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“Cannot” or will not? 😡
That hasn’t stopped the united States for some time now
we see all your tags and we get it
Ooooh this is how you die from robot bees
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Being a child trafficker should be punishable by death
America would lose half the presidential administration.
Which is fine by me, BTW.
I was gonna say, you make it sound like a bad thing.
Unfortunately, he hasn’t been convicted yet
We live in a failed state. If we want justice we’re going to have to make it at this point
Mere technicality.
Convictions are required for legal punishments
Strongly worded UN reaction incoming
What if he was just standing near someone who was a legitimate target. You know like the training officer. Or a particularly offensive piece of foliage. Something like that.
That definitely looks like an invasive species of flora he’s standing near…
Would be doing them a favor, really.
My classmate got killed by Ukraine like this. My colleague was killed by a Russian drone. I know that people like to laugh and this is a soulless trashcan of the internet but you should know that you’ve touched something in me and I hate you.
I don’t see how it’s supposed to be my fault that Russia started a war.
It’s not your fault. Your fault is ignorance that is cured with experiencing a war at close.
“People I know were involved in an illegal war, supported by no one, and chose to engage in it and I’m upset they were killed as a result of participation in a illegal war”
I’m sure the innocent people in Ukraine murdered by your country are just as upset. Except they didn’t do anything but get bombed by you.
I’m sure the innocent people in Ukraine
TBH I get along with Ukrainians much better than with so called “Ukraine supporters”.
Like really, I remember having a job interview with a person in Kiev and him joking about “mopeds” (drones in 2023) have been interrupting the whole interview process.
Almost like life in war becomes accustomed. I believe no one should have to get used to war.
Maybe that’s the difference between us. You’re fine with innocent people getting killed in illegal wars. I’m not. Innocent people shouldn’t be killed in ANY war. According to you innocent people dying is A-Okay.
That’s probably why you don’t get along with Anti-War activists… They don’t agree with you that innocent people dying in war is okay.
People I know were involved in an illegal war, supported by no one, and chose to engage in it and I’m upset they were killed as a result of participation in a illegal war
That’s a strange way to put it. The person I was talking about was a civilian and you’re turning it as if he was a soldier.
No, he tried to profit from the war, like everyone else. Does it make him a bad person? Probably. Does it make his murder justified? Barely
What a shitty fucking anti-human stance you believe in. In the USA (Where I am not from) they don’t have healthcare. So when an 8 year old boy is diagnosed with cancer people make Go Fund Me accounts, sell their belonings, and try and go into massive debt to fund the cancer treatment. And this is heavily leaned into a “Feel good story”. “Neighbours come together to raise $30,000 for 8 year old with cancer” is such a dystopian headline when that cancer coverage should be fucking free.
But you show up here, on Lemmy of all places, and think civilians trying to not get killed my unmanned drones are a feel good story because they’re making the best of a bad situation, when they shouldn’t be in that bad situation in the first place if you and people like you weren’t stoking off Russia and being okay with civilians being killed.
I’m gonna just straight up say it.
You’re a piece of shit human being.
I have no idea what your problem is. I didn’t start the war (obviously), I don’t think it should be continuing, I don’t revel in anyone’s death on either side, and I have nothing to do with your friends death.
What exactly is it that you’re upset with me about?
My classmate got killed by Ukraine like this. My colleague was killed by a Russian drone. I know that people like to laugh and this is a soulless trashcan of the internet but you should know that you’ve touched something in me and I hate you.
Wait, you have a classmate that was in the russian invasion and killed by Ukraine? And then another colleague killed by russia? Assuming that they where fighting russia at the time, or where they just collateral?
No one here (that I know of) is belittling the loss of life this stupid conflict has caused, but other then be angry at russia for invading another nation what are you expecting? Silence over the deaths?
you have a classmate that was in the russian invasion and killed by Ukraine?
He’s a civilian doctor who went to work in the “new territories” (occupied ones) . Not the best decisions of his, but still he wasn’t a combatant. Propaganda loves to paint people in colors, I don’t expect you to understand.
Assuming that they where fighting russia at the time, or where they just collateral?
The colleague was a girl I started to work with just after I left Russia. She went to Lvov (Lviv) to visit parents but then decided to Kiev. Again, not the best decision of her, but this one I expect you to understand.
I’m not trying to change things here. I know this is a shithole, but then I just have an urge to show that this kind of jokes (haha collateral damage) feel different when you are Russian even 4 years into the conflict, worse with Ukrainians.
Sorry for loss. War is really worse then hell because it takes the innocent as well. Putin and war mongers like him that caused her undeserved death deserve a more of punishment then this earthly world can give him imho
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War sucks, and I don’t know where you’re from, but ideally it should stop so fewer people have to die like this. However, if your classmate was that close to a legitimate target, I’m assuming they’re aiding Russia too, even if that’s just working at an oil port or something.
They didn’t need to die, but everyone in Russia who’s not pushing back against this invasion is culpable in the death. If this is you, I hope you’re making noise at least to make them stop invading another country.
At this point, I just want to say two things
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“legitimate target” is a dog whistle for commiting a war crime. You are describing one.
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Please wake up. You’re filled with propaganda just as my folks who initially supported the war. Assuming you are not from Ukraine, I want to just recommend you stop watching war related content in social media. This thing poisons how you think and feel the world.
“legitimate target” is a dog whistle for commiting a war crime. You are describing one.
What? Do you live in a world where there aren’t legitimate targets? A legitimate target is, for example, and piece of military hardware. Something that isn’t is, for example, a water treatment facility.
Please wake up. You’re filled with propaganda just as my folks who initially supported the war. Assuming you are not from Ukraine, I want to just recommend you stop watching war related content in social media. This thing poisons how you think and feel the world.
So should Russia just be allowed to have it? No. Fuck off. I don’t vibe with appeasement. It didn’t work with Nazi Germany before WWII and it won’t work for Russia. If they get Ukraine then they’ll keep going. They’ve already threatened other nearby countries.
If you don’t like the war, tell the invader to stop fucking invading. Don’t tell the defender to stop defending their home. Your friend died because people like you exist. It’s your fault and their blood is on your hands, as is every other Russian who has died just to sate Putin’s appitate for building a legacy. He doesn’t give a shit about you, and this invasion only hurts you. Grow up.
Hey bud,
I only hope that one day you’ll stop justifying war crimes. I understand that it is easy for you to say, sitting somewhere in the US and chanting things like that, but man it is sick. You act like a football fan.
Again, what do you want them to do? Should Russia be allowed to just have it? Russia is literally bombing civilian housing, which Ukraine isn’t doing. They’re the invader. Letting them have their way supports war crimes because it shows they are beneficial.
If Nazi Germany was stopped when they first started invading other nations, we probably wouldn’t have had WWII. The same can be said here. Hell, they should have been stopped after the first invasion of Crimea, or even Chechnya, or maybe Georgia, especially after the genocide.
I’m against war crimes. That’s why I’m against nations invading other sovereign states. I hope one day you’ll stop justyfing them by siding with invaders while your countrymen are slaughtered. Ukraine stopping fighting back doesn’t stop war crimes. It only gives Russia what they want and then they’ll continue to commit war crimes somewhere else (assuming they don’t commit another genocide right there too). If you’re against war crimes, you stand against invaders.
Again, what do you want them to do? Should Russia be allowed to just have it?
That’s absolutely his stance. He feels like Russia should own and occupy Ukraine.
And he says we’re filled with propaganda.
Should Russia be allowed to just have it?
You are not in the position of deciding it. You’re just arguing on the internet.
If you’re against war crimes, you stand against invaders.
If you are against war crimes, you don’t argue about when they are justified, but most importantly you do not commit them. Simple as that.
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I’m sorry on their behalf. Thank you for providing a viewpoint of someone who’s affected by this; we all need to keep in mind that war is not a good thing.
Not that anyone was actually cleaning otherwise of course.
Uhhhh there is nothing worse in defensive foliage!
I’ll allow it. Carry on.
No no. If you read between the lines, they didn’t explicitly say no. They only insinuated he hasn’t met the criteria under international law yet… But they do acknowledge the assholery.
They’re basically saying we just need to find a better reason and they’ll do it
Wouldn’t the clear line be actually taking up arms against Ukraine? If he does a publicity stunt at a Russian army training base, that’s an evil and stupid thing to do, but it’s not actually helping the military effort against Ukraine. Now, if they trained him as a FPV attack drone pilot, and then showed on camera him piloting drones targeting Ukrainian troops? That would probably make him a legitimate target. At least that’s what I would think. But my thought would be that the line would be actually taking up arms in some form against Ukrainian troops or civilians.
I’ve heard from very credible sources they did in fact do this. They can’t show it on camera, for obvious security reasons, but he has recently secretly been flying drones to strike targets for Russia.
Sure you did.
Source: I was that drone :3
Ukraine displaying the moral high ground.
“I’m condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them. I burn my decency for someone else’s future. I burn my life to make a sunrise that I know I’ll never see.”
“I’m not going to live there. There’s no place for me there, any more than there is for you. Malcolm, I’m a monster. What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it, but it must be done.”
My anger, my ego, my unwillingness to yield, my eagerness to fight, they’ve set me on a path from which there is no escape. I yearned to be a savior against injustice without contemplating the cost and by the time I looked down there was no longer any ground beneath my feet. What is my sacrifice?
I’m a a terrible example of what humanity could be. I live what I have to in the reality of what “humanity” is right now while recognizing what we could be. We’re an exceptional byproduct of the pressure our environment pushed us to.
In this case there’s a lot more on the table though. If they’d start openly going after random civilians, that’s throwing the international laws, deals whatever, in the trash and that doesn’t lead to anything good. Ukraine’s support depends a lot on rest of the Europe too, and most of those countries aren’t willing to openly aid doing stuff like that, which could seriously hurt what Ukraine gets. Russia is already doing shitton of manipulation to get us europeans be against supporting Ukraine, so giving them more, easy ammo for that is idiotic
Remind me again how many random civilians have been killed in Ukraine by Russian missiles? How many Palestinian children have been shot in the face by the IDF? How many people in the US are either rounded up and disappeared or just gunned down by the cops daily? Your moral high ground and promises to “hold those responsible accountable” in some future trial that will lead to a sense of “justice” doesn’t mean shit to the people who are dead at the hands of aggressors who give no fucks about morality in the here and now. Every one of us that lets this go on daily because we follow the “rules” our enemy disregards is as steeped in the blood of their victims as they are. They don’t require justification for their actions, they just take advantage of our hesitation and debates over whether we should meet them with equal force.
I’m being realist here, I’m finnish and I know fully well it’s genocide every time Russia attacks somewhere, they’ve done that many times in history here as well. Do you think Ukraine can hold on without the support of European countries? France or Germany or any other western European countries don’t have Russia breathing on their neck, and support for war that’s “not theirs” is easily manipulated by all the shills and bot factories Russia has to spout it’s propaganda.
There is no justice coming, the “evil” will not be held accountable, or if they are, only barely. But making your own odds worse is not going to help, it’s not gonna stop Russia from genociding or stop the palestinian children being brutally murdered. It’s not really about moral high ground in this case - the ones holding it are the ones that don’t understand the war nor care enough. But every bullet and drone strike Ukraine does is one we don’t have to do on our border, ask finnish, polish or someone from the Baltics and you get a whole different view on Russia than you’d get from countries not neighboring itAs an American, I know that every day someone around me is having their life ruined or ended by people I could have stopped. Not broadly, but one on one I have the capacity to end their intent to harm before they harm someone else. Big picture that’s not going to change much, I’d likely be ended or removed from society for my efforts and there’s no guarantee the harm to the person I tried to protect keeps them from harm by those same forces indefinitely. Ending state sanctioned brutality requires state level mobilization of forces willing to oppose that. And then, yeah, it’s a meat grinder of attrition, destruction, and innocent lives in the crossfire until, hopefully, the aggressor capitulates. Then whoever is left does their best to rebuild and learn from the lesson.
You live in a country that has long lived on the border of a ferociously aggressive neighbor and bled to maintain its independence. I live in one that was once the underdog, tore itself apart over the debate about human rights, and has gone on to be both anti-fascist and fascist af. Diplomacy and trying to limit the fallout of full scale war is great, but eventually there’s opponents who have the power, have the resources, and have the support that will only be stopped when enough people lace up their boots, accept their terms, and say “no”.
Oh we agree on that, but sacrificing Ukraine or some other country to get the rest of Europe to wake up is a terrible plan that’d just make things easier for Russia. I’d be great if the ones holding the decisive powers in Europe cared and understood, but as long as they don’t, you have to play by their rules or you’re kinda toast. The process for things to happen is far from simple when it’s Europe in question, and I don’t know are we getting there or not
I read what I thought was a pretty solid review on the current situation. European leaders seem to be holding off on hard lines because, like many Americans, they keep hoping the next election cycle will put a comfortable, familiar ally back in command of the US’ resources. Nobody wants to fight Russia in a full out war, their oligarchs are willing to bleed their nation dry through attrition and worst case they go scorched earth.
But I’m telling you as an American, whatever we were to Europe in the 20th century, whatever right side of history we were on, whatever armies we could muster or nuclear holocaust we could stave off because of mutually assured destruction; we are not that nation anymore and we are not an ally that any European should think will be anytime soon. We are either going to continue to collapse until we’re our own version of Russia, a cabal of oligarchs propping up a strongman and sowing misery internally and abroad that no one stands up to, or we’re going to rip ourselves apart again in a bloody spectacle that the rest of the world sits back and watches in horror. We ain’t voting our way out of this, no outside force is going to aid us, and we’re either going to abide our decline or die trying to stop it.
Ukraine is getting pummeled regardless, and it’s not going to stop until Russia either gets checked or turns on itself, and I don’t think the latter is going to happen. You guys need to be planning for what to do when Trumpism drops cosplay fascism and the US openly embraces what we all know it already is. China knows, why do you think they’re so quiet and patient while the western powers flex where they can and dilly-dallies on how they respond to each others disregard for established etiquette?
Neo-Nazis and Confederate “Lost Cause” advocates nowadays.
Bruh, the high ground isn’t enough
Just this time tho bro!
Wait, since when does international law matter with regard to drone strikes? I could cite dozens of drone strikes by the Trump administration that clearly violated international law and they didn’t even make a ripple in any court system anywhere?
Ukraine’s support from other countries relies heavily on them having and maintaining the moral high ground.
Which makes them winning (sadly slowly, but still doing it) so much more impressive. They’re fighting an invasion of their country where the enemy has no moral obligations but they themselves need to be real fucking careful about what they do, even for stuff within their country. As far as I know they have only attacked Russian infrastructure and military sites with reason within Russian borders. Meanwhile Russia have bombed and shot at hospitals, apartment buildings, kindergartens, shopping malls with people standing in line to get the little produce available etc. But they’re still beating them. It’s slow and it fucking sucks so much how much they have lost, but they’re still doing it.
Well Ukraine ain’t the US
You know you fucked up as a country when even 2026 war-thorn Ukraine looks at you and goes “ugh no thanks…”
“Less blatantly unethical than the US” is not that high a bar, to be fair.
The Trump administration, the Biden administration, the Obama administration, the Bush administration… You get the picture.
It’s more like guidelines than laws. Ukraine breaks them at times when they double tap soldiers for example, but drone warfare makes it difficult to take pows. I’m on team Ukraine and it’s not the Tate brothers that would get an outcry from me in any case.
First Geneva Convention says you can’t kill soldiers who are out of battle due to injuries or sickness, that much is true. I haven’t heard of these “double taps” before so I don’t know the circumstances but I wanted to point out that killing an injured soldier who have not yet decided to stop fighting is seemingly allowed.
I’ve seen a few video where they drop a grenade on someone that’s clearly been knocked unconscious, as well as some where the person has given up. I’ve seen one where they let the person walk to the front line and give himself up as well.
I think most drone squads operate close or behind enemy lines and from a fair distance from the actual drone. You can’t really take prisoners in those kinds of situation in most cases.
Can’t we make just this one exception? It would be a net good for humanity!
We shouldn’t post anything from this neonazi social network.
Yes we should. And by you saying otherwise makes no better than neonazis.
Book burning is book burning.
Fun fact, whenever filmmakers finish a project involving Nazi iconography like swastikas etc. they destroy it all after they wrap.
This is more like burning of racist chick tracts, neonazi propaganda leaflets and notes passed between immature teenagers.
Yeah, I’m equivalent to a neonazi because I say we shouldn’t promote a neonazi website, that’s a really smart comment. Just like we should all use tiktok or instagram because if we don’t, we’re no better than the book burner nazis, this is obvious. Thanks for enlightening me with you wisdom.
I am against virtually everything Hitler stood for. There is almost nothing that I and that terrible person would agree on. Yet I have read Mein Kampf.
Likewise, I agree with very little in The Communist Manifesto, but I have read that as well.
I encourage people to read these works, not because they are good, but because understanding bad ideas is one of the best ways to recognize and oppose them.
You think Twitter is a neo-Nazi website because the billionaire who bought it performed a gesture that many people, myself included, interpreted as a Nazi salute two years ago.
Based on what I know about the man, he may be racist. He may even be a closeted Nazi. I do not know. It certainly would not surprise me.
What I do not do is tell people what books they should not read, what websites they should not visit, or what ideas they should not be exposed to simply because I dislike the politics involved.
You are not demonstrating moral virtue by expressing your dislike of Twitter or its owner. You are demonstrating intellectual narrow-mindedness. If your beliefs are sound, they should be able to withstand exposure to opposing viewpoints.
Just in case, I am talking about Elon Musk.
Moreover, by condemning the posting of Twitter, you are essentially enforcing the same kind of rhetoric that pushes people into book burnings.
Twitter should not be ignored. It should be embraced and then attacked for exactly the reasons why it isn’t good to start with.
You think Twitter is a neo-Nazi website because the billionaire who bought it performed a gesture that many people, myself included, interpreted as a Nazi salute two years ago.
Twitter is a neonazi shithole because it literally finances neonazi and far-right groups. And it’s own by a neonazi.
“You are not demonstrating moral virtue by expressing your dislike of Twitter or its owner. You are demonstrating intellectual narrow-mindedness. If your beliefs are sound, they should be able to withstand exposure to opposing viewpoints.”
LMAO, “I’m 14 and I"m an intellectual” type of stuff.
Just say you don’t want to leave twitter, you might be overestimating the interest people have in your opinions,
Notice that you did not rebut a single point I made.
You responded with two assertions and one insult.
If your objection is that Twitter finances extremist groups, make that argument and support it. If your objection is that its owner is a neo-Nazi, make that argument and support it.
Mocking me for sounding “intellectual” is not a rebuttal. It is an admission that you would rather attack the speaker than engage with the substance of what was said.
Which brings us back around to my original point, that you are no better than the people you supposedly dislike. You currently sound like some maga fundie talking about how pronouns are woke just on the opposite side of the spectrum.
You probably never heard that Mark Twain quote cause you wouldn’t know who he is but here: “Never Argue With Stupid People. They Will Drag You Down To Their Level and Then Beat You With Experience.”
BUT, you’re in luck! I haven’t fill my monthly quota on wasting my time on people like you so I’ll bite.
The fact Musk did a nazi salute was just him sending is heart to people. The fact that 48 hours after that, he was a guest speaker for the AfD (neo-nazi german party, here’s one of their ads where parents makes a roof for the childrens. Was obviously just him engaging in friendly politics. The fact that is own stupid AI referred to itself as meka-Hitler and kept mentioning white genocide in South Afrika was just playful thing.
The fact that the Creator Ads Revenu on twitter that musk created is just him advocating from freedom of speech. No need to do research by yourself, these are just fake news from antifa.
Finally, I didn’t said you sound like intellectual LMAO, I said you sound like a 14 years old WANNABE-intellectual. You’re as much of intellectual as trump is a good negociator, peace-keeper and child protector, maybe this is compliment IDK. But I don’t blame you. you’re so full on yourself (who knows what’s in there?) there might not be room an once of critical thinking.
So in the end I think you’re too smart to be here (so many books burner on Lemmy), you should go hang out with the plurality of totally-not-neonazi “content creator” on twitter.
The Mark Twain quote does not even apply here.
The point of that quote is that some people drag a discussion down to insults and personal attacks instead of engaging with arguments. Ironically, that is exactly what you have been doing throughout this conversation.
I made an argument. You responded by calling me a 14-year-old wannabe intellectual. I made another argument. You responded with more insults about how full of myself I am.
That is not “beating me with experience.” It is avoiding the substance of the discussion.
You are free to argue that Musk is a neo-Nazi. You are free to argue that Twitter financially benefits extremists. Those are actual arguments that can be discussed.
What you have not done is explain why reading objectionable material is wrong, why exposure to opposing viewpoints is harmful, or why people should avoid ideas simply because they dislike them.
Instead, you keep reaching for personal attacks while lecturing others about critical thinking.
The most amusing part is the level of condescension. You quote Mark Twain, tell me I probably have never heard of him, announce that you are graciously willing to waste some of your monthly quota of time on me, and then spend several paragraphs explaining how intellectually superior you think you are.
At some point you should ask yourself whether you are actually arguing against my position or just performing for an audience.
For someone so concerned about arrogance, you seem remarkably confident that disagreement with you can only be explained by stupidity.
Ahh come on guys. Cant we just drone strike them a little bit.
Just one time, as a lil treat…
For ⋆˙⟡ 𝕗𝕦𝕟𝕤𝕚𝕖𝕤 ✧˖°.
I don’t know anything about the account but linking the original post https://x.com/usf_army/status/2064682581057011886
Learn something from your precious Netanyahu or Donald. Yes you can.
