California’s bill, AB 2047, will not only mandate censorware on all 3D printers; it will also criminalize the use of open-source alternatives. Repeating the mistakes of DRM won’t make anyone safer, but it will hurt innovation in the state and risks a slew of new consumer harms ranging from surveillance to platform lock-in. California must stand with creators and reject this legislation before it’s too late.
  • SkyNTP@lemmy.mlEnglish
    922·
    15 days ago

    Do nothing about school shootings. Destroy hobbies and manufacturing instead. America is rotting from the inside.

    • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      16·
      14 days ago

      America has been rotting from the inside since WW2 (MIC, FBI and CIA terrorism, etc), then supercharged with Reagan. Frankly, it’s surprising it took this long.

    • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
      92·
      14 days ago

      And this is fucking progressive ass Cali.

      The left and the right can’t stop fucking with their bases long enough to fix real problem.

      • NauticalNoodle@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        13 days ago

        Cali was never that progressive as I mentioned in another comment the motive for their gun control was pure unadulterated racism. They were always center right neoliberal at best. Newsom fits in well with his predecessors.

  • rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    45·
    15 days ago

    But like… are they going to prohibit all forms of melding materials into a shape? You can make a shank out of a stick rubbed on a rock ffs.

  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.todayEnglish
    34·
    14 days ago

    Back when 3D printers were brand-new, I was at a college event where the Engineering Club had one on display. I stopped to watch it, and spoke with the kid who had built it. He was a Freshman, and had built it during the previous summer, because he wanted to come to college and make an instant splash in the Engineering Department.

    He certainly succeeded, because he was the one in the booth that everybody wanted to talk to, while the upperclassmen that hadn’t accomplished anything, sat in the back of the booth and glowered at the Freshman upstart.

    So anyway, if they ban them, we’ll just build them.

    • Crozekiel@lemmy.zipEnglish
      19·
      14 days ago

      I believe the entire goal of RepRap was to build a machine that could build all the parts needed to build another machine. Most of the parts for a lot of machines are either 3d printable or bog-standard off-the-shelf parts that could be used for millions of other things. I have a feeling the really scary target would be software, something similar to the draconian age-verification BS being run around.

      • Jiral@lemmy.orgEnglish
        4·
        14 days ago

        Targetting commercial offers would not cut it though. They would have to make octoprint, open source firmware etc a crime. A lot of printer run exclusively on non-commercial software and on Chinese control boards, with or without raspberry pi.

        • Crozekiel@lemmy.zipEnglish
          3·
          13 days ago

          That’s kind of what they already want to do, or are trying to do with this legislation. And the age verification stuff has no exception for open-source. The people behind this stuff absolutely want to kill any and all open source, both hardware and software.

      • NauticalNoodle@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        13 days ago

        I don’t see how they could realistically target Marlin firmware. It’s incredibly straightforward software/firmware that could easily be forked and duplicated. Even the old driver boards (Ramps) were originally hand-made pcb’s designed by fellow hobbyists.

        • Crozekiel@lemmy.zipEnglish
          4·
          13 days ago

          They make it illegal to distribute, install, use, etc. They make it illegal to sell, distribute, build, etc. any printer that can run on Marlin (hoping to force manufacturers to block anyone installing non-oem firmware on the machines at all).

          I’m not saying it’s reasonable or feasible, but the people making the laws clearly don’t know or care about any of that.

          Edit - If they make enough stuff illegal, they don’t need to catch you breaking the law when they decide to arrest you. They just arrest you and then figure out which crimes you were committing.

    • BC_viper@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      14 days ago

      This is called the proliferation of technology, its useless to fight it, and also one of humanities greatest existential threats.

      Sooner or later building a nuke in your backyard is going to be just as easy.

      Just FYI, I am full pro 3d printer, love mine. Looking into a second one now.

      • einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        123·
        14 days ago

        Sooner or later building a nuke in your backyard is going to be just as easy.

        No. Even if you would get your hands of enough base material (impossible and would also be bigger than your backyard in volume). The energy you need for sorting the isotopes would be more than you could pull out of your power wires.

        This isnt a question about technology but physics and energy, no matter how good consumer tech gets. NO you wont build a nuke in your backyard.

        The same way as you will never build a moon rocket in your backyard, some things just require a fixed amount of energy, and putting that amount of energy in your backyard just wont happen.

  • Taleya@aussie.zoneEnglish
    30·
    14 days ago

    jesus fucking christ the kind of person who has a machine dialled in enough to print a functional weapon that will actually work and not come apart in their hands or blow off their face is the sort of person who will also have the means and wherewithal to obtain a conventional weapon. And they will most likely turn to the latter if they want to do harm.

  • somethingDotExe@lemmy.worldEnglish
    251·
    14 days ago

    Is California just gone fucking mad after newscum? What is up with all these fucked up legislations against private freedom?

    • badgermurphy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      14 days ago

      Its really, really big and populous, and also ethnically, culturally, and socially diverse. I think those combined factors lead to California passing more volume and variety of laws than any of the other American states.

      Many of the laws they pass are regulation on business and consumer protection in excess of those provided by the federal government, but the socially progressive side of politics has its villains, too. Their villainy comes in the form of forced trading of freedom for security–outlawing activities that are dangerous to you, or banning objects and knowledge that have the potential to harm you or others even if they have other practical uses.

      Its the main reason why it is risky to fight for the victory of one’s own political “team” without further consideration. It is easy for people interested in the public good to be overzealous in enforcement of public safety.

      It’s hard to get broad agreement on where to draw that line. For example, I tend to lean in the “natural law” direction, where I think you should be allowed to have and do almost anything you want, so long as it doesn’t materially harm anyone else, even indirectly. Most other people, even on the left, find that relatively extreme and believe in more personal regulation in the name of increased public safety. For example, most Democrats support moderate to strict restrictions on personal firearm, chemical, and encryption ownership, rather than banning the illegal uses of those things themselves. It is more dangerous for people to be able to be able to get dangerous stuff, so it makes sense people would have a lot of differing opinions on where to settle between “Mad Max” and “Minority Report”.

      • NauticalNoodle@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        13 days ago

        they specifically only became supportive of restrictions on personal firearms after minorities started carrying them for protection from law enforcement overreach. It was a whole thing with then-governor Ronald Reagan

        • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          13 days ago

          Correct. They only care about this stuff because they don’t want anyone to use it on them.

          If you don’t believe me, just note how basically every single weapons ban written in the US magically has an exception for law enforcement carved into it. So… We (not me, but all you Californian people) can’t have, say, a butterfly knife but for some reason the cops can? What do they need it for that we don’t, exactly?

    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      210·
      14 days ago

      Is the last one you’re referring to the age verification one? If so, you should know that was good legislation that makes it easy to block federal attempts at something far worse.

      • somethingDotExe@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        14 days ago

        Wtf are you talking about? It only blockw the private user. Litterally much more control over the devices inside the USA. Lot more survailance, how is this acceptable?

  • Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.worldEnglish
    19·
    14 days ago

    It wont stop anyone looking to print a silencer. It will just make it closed source and pay per print. Its a idiots solution.

  • JelleWho@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2415·
    15 days ago

    So try and ban 3D printing guns, because that’s too dangerous. But still sell guns at wallmarkt to be bought without background checks? I have the feeling something is a little off here…

  • Iconoclast@feddit.ukEnglish
    81·
    14 days ago

    That’s one way do deal with the traffic: just make your state so shitty place to live that everyone moves elsewhere.