• DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9·
    2 days ago

    IT professional here.

    Yup.

    Everything is hardwired with multiple layers of security. Everything even remotely personal is on encrypted hard drives. No Alexa/Google. Made sure the smart TV and smartphones (no Apple, vanilla Android) have all data sharing disabled. And I drive a 1999 vehicle that doesn’t make me jump through any hoops.

    There’s a fine line between technology making things better and making things worse. We’re definitely starting to drift into the making things worse era.

  • BladeFederation@piefed.socialEnglish
    14·
    2 days ago

    I have a desktop PC with Linux on it, wired Ethernet only that I can unplug, and a gun in my night stand in case it makes a noise I don’t recognize.

  • Treczoks@lemmy.world
    3·
    2 days ago

    Me too, brother.

    And as someone who attended a lockpicking course back during university, the mechanical locks are not the DIY market crap.

  • irish_link@lemmy.world
    40·
    3 days ago

    HomeAssistant for the win! Not everything needs to be connected but for those things I would like to control I want CONTROL. So only my server (not even the nubucasa servers) control it!

    • NeilNuggetstrong@lemmy.world
      14·
      3 days ago

      Big difference between “smart home stuff” and stuff compatible with home assistant. You host home assistant yourself on your own hardware and everything is connected in one interface. You only need one app, or one webpage. No shady actors get access to your home, you control everything.

      • Holytimes@sh.itjust.works
        210·
        3 days ago

        Give it a few years and home assistant will have ai built in, mandatory telemetry, be coded with ai, and have a bunch of angry nerds arguing about every update and censoring everyone they disagree with.

  • Red0ctober@lemmy.world
    27·
    3 days ago

    The number of appliances that have an app is fucking insane. I’m sorry, but I don’t need my oven to have internet connectivity. We got by just fine before.

    • HidingUnderHats@lemmy.world
      41·
      3 days ago

      That is what I thought (and still do, for the most part), but being at the grocery store and starting the oven preheat is pretty nice.

        • spongebue@lemmy.world
          4·
          3 days ago

          Honest question though: what of real value can a company gain by knowing that I turned my oven to 350, or that I switched my air conditioning on? Assuming app permissions match what’s needed and I’m not giving up my contacts or whatever. Or is that a more common issue than I realize?

          • kboos1@lemmy.world
            5·
            2 days ago

            I could also get more info from your habits and you home type and quality from the thermostat. All at your convenience. I didn’t have to ask for permission to any private information. Just by the oven app alone I would have clues about your personal life-

            I would now know about how far you are from home

            That you are not home

            That there’s no one home or that you don’t trust the people you live with to start the oven

            How much you spend on utilities

            What’s the average temperature you cook food at

            How long you cook

            How often you cook

            Which part of the oven/stove you use most often

            Where your home is located

            How often you entertain

            Where’s your favorite grocery store

            When you start cooking

            The fact that you are at the grocery buying food to cook that night and how often you do that

            • zikzak025@lemmy.world
              3·
              2 days ago

              Not to mention the companion app itself is scraping telemetry data:

              • What phone you use

              • What network it’s connected to

              • What times you use your phone

              • Approximate location

              • A list of other apps you have installed

              And that’s all before we get into the nitty gritty of how the user actually engages with the app content, or other device permissions the app might request. Maybe “Location” for recommending preheat times based on distance, maybe “Camera” to check doneness, maybe “Nearby devices” to pair with first-party accessories, or maybe “Photos and video” for some shoehorned social media component.

              They can ask for any permission for ostensibly innocuous/justified reasons, but once those permissions are granted, they have full access to that data to do whatever else they want with it. They’ll know who you are, where you are, when you’re there, what you’re doing there, and who else you’re with.

          • tyler@programming.dev
            7·
            3 days ago

            What time you usually cook, so the best time to show you other advertisements, or if you’re in the store once super targeted customer by customer pricing gets implemented (it’s already in place in many locations) then the price raises just for you since you turned your oven on (or will turn your oven on in a few minutes).

            • spongebue@lemmy.world
              3·
              3 days ago

              What time you usually cook, so the best time to show you other advertisements

              I guess I can grant you that they would learn that I eat dinner around dinner time, maybe a little later than most but also not abnormally so.

              or if you’re in the store once super targeted customer by customer pricing gets implemented (it’s already in place in many locations)

              I’ve seen that stores want to be able to adjust prices based on time of day or whatever, and my store has mostly switched to eink price labels so it’s a matter of time… But per person? How are they supposed to offer one price to me and another to someone reaching for the gallon of milk at the same time?

              • tyler@programming.dev
                1·
                1 day ago

                Probably not at the same time, but stores are adding cameras everywhere. Target has tracked customers using phone signals for over a decade now. I can’t imagine the legal minefield this will be but I’m just saying those are possibilities.

          • musicjunkie@lemmy.world
            2·
            2 days ago

            Would you be comfortable if there were cameras set up in your house feeding to an unknown entity somewhere higher up the economic food chain whose mission is to find ways to extort you for money? Privacy used to be something many people wanted purely for the sake of privacy without any ulterior motive

            To me, it’s rather surprising that people don’t just have an instinctual desire to maintain a degree of privacy in their lives. I dont really want people watching and tracking how often I use my air fryer what times I go grocery shopping etc as it literally feels like I’m being spied on. It’s not about having something to hide it’s about protecting something that’s core to the American identity and has been for centuries. Plus these companies are notorious for data breaches and running psychological experiments on people based on personal data collected on them. I’d rather not be a lab rat for some reptilian tech billionaire and I’ll just preheat my oven manually

            You can’t think about what this information does right now to your eye. You have to remember that this data is someday going to be completely categorized via AI and same as we couldn’t predict life post-internet, there’s no telling how problematic it might be to your life to have a more robust profile of your personal information than a more private person once AI has fully taken over society. Your life patterns likely tell a lot more about you as a person than you realize which means they are getting way more from you than merely the temperature of your thermostat. Humans are way more patterned in their behavior than our grade school teachers telling us we are unique and special might lead us to believe

            • spongebue@lemmy.world
              1·
              2 days ago

              Well, I’m not talking about cameras. I’m asking about my oven not because I think I shouldn’t care about it, but because I genuinely want to know why I should. Like, I can’t imagine some algorithm is saying “guys, this guy set his oven to 350 an hour before dinner, we got him!”

              • musicjunkie@lemmy.world
                3·
                2 days ago

                Yeah like I explained, you can’t comprehend the degree of how much of your personal life is exposed by data points deemed trivial. The data collectors believe in the value of your privacy as a marketable commodity so to me that’s enough reason. If Palantir thinks harvesting data on how and when I cook can provide them with even more valuable private information then that’s probably the case

                For all you know, people who use lemmy and preheat their oven to 350 on tuesdays and listen to XYZ music fall into a category of humans that allows them to also know your romance life and how to best target you in vulnerable areas of your life in ways you don’t immediately identify

                The reason to value your privacy isn’t “what is the first order effect of giving this information”. Privacy should be valued because you can’t ever get it back and can’t know the future so why bother giving up something that tech companies spend billions gathering from you just to save a 10sec walk to the kitchen. It’s never been about having things to hide or the mundane of what time you turn on your lights

        • merc@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          2 days ago

          Especially if you forgot that “X” was still in the oven, for various values of “X”.

          Then again, a well designed smart oven might include a burn sensor that would shut the thing off if the smoke got too bad.

          • HidingUnderHats@lemmy.world
            2·
            2 days ago

            Easy rule, don’t put anything in the oven that doesn’t belong in the oven. Plus it is a double oven, so I know the lower is always empty while there might be a cast iron in the top oven.

            IDK about smoke detection, but it does shut itself off after a certain amount of time. Years ago I had an ancient GAS oven that I forgot on for THREE DAYS at like 150. I think that was much more dangerous, lol. Those were the best damn pumpkin seeds I ever made though.

            • merc@sh.itjust.works
              1·
              1 day ago

              Easy rule, don’t put anything in the oven that doesn’t belong in the oven

              Who’s to say what belongs in the oven?

              For example, bread recipes sometimes tell you to proof the bread by putting it in the oven with the heat off but the light on. There are similar recipes for making yogourt. Or it can be a good place to dry seeds.

              Those things “belong” in the oven. But if you turn on the oven without taking them out you might be very sad. That can happen if you’re turning on the oven in person, but it’s easier to verify the oven is empty when you’re doing that.

  • Exatron@lemmy.world
    10·
    3 days ago

    A couple months ago, my dishwasher stopped working. When the tech showed up to look at it, he said it may need a software update. He then unscrewed the toe plate, plugged a wifi hotspot into the newly revealed network jack, and let the update happen.

    I was shocked, and a little alarmed, that my dishwasher even had software to update. Its entire control panel is six buttons, some status LEDs and an LED timer.

    • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      2 days ago

      The main benefit of sailing the high seas when I was younger was simply having access to things I couldn’t afford that helped make me more cultured. Now the main benefit is so I don’t financially contribute to shitstain corporations.

    • musicjunkie@lemmy.world
      41·
      2 days ago

      Building a cheap NAS with shucked drives running Plex on unraid was the best decision ever. I won’t lie it’s not cheaper than just paying for 1-2 subscriptions and I have spent time managing it but having agency over the content available is so nice and if I don’t have disposable income for a time I can just not add new drives

      Better quality, don’t need 7 subscriptions to access all content, and don’t have to worry about things getting shelved. It’s funny because Netflix in like 2014 is why I stopped pirating but it was Netflix in 2019 that made me start pirating again. Spotify is getting real close to making me pirate music again too

  • bus_factor@lemmy.world
    13·
    3 days ago

    I have some smart home stuff, but if it needs the Internet to function, it’s not going into my house. And if any of it fails, the house reverts to its old, dumb self.

    • realitaetsverlust@piefed.zipEnglish
      142·
      3 days ago

      This here. Home automation is cool, but only as long as it works locally with something like home assistant.

  • Rhaedas@fedia.io
    10·
    3 days ago

    I read the last line that wrapped as “no internet connected” and thought, that’s hard core, man.