We’re going to have a world war against the USA and Israel. It might not be today, tomorrow or even in a few years… but I feel like it’s inevitable. They are rogue terrorist states and are responsible some of the most heinous war crimes in recorded history. They need to be stopped.
No way Europe meaningfully stands up to Uncle Sam, and heinous Israeli-American war crimes are nothing new. Trump still hasn’t actually outdone the Iraq war, for example.
They won’t because Europe is always on the loosing side and getting in any war is bad, against the us, let’s be honest, it would be a disaster. Europe have to protect their people too.
The war that will change the world will be US x China. China is a military superpower and it is surpassing the US, or at least matching them, little by little.
That’s the scary part for me. they will end the worldThey won’t because Europe is always on the loosing side and getting in any war is bad, against the us, let’s be honest, it would be a disaster.
I meant diplomatically and economically, not necessarily militarily. There are cards that can be played without getting into a hot (or even cold) war with the US; (most) European countries just don’t use them because A: Their elites profit from US war crimes too, and B: Most of them are happy being US vassal states.
Oh nooo yellow people
China’s real power comes from economics rather than military might. So long as the US keeps burning itself out fighting conflicts all over the world while China builds up peacefully, China will continue to grow in power and influence. They have no reason to force a conflict when they can simply win without fighting.
Imo the danger is entirely on the US side. At a certain point, we need to come to terms with our declining status and to try to make the best of it. Reduce our commitments, stop throwing our weight around, fix our domestic problems, and learn to compromise. We need to understand why China’s approach has been working and learn from it.
But that completely goes against how Americans think and act, and if we can’t do that, then there’s really one other alternative. It will become clear that the only arena where we can compete with China is militarily. There’s a significant possibility therefore that the US will start WWIII simply because of being too egotistical to accept second place.
The ruling class is (hopefully) sane and secure enough to not actually want to trigger nuclear armegeddon, but they are happy to play with fire. Fear-mongering and saber-rattling with China helps them justify funnelling money to the military-industrial complex which is profitable to them (and if it triggers a wave of anti-Asian hate crimes, they don’t care). But this carries the risk that an actual “true believer” is going to end up getting into a position of power and do the unthinkable. As long as the status quo continues and the fire keeps getting stoked, this becomes increasingly inevitable.
That is true, china is literally taking over the world peacefully and everyone is looking to the u.s.a having temper tantrums. I shared this before, the trilions of state money china is investing is some parts of the word is insane. They are not going to alow this to go to waste…and that’s my fear
Maybe I’m ignorant but if every English speaking nation stood together and told the US that they were being evil and doing wrong, and that they’d no longer join in with their invasions, the US would probably stand down.
Too bad they’re all pussies (Australia included)
No us is out of control under trump, no reason nor logic will influence the US unfortunately
This might have been the case under sane-but-horrible leaders like George W. Bush, Mike Pence, and the last Democrats, but I think this outcome is improbable as 1) that international united refusal didn’t happen when George W. Bush waged war over lies in the Middle East; 2) This administration is composed of hyped-up christo-fascists and their sycophants, and is goaded by oligarchs who want the destruction of the USA so they can buy up what remains.
It’s fucking wild that W is a beacon of sanity now. You aint wrong but its still fucking wild
I can just hope that the orange despot is the bottom and if we go even lower we’ll be back to the Stone Age level civilization if we’re lucky.
haha I paused a bit as I wrote that, too; but yeah. W Bush was stupid, a bad public speaker, and a warmonger… but he knew when to listen to his advisors.
I don’t know what people are talking about here, but Trump is an evil asshole and this will never work.
I don’t think so. They can’t manufacture their weapons if the rest of the world stops exporting parts and material inputs to them. They are very far from self-reliant.
That goes both ways, the US is the world’s arms dealer for a reason; not just to “make money”, but to insure that your military is dependent on the USA.
It’s happening now, western countries have just mostly decided to fall in line and support them
This is a gross generalization. It’s like aliens looking down on earth and saying “we really have to do something about these humans.”
Like, sure. We, as a species, might have earned that… But, is it all humans?
The right shift in power across nations could solve this. It starts with people acknowledging that the real issue is rogue governments. Right now in the United States, our government is rogue.
Random people born in Russia don’t want to kill Ukrainians any more than every American wants to kill random people in the Middle East. Our humanity is important, and where you’re born and live doesn’t dictate your loyalty to empowered dictators.
The movement that needs to happen is one where the people rise up in all nations, and unite. It starts with language. America doesn’t need to be destroyed any more than Russia, but their governments require radical changes.
i feel like the execution of the ayatollah was our century’s franz ferdinand. as in it’s already begun and will only get worse.
Doesnt work that way. Evil is not a country. You can attack it and try to destroy it, and if you succeed, another country will take its place.
But yeah, its worth doing anyway since it gives temporary relief. Otherwise the logic would be to not try to stop oppressive countries, and that obviously doesnt work either.
What this place needs is a big spiritual upgrade of humans, so they would stop becoming evil just for money and power.
Is your country doing business with the rogue terrorist states? is your country buying arms from the USA, or using the US Dollar to trade?
If you’re going to stop the USA, you better ramp up arms production yourselves.
The US has armed a lot of the world, and that world is dependent on the USA for specialists, training, parts, ammunition, F-35s, and so on, an endless list.
They did that for a reason, not just to make money, but to make DEPENDENCE. The first taste is free.
This is such a comically delusional and out of touch comment that can only be found in the bowels of Lemmy
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All european governments are supporting and helping israel government don’t make it an USA thing.
Just keep this in mind during the next election when you see the US suspects pushing “both sides” and “corporate dem” narratives. Don’t be a sucker.
Don’t be a sucker, vote for our private organization’s billionaire-curated mook!
The Ds won’t save you, it’s not 1938 any more. Biden was a 50-year hack and an embarrassment. Trump is a travesty and an embodiment of what you get when corporations are people and cash is free speech.
You won’t be provided with a Messiah to vote for, I’m afraid, not by the Democrats anyway
I voted Democrat, but I know it’s a joke, like voting for the next American Idol. I dunno how you could possibly take it seriously
They’re covering it here in Europe it’s on the news regularly. The problem is that nobody cares in Europe to do anything.
To clarify, they cover the facts of the matter in a very abstract, passive way - they’ll say that Lebanon is being struck by Israeli missiles and that IDF forces are telling people to leave their homes, but no one will even come close to suggesting that what’s happening is ethnic cleansing.
Just checked belgian national news and there’s nothing
The problem is that nobody cares in Europe to do anything.
Many do care but can’t do much about it. Decades of government and capitalism propaganda have empowered authorities beyond control and have make it hard for people to do something outside their work.
Wyatt should we do? Go to war with America essentially?
Sanction Israel for genocide for a start. Cut off diplomatic economic educational and financial ties with them. Like the world did with South Africa.
But Europe doesn’t give a fuck about genocide unless it’s on their soil.
And get pressured and possibly worse by America?
Then let’s sanction america. Why are you such a genocide apologist simp?
Why are you (whatever your country is) supporting America? Why is half the world using the US Dollar for international trade? How is your country enabling the USA?
Do you think the USA are Nazis? Do you think if you sit at the table with Nazis, you’re a Nazi? Is your country sitting at the table?
Ofc they’re nazis. Our politicians were most probably filmed by the cia on jeffrey island fucking kids. They also murdered leftist politicians.
My country doesn’t exist anyway we’re basically occupied by the germans.
Oh no, not pressured! I guess you’ll just have to keep supporting genocide
Fair. But if any bloc in the world can do it it’s the European Union. But their members don’t give a shit otherwise they would have by now.
The fact is no one in Europe cares about it. Years, decades, of weasel words and inaction. Years of illegal occupation and ifnoryof UN mandates. Years of on going genocide. But the people dying aren’t white Europeans… oh well too bad for them I suppose?
Yeah, and Pakistan and Indonesia have done what exactly? The Saudis have sanctioned and oil embargoed the US? Egypt has forced aid through the Gaza border? Turkey has seized American military bases? Right? Right? No.
Everyone is complicit. More or less every nation would rather have peace and comfortable political discussions, rather than stand up against the world hegemon. Some tried, Libya, Iraq, Cuba, Venezuela, and Iran. Find me one country that has opposed the US in this? And before you say Spain, let me note that they haven’t even kicked out their ambassador. What do you want from Europe that no other country is willing to do?
The difference is that European countries regularly proselytise how open and kind they are and how they respect the rule of law and international human rights. Pakistan / Saudi Arabia doesn’t 😄.
Everyone is complicit.
Yes. They are. But Europe should take a lead in this if I am honest. Lead by example that if you genocide people you can’t do business here.
But that’s not going to happen.
I agree 100%, and as a European I am disgusted by the political elites here and have been since the Iraq War when I marched in protest against their obvious violations of international law. But the so called democracies of Europe are in many ways plutocracies beholden to the plutocracy of the US. I’ve voted, protested, written in the papers and been part of organizations, yet my opinions are by the majority considered radical and unrealistic. But at least in Europe, people like me are not put behind bars.
I think sanctions have been tried a few times. People care. It’s just very hard to do anything meaningful aslong as America supports them 100%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sanctions_involving_Israel
The sanctions should be on the state who is building colonies and not simply some random settlers and settler orgs
Stop actively supporting Israel, mostly
Yeah. What are you scared of? Iran is kicking our ass.
There are European nations that send a lot of money to Israel every year. Maybe they can stop doing that?
They signed the genocide convention. It is a legal obligation
America defines what’s legal or not sadly
False It is the UN.
Yes. That is the solution.
Wyatt should we do? Go to war with America essentially?
Believe it or not, all people would have to do to stop the government is as simple as stop watching netflix or buying from amazon: the market would panic and so would the government.
Yes. Nuke new york
Israel commiting genocide/ethnic cleansing while the media utterly ignores it?
Thats utterly preposterous! How could such a thing happen again!? /s
Its OK God wills it or some bullshit like that.
Inshallah
Media ignores it?
What fucking rock u under?
It’s daily news, molasses.
Edit: goddammit username checks out… U got me.
The media cover the war but they do not say israel is doing ethnic cleansing
Just wait until you find out who owns the media
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I think Israel senses that the writing is on the wall. For decades they’ve preferred to gradually expand their borders, slowly antagonizing their neighbors and then using the resulting retaliations to justify land theft.
But this shtick is wearing thin. Slowly the tide is turning against Israel, even in the US. And Trump is likely to be the high water mark for US support of Israel. Trump’s given them a blank check, so they’re treating this as their last chance to grab as much land as possible while facing minimal international resistance. This is the fire sale of the US/Israel alliance.
Slowly the tide is turning against Israel, even in the US.
Is it? Public sentiment might be turning against them, but actual political support for them is only increasing, and not just from Trump; even ostensibly “left wing” governments like UK or Australia are still pulling out all the stops to ensure Israel gets what it wants and domestic criticism is crushed
USA can’t turn against Israel, it IS Israel, Israel is our baby. We made it with the UK, Israel is used for military and intel, more than anywhere else in the world. A forever hot spot and training ground
Lebanon’s government and military were actually helping Israel combat Hezbollah. It was the only path towards stability.
You see the thanks this got them…
Yeah, it’s a perfect example of why you should never comply with fascists. The only path towards stability is the complete dissolution of Israel and the denazification of Zionists.
How would you accomplish that? Is your violence any better than theirs?
Idk dude is self-defence better than murder?
Do you think foreign war is self defense?
They all claim to do self defense.
lol! literally no way to tell two contradictory claims apart. Is one claim more false than the other? Who can say? It’s just one of those unknowable mysteries of the universe that our dumbasses just can’t figure out.
Yes.
That’s very fascist of you :)
It’s very fascist of you to project that violence inarguably makes you a fascist. Violence kills nazis, too. Slave rebellions were violence. Every step of anything laughably comparable to American civil rights was won with violence. Your right to vote was achieved through violence. Fascists are defeated, explicitly, throughout all of history, with violence. At this point, who is benefiting from pacifism?
Then why are they in charge of your government?
A lack of violence against them. They’re the ones benefiting from pacifism.
“Is the violence of the allies any better than the violence of the Nazis!”
Yes
That’s very fascist of you :)
Lol. Is that really the best you could come up with?
What?
🙄
Israel is the USA’s military arm in the middle east, it is doing exactly what it was created to do.
Also, a lot of these borders they’re fighting over were arbitrarily created by the USA and UK after WW1&2 (including Israel of course). These borders have nothing to do with the reality on the ground, enemies were mashed together with their mortal enemies and called a country.
This keeps prices of their labor low, for maximum profits. Only the royal families make bank
I think at this point the US is Isreals military arm.
Yes very much, funding for universities come from jewish/israeli backers, and MIT is a basically a pipeline to the IDF weapons tech.
You got it all wrong. The US doesn’t want to do this, Israel wants to do this and have bought enough US politicians to pull it off. The US created a monster and it’s in control now. The US also needs a base in the middle east and wants access to Israel’s intelligence apparatus. Any time the US tries to flex, Bibi just threatens to make friends with Russia instead, and if the president is a giant pussy like Biden or especially Trump, they fold rather than call the bluff.
The US doesn’t want to do this
They are doing it right now and always had do it. War is a profitable businesses and a tool to get power.
The usa never stopped being an evil empire
its also no wonder why they keep targeting IRAN, the original govt before the SHAH was democratic, and they were afraid of nationalization of the oil, so they did a coup and installed the shah which eventually led to the islamic revolution, and they have been trying to get that back since. attacking iran now, likely will ensure the govt remains in place, and the uprising is largely quashed.
More like the US is Israel’s military arm in the rest of the world
You’ve got it backwards, US and UK formed Israel after WW2, Israel is “our” testing ground and intelligence hub for the middle east. “Our” meaning USA, UK, Boeing, Northrop, General Dynamics, et al, and their respective owners.
For the military arm in the Middle East they sure need a lot of US aircraft carriers and military bases to protect them against incoming missiles.
Yes, different “arms” of the military always, without exception, defend other branches of the military, allies, and their bases. They don’t all just sit in their own base and dig in, friend.
That would be stupid
You see, the aircraft carriers are big boats, and they hold these jets. The jets fly around in the air and shoot things with missiles and other arms. The important part for my point is that the carrier is MOBILE, and a place for the jets to land. So, of course we MOBILIZED our MOBILE base.
If an aircraft carrier is used, it is silly to conclude that the country that it is defending at the moment is more than a “military arm”. It’s used everywhere. Get it? That’s what it does.
I am not an expert, educate me if I am wrong.
Who fought the Iraq war, was that Israel?
Many countries fought in the Iraq war, check it out!
Type “iraq war” into that white bar, YOU CAN DO IT
Damn. Israel did not show up. What happened?
Since criticism of israel is antisemitic !!!
Israel and Zionists constantly conflating the state of Israel with the Jewish people is responsible for much of the rise of anti-semitism, and it’s all on purpose, too. Israel wants Jews living in other nations to feel more and more in danger so that they move to Israel so they can be used as settlers to push more native people out of their homes. It’s all part of the Zionist plan and has been since the formation of the state of Israel.
Meanwhile, pretty much every Jewish person I’ve met in Canada has been horrified by Israel’s actions and whole-heartedly support the Palestinian people.
Diasporadic Jews know who we are and what we’re about
Canada once again showing out much better than USA.
The Canadian governmenr is not stopping orgs selling occupied land in synaguoges
We try, although I wish more of our national identity was about actually being Canadian vs just not being American.
“Netanyahu announces plan to build gas chambers and to execute three million criminal anti-Semites.”
Unless the jewish people who oppose the actions of Israel start speaking up there may not be a difference going forward. Sadly.
Only a matter of time before they call it something else and the world’s media just pretends it’s always been part of Israel.
they call it “greater israel”
Easier to report when Israel is not ethnic cleansing.
its because its controlled by the same people who has ties to israel.
Stop it with your conspiracy theories. There’s literally a video running around oof a BBC journalist getting bombed live in lebanon. They’re covering it.
Not BBC. RT.
I’m not seeing any mention of the ethnic cleansing on BBC
I think they covered the subject in a fair and balanced reporting
Where?
They once barely acknowledged it, and asked several perpetrators about how they felt about unrelated things?
the same BBC that shills and support israel, lol.
They didn’t cover the cleansing of a primarily Muslim territory, why should it differ from cleansing primarily Christian territory?
We have greater fear of the word ‘antisemetism’ being used inappropriately against us than we are to appropriately speak out or take action to prevent the eradication of semetic people In Palestine and Lebanon. Here in the UK it was unlawful with many arrested for protesting in public or online. We cannot be the hand over evil by staying silent.
We have greater fear of the word ‘antisemetism’ being used inappropriately against us
We don’t, governments are using it as a leverage
Agreed. I think I intended “we” more collectively
And they want to bring the N word back too. Antisemitism should not be punished
The constant indiscriminate killing is insane.
What is even crazier is coming to realize with modern technology it isn’t indiscriminate and they may very well know with good accuracy who is dying before they do.
The implications of this type of warfare is beyond chilling.
What’s even cracrazier is knowing that with modernerer technology they have the same ethical assumptions as previously but with more targets and less precision!
Calling out Israel’s actions as a country have been declared “anti-Semitic”, and thus a hate-crime.
Ironic since anti semitisms definition includes comparing all semites with jews or a jews state.
They’re like cancer
