear pardons are a major component of institutionalized corruption and should have some kind of formal review process by legislative bodies.
Imo if you attempt a pardon, and are overruled by either a majority of the state Congress or subsequently a majority of your electorate. You may split the sentence between yourselves equally.
And federal pardons should simply be abolished.
The power of the pardon is so fucking stupid. Make prosecutors and cops and judges accountable for legal malpractice, and make legislators include negating convictions as part of legislation that changes a law.
I really like the idea of invalidating the law if a pardon was issued. I immediately wonder how fascists would use it as a weapon somehow.
They pardon someone for being a pedo.
Maybe your plan wouldn’t work so well.
We can not allow 2 justice systems to exit. If the law isnt equal for all, then what is it? What is the point?
The government wants our taxes, but refuses to represent us or protect us. Thats not what i signed up for. Thats not american. Thats not worth defending.
Oppression and control. Protection of the wealthy from the poor.
you already have 2 systems… it’s time to act to destroy them and fix it
To go further, it IS worthy of contempt, hatred, and VIOLENCE DESTRUCTION.
OPPRESSION MUST BE MET WITH AN EQUAL OR GREATER REACTION. EVERY TIME.
Here is another case of a connected rich man killing a poor innocent, and going scot free. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FmbwU3J-2kk
Bob Dylan - The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll
To be fair, pardons exist for cases such as The Hurricane
With great pardon power comes great pardon responsibility
I think also hesitency
It would been a shame if karma bite that guy in the ass and he got assaulted in the street and left for dead.
Vigilante justice. It doesn’t always work out. Occasionally it does. Just saying.
Sometimes the law makes the wrong decision and at those times, something can be done to correct that. That’s all I’m saying.
And sometimes they don’t. Perhaps we give pause and take a moment? Then maybe lady justice will do diligent service and we can collectively knuckle bump and call it a win?😃 I’m not in a hurry. Let’s see what a civil court says? Six dollars & my left teste says it will be settled ultimately after much dickering for a non disclosed amount. I reckon justice has a dollar amount set as an affirmation. And there still will be the divide. I am not exactly thrilled about this btw.
Vigilante justice. Chomping at the bit to dole out a death sentence based on a 34 word post title on a website.
I didn’t say that. You said that. What the hell is up with the death sentence talk?
Oh, I’m sorry. I was stereotyping vigilante mobs.
Wow. Such an assumer. I didn’t say anything about mobs. Perhaps your idea of vigilante justice is akin to an unruly mob of torch wielding townies that have come to string ‘em up? Good lord.
Vigilantes can’t put people into jail.
No, but they don’t have to murder them either.
True dat!
Should America be reformed, there should be a rule about pardons: A governor initiates the pardon, then 51% of all participating voters has to reject the pardon to prevent it. Further, the pardon’s effect is restricted to their state. A presidential pardon is national, but again requires 51% of participating voters to deny it.
This form of cancelling vote allows decision makers to have reasonable autonomy, but if voters vote against it, the pardon is easily denied by the public. The voter pool is whoever sends in a vote of yay or nay. So if there are people dedicated to preventing a leader from making bad pardons, they can get out the word and swell the pool of rejection votes.
IMO, we should have open-sourced digital and standardized direct voting on all matters, with physical laminated printouts for verification against the digital votes. Everyone attached to a city can vote there, those who live in a state can vote on state matters, and occupants of the nation can do the same on that level. No gender or qualifications, beyond having a residence within the nation, and having citizenship - regardless of how it was obtained.
It seems a LOT easier to just take away pardons entirely. They are abused more often than not.
Yeah, it sucks for innocent folks. But their sentence can still be commuted.
The fact we still have the death penalty that’s still unjustly applied across race is every reason pardon powers should stay in effect. Controls need to be in place for certain for them but getting rid of them I feel is a slippery slope into further punishment incarceration for minor infractions, especially POC.
Part of an overhauled America, would likely entail a redoing of all kinds of things. Including a standardization of criminal codes - getting rid of legacy criminal qualifications in every state, and starting fresh from a clean sheet design. Over time I expect that sort of thing to eventually devolve with the introduction of new codes, but we can enshrine things.
For example, requiring attorneys to switch between defense and offensive roles, allowing both sides to pick their representatives, make it so that all legal representation is free, standardize records of lawyers for people to review, ensure juries are split in half, each receiving an explanation of the defense or offense at the same time, ect.
To sum up: make it harder to game the legal system, and give the prosecution and defense equal standing. Right now, prosecutors get too many advantages.
Probably a topic best for the Legal Eagle team to roundtable and do some game theory on.
Pardon powers have been in effect while this was unjustly applied.
I understand the impulse, but they frankly don’t contribute meaningfully to the actual criminal justice system.
After Richard Nixons pardon, It should have been unequivocally. Fucking. Over.
Seems to me that this is a great argument for getting rid of the death penalty. It’s a win-win. No more pardons for the guilty, no more executions for the innocent.
In theory, pardons can be good for national security stuff. But yeah, outright elimination is definitely an option worth considering. There is a lot of baggage in the Constitution that wasn’t…good. We have much more hindsight to work with than the Founding Fathers.
with physical laminated printouts for verification against the digital votes
How do you keep your vote secret then?
You show your physical ballot if you believe that there is foul play, and need to prove it. Otherwise, your vote remains anonymous.
Secret ballot means no one, not even you, should have a record of who you voted for.
51% of all participating voters has to reject the pardon to prevent it. Further, the pardon’s effect is restricted to their state. A presidential pardon is national, but again requires 51% of participating voters to deny it.
Who are the voters in this scenario?
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we should have open-sourced digital and standardized direct voting on all matters
First of all: digital voting is famously difficult to pull off. Source: last two US elections, especially the 2024, where - somehow - the guy who’s friends with the guy whose company makes the majority of the voting machines, and who provides them all with Internet access, somehow knew the result 4 hours before the count ended.
Secondly: direct voting is probably the worst thing you could think of in terms of systems of governance.
Just think about it - all the flat earthers, all the anti-vaxers now get to vote in critical, strategic things. You get idealistic pacifists to vote on the military budget, and people who failed primary school to vote on the NASA budget. Laws are famously convoluted and full of tech- and lawyer-jargon, and you want to have Buck and Darlene from the trailer park voting on them?
Buck and Darlene don’t have financial incentives to attack Iran. Our richest and ‘wise’ leaders who had the resources and time to better the world, failed to do so. The argument you present is looking pretty frail, in light of the last decade. Also, in previous centuries, it wasn’t possible for direct voting to be effective in the US: The nation is huge in size. It wouldn’t have been easy to collect votes quickly. With a (free) smartphone in hand, anyone can instantly check out a voting measure and cast their opinion on it.
Secondly, I mentioned that there should be laminated receipts from the voting machines. Every voter may ask for it after casting their vote. Their cellphones can also have a QR code, so they they can go into the local print shop to immediately have their voting record printed out. Plus, open-source voting. That means instead of Diebold making the software, the federal government does, which has to allow inspectors from any state to make unannounced audits of the software chain.
Thirdly, I already mentioned who the voters are: the ones who cast an vote. Requiring absolutely 51% of EVERYONE is unrealistic. Instead, the voting pool should adjust according to how many people cast a vote. So if 5,000 people cast votes, 2,501 have to say ‘Nay’ to prevent a pardon. We can require pardons and other voting things to have 60 day deadline. The first 30 days are an announcement and commentary period, the later 30 days are for the actual voting. This helps prevent secret ‘riders’ and whatnot being free of scrutiny or getting a surprise vote.
Buck and Darlene don’t have financial incentives to attack Iran
Financial? No. But they’re using Facebook, and the military industrial complex has been bombarding their feed with rage-bait of how Iran is going to rape their children, so they decide that US has to bomb Iran first.
Our richest and ‘wise’ leaders who had the resources and time to better the world, failed to do so
Mate, that’s not a problem with democracy. That’s a problem with the fact that you currently have an organised crime ring that’s taken over the country, and your entire rule of law got kicked in the balls.
With a (free) smartphone in hand, anyone can instantly check out a voting measure and cast their opinion on it.
Mate…
First of all: digital voting is famously difficult to pull off. Source: last two US elections, especially the 2024, where - somehow - the guy who’s friends with the guy whose company makes the majority of the voting machines, and who provides them all with Internet access, somehow knew the result 4 hours before the count ended.
Did you miss this part?
Secondly, I mentioned that there should be laminated receipts from the voting machines. Every voter may ask for it after casting their vote. Their cellphones can also have a QR code, so they they can go into the local print shop to immediately have their voting record printed out
You seem to be under the impression that “vote fraud” means Belarusian or russian levels of comedy, where the person committing fraud wins by taking 90%+ of all votes.
How it actually happened in your case was by flipping a couple thousand votes here and there.
Which means one of two scenarios:
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Nobody gives a shit because the difference looks realistic enough to not suspect anything.
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People get salty and call for re-counts for every single vote they lose.
Also: people get receipts? Great. How do you anonymise their votes?
Also-also: people can call for a re-count? How many people? One person can cause the re-count of all votes? Do you need a percentage? If so, how is it collected? Via an online service, such as change.org, famous for being botted non-stop? What happens if most people forgot to take their receipts? Or threw them out?
Plus, open-source voting. That means instead of Diebold making the software, the federal government does, which has to allow inspectors from any state to make unannounced audits of the software chain.
Open source doesn’t protect you from exploits, mate.
Thirdly, I already mentioned who the voters are: the ones who cast an vote. Requiring absolutely 51% of EVERYONE is unrealistic. Instead, the voting pool should adjust according to how many people cast a vote. So if 5,000 people cast votes, 2,501 have to say ‘Nay’ to prevent a pardon
Right. So, knowing that the vast majority of people would lose interest after the second vote (it’s already difficult to drag their arses into the booths once every four years), you’d end up with big businesses offering thousands of votes for whatever case in exchange for a payout.
It is my assumption that an America that has been overhauled, would have UBI. Thus free smartphones, because they make it easier for people to do stuff. Anyhow…
1: Open-source means anyone can look at the code, be it on their machine or at the repository. With things like hashing, it can be verified at each step of the voting process that the vote remains intact by auditors. The voting software should be device agnostic, and be something used in all elections and voting. By making the software itself uniform each year, it is easier to notice when something is off. This is very different from Diebold and other physical devices, because those are black boxes.
2: The receipts are not about anonymity. They are laminated so that people can keep them in storage, and bring them to a poll verification booth if the call goes out. The digital vote is anonymous when cast, the physical ballot reserved for when volunteers are willing to reveal their vote in public. While obviously not fool proof, it is an extra step against corruption if needed.
3: Obviously, there would have to be laws against corruption to go with a redefined nation. Also, a UBI-based society would have less corruption, because money is associated with luxury, rather than necessity. The punishment for being bribed to vote for an interest, could be to have UBI income penalized. UBI supplies, such as beds, food, housing, internet, ect, aren’t taken away - just the money for buying fancy stuff that UBI doesn’t provide. People who are greedy, would have to think about whether they want to lose their guaranteed income for a potential bribe.
4: When it comes to calling for a recount, it could be something like 20% of previous participants of a voted measure calling for it, or 30% of eligible voters, whichever milestone is reached first. Presumably, frivolous calls for a recount would automatically fail if they haven’t garnered support. Presumably, the open-source voting software would be used for collecting the voting metrics.
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The point of laminated receipts, is to allow a voter to give physical proof if something is wrong with the digital system. If there are enough people who reveal their votes, they can use it to force an investigation. By having every physical ballot laminated by default, people can just toss it into a storage box and not worry about it falling apart if something comes up some years later.
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It is my assumption that an America that has been overhauled, would have UBI. Thus free smartphones
OK, so if you’re dreaming of a utopia, why complicate things? Just assume America doesn’t have greedy businessmen and then even capitalism works perfectly fine.
Open-source means anyone can look at the code, be it on their machine or at the repository
We already have that and there already are OSS projects that have been compromised. The most famous of which, the SSH backdoor, was discovered by the skin of our teeth. We have no way of knowing if there are more backdoors like it that went through undetected.
With things like hashing, it can be verified at each step of the voting process that the vote remains intact by auditors
It’s already being done. If the device doing the hashing is compromised, you still get a valid hash of a flipped vote.
The voting software should be device agnostic, and be something used in all elections and voting.
Meaning: even more open to fraud than the current solution.
This is very different from Diebold and other physical devices, because those are black boxes.
OSS is not a magic “fix security issues instantly” button. True, it can protect from a malicious company wanting to do a take-over, like with what Thiel/Musk did, but it opens you up to so many other attack vectors. Again, learn about the SSH backdoor.
The receipts are not about anonymity. They are laminated so that people can keep them in storage, and bring them to a poll verification booth if the call goes out. The digital vote is anonymous when cast, the physical ballot reserved for when volunteers are willing to reveal their vote in public. While obviously not fool proof, it is an extra step against corruption if needed.
Your “extra step against corruption” is just a worse version of what we currently have. The votes can be recounted as needed, only the voter anonymity is preserved.
Do you honestly believe that malicious actors wouldn’t make “calls for recounts” just enough times to learn exactly who votes how and then use that for spreading propaganda and sway the votes?
Obviously, there would have to be laws against corruption to go with a redefined nation
And they would somehow magically work, unlike the existing laws against corruption because…?
Also, a UBI-based society would have less corruption, because money is associated with luxury, rather than necessity
Everybody on the planet wants more. Maybe you can’t corrupt 300k UBI-receiving citizens, but you can corrupt the 10 businessmen who operate their news-sources.
When it comes to calling for a recount, it could be something like 20% of previous participants of a voted measure calling for it, or 30% of eligible voters, whichever milestone is reached first.
Got it. So, you get votes, on top of votes.
People would be doing nothing but voting, mate. You get to vote on your city laws, state laws, federal laws, then their recounts. In order to vote you need to read the laws you’re voting on, and these can be easily 500+ pages long, all in lawyer-lingo.
BTW - how would be re-writes of laws done? Also direct democracy, where the population has to read the law, understand it, see the pitfalls in the budgetary situation, international laws situation, international market agreements situation, human rights laws situation, and a billion other, and then agree that “the comma placed here makes the statement ambiguous, opening an avenue for fraud”?
Presumably, frivolous calls for a recount would automatically fail if they haven’t garnered support. Presumably, the open-source voting software would be used for collecting the voting metrics.
A lot of assumptions and presumptions going on to get this thing off the ground, no?
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American justice. Best justice money can buy.
I nominate this bastard as a potential resident of Luigi’s mansion.
