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Everyone who is censored, everyone who abuses their mod powers; it just creates an opportunity for people to pick up the slack and create better communities.
You only have yourselves to blame, dickhead mods.
Boycott all US based services.
American here, please do this.
All of our companies are run by scumbags taking advantage of useful idiots. We need more options and legitimate competition.
Especially github. I thought all of you were supposed to leave that when microsoft bought it. I never used it but I definitely wouldn’t these days…
This is the way.
There is some serious crapitalist hate for organic maps. I never heard of it util is was taken off the play store for a bit. I side loaded it that day.
Organic Maps is not at feature parity with paid options but it is pretty damn good for FOSS. I use it almost daily for driving around city/suburban Australia and it very rarely gives me bad directions - certainly no more than the paid option i previously used (Sygic).
Its also a really great base project to build on top of. The routing system is a plug in library which can be easily replaced. That means if someone wants to build something that collects and utilizes live data for traffic/construction avoidance they can totally do that. Adding new map layers is also a big one that they made sure is going to be easy to do.
Has anyone actually created a traffic plugin yet? This is one of the main reasons I use Magic Earth still. I regularly bounce between that, Organic, and OsmAnd. They all have slightly different features.
Has anyone actually created a traffic plugin yet?
The organic team doesnt wanna deal with collecting user data so they wont do it. Getting live location data from millions of people basically requires using and feeding into google services and thats a no go.
Ofcourse someone else could do it, but thats just a waste of time, if google can cut you off from their API at any point.
Even if you start your own project, no matter what you do, there will always have to be some company that collects all the data. That company no matter how cool and FOSS will eventually be forced to cooperate with law enforcement and then you are back to what we have now with google.
Location data is just too sensitive and impossible to anonymize properly.
But isn’t there a possibility to fetch data from official websites (like https://stau.info/ in Germany) around your place? It won’t be as good as google, but better than nothing.
As long as it only pulls data and doesnt share any its not as bad. But each of these local services most likely use different APIs and formats, so implementing it wont be so easy. For just large highways its realistic imo, but if you want data for inside cities it becomes impossible.
If the database of traffic info become so large that it’s impossible to download it all at once it means you have to selectively download data for your location/route which makes it possible to infer user location again.
Well, now I know what will be my daily driver. Thanks!
Anything to reduce the advertising revenue of these jackasses
It works well, and I’m a huge fan and contributor to Open Street Maps (which it’s bassed on). But it doesn’t do traffic, which is unfortunately wha I need from my navigation apps 99% of the time.
If they had a paid option to cover the costs of using TomTom’s traffic API, I’d make the switch.
But it is one of the best when it comes to cycling or walking. I’ve been using it for years now.
So why were they blocked?
One of their main contributors are in US sanctioned regions (Russia) so they can’t access it.
Really! Can’t believe them. Yeah fk microsoft.
Russia is being sanctioned because of its aggressive war against Ukraine.
Microsoft aren’t the bad guys for enforcing international sanctions.
So what about the organic map users. They should ban the contributor if they need to ban it soo bad.
that’s practically impossible. TOR is alive and well, as if any rando in any country sanctioned by the u.s. cares.
of course they could Great China Firewall the shit out of everything and still fail.
but we’re on the downward spiral, so be gleeful!
Microsoft literally had no choice.
when you’re a corporation with billions of dollars and US politicians cost millions on the high end, you can choose to do whatever you want.
“Microsoft continues to work with Russians despite sanctions due to ongoing war in Ukraine” is probably not a headline they want to see.
Of course not, but can you say that it’s not convenient for them to stiffle foss alternatives to microsoft/apple/google software? many open source projects are at least partially made by russian developers.
It is still an unnecessary risk for them.
true, but let’s not pretend that they were without agency in this decision and in decisions leading up to the current context.
When the big tech guys showed up to the inauguration and sat in the front row to pay tribute it was such a clear example of how capital always yields to authoritarians.
Government and major corporations are the exact same entity in the US.
Exactly. The real issue is the sanctions against Russia. Why those sanctions involve FOSS projects, I’ll never understand.
they were blocked for supporting russia invasion of Ukraine.
Source?
I mean the owners of this “Estonian” company are Russian and Belarussian (company ownership is public record here in Estonia and foreigners can easily start companies), so I wouldn’t be surprised, but I also hate how easily unsubstantiated claims spread on the Internet.
https://mastodon.social/@organicmaps/114155428924741370
Looks like a contributor was in a sanctioned region?
Insane that Github blocked their entire development without discussing it with them though. Ban the contributor, not the entire open source project.
Sounds like an easy way to do unproportional damage to projects with a bit of location spoofing.
I was very surprised to learn that .NET has an entire team in North Korea
And all of them sharing a single 26k connection, too
I heard they got upgraded to DSL
Looks like a contributor was in a sanctioned region?
Not according to that thread - it looks like they don’t yet know what caused it:
https://mastodon.social/@organicmaps/114178916120483761
No any details from GitHub yet. One contributor mentioned a temporary visit to disputed areas a long time ago — GitHub probably just flagged the account, and their bots messed up after that.
GAFAM is all one hydra.
sanctioned region
What’s that?
A country the USA doesn’t like
Seems so arbitrary that they just block the entire project instead of the user in the sanctioned region.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Probably for the best, GitHub seems like a liability (to a lamen like me, anyway)
why is Organic Street Maps better than the other ones, that claim to be Open Street Maps derived?
bandwidth is not disposable ya’ll.
Two reasons:
- interface rocks
- maps are downloaded for offline use
I’ve been using OsmAnd for years, and offline maps has always been one of their main things.
OsmAnd is okay, but I really like the interface of Organic Maps better.
Organic Maps is definitely easier to use, especially for new users but OsmAnd is more powerful. I have both and they’re awesome.
I wish there was some way to share the assets since they use the same base data. I use osmand because I find it better for hiking and route planning to send to my watch, but would use organic as well if I I didn’t need to keep two copies of the maps.
Yeah I know what you mean. Map downloads especially can take up a lot of space/take a lot of mobile data to download. I tried to copy them across manually once but it didn’t work.
Yeah it seems like they use different “chunks” so I don’t think it would be cross compatible.
that’s enough for me, except are the other ones not good?
downloading maps for offline – you nuts? how does anyone profit from the clicks?
They don’t - but at the same time it saves a ton of money on bandwidth
that is an extra plus feature i always wanted from a “smart” phone - offline maps. i spent money on some of those apps back when it was kicking off and a very few of them were actually helpful, like showing me actual USGS topo maps.
would not have helped me that much for survival on my Hawaiian big island fuckabout, because even the big island is not big enough to get truly lost. i tried!
eventually I went downhill on the volcano towards the ocean for a day or two until cell reception and called my girlfriend and told her I hit my head pretty hard and she should come get me.
still the maps would have been super interesting. also, Red River Gorge, and all the southwestern N. America desert.
I tried a lot of them and i like the interface of Organic the best.
Nice!
I actually recently set up my own Forgejo instance, and it’s remarkably similar to GitHub, to the point where they share Github’s “actions” code.
Congrats! More hosting diversity is a good thing.
Yep I got one too. Works great and self hosted. I swear its actually faster than GH is nowadays.
And I like that it doesn’t try to advertise and recommend a ton of repos to do you like GH does now.
GitHub has slowly become an advertising platform for repos more than anything. I miss what it was just a couple of years ago. It did exactly what you needed when you needed it. Now it’s just so bloated
Forgejo Actions is definitely not a turnkey idential-to-GitHub solution, but it’s quite similar and for most not-super-complicated setups it’s basically the same (for better or worse, depending on if you like GH’s Actions).
As far as I remember, everything that I need works out of the box, except for Docker. In fact, just about everything Docker is somewhat quirky in Forgejo Actions.
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One mildly annoying quirk of Forgejo is that as of current, the token generated for each Actions run is not quite the same as GitHub’s token. For my specific use case, if you want to upload a Docker Image to the package repository, you can not use the standard auto-generated token, which GitHub does allow you to use. Forgejo instead currently requires you generate your own app token and use that instead, as the auto-generated one lacks permissions over packages. (https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/issues/3571)
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Depending on your infrastructure, it might just be impossible to make the various Docker-related actions (such as https://code.forgejo.org/docker/build-push-action) work. As an example, my infrastructure outlined below is one such case where those actions simply do not work.
Bare Metal (Debian 12) / ├─ Rootless Podman/ ├─ Forgejo ├─ Forgejo Runner ├─ Podman-in-Podman (Inner Podman also Rootless)/ ├─ <Actions Containers Run Here> * If you use rootful Docker with Docker-in-Docker, those actions will then work as expected. It is just that attempting to make them work with Rootless Podman (at least the version that ships with Debain 12) currently seems to be impossible.- that’s really too bad, I hope that gets resolved soon
- that’s a pretty old version of podman (4.3 looks like?); also, why have nested podman? My infra is something like this:
Bare Metal ├─ Rootless Podman ├─ Forgejo ├─ Rootless Forgejo Runner (planning to run on another machine entirely) ├─ <Actions Containers Run Here>I doubt the extra level of nesting is the issue though. If your issue is networking, then maybe the version of podman is the issue, since they switched out the networking layer in 5.0. I upgraded for a related reason, though I’m still getting some odd issues (mostly w/ the DNS resolver).
I haven’t gotten to cross-compiling just yet, nor have I needed to build a docker image since my projects are very much in the testing phase. But maybe I’ll give it a shot soon, since it’s better to catch these types of issues before it becomes a bigger problem.
I agree that it is quite possibly related to the version of Podman moreso than an inherent issue. I am currently satisfied, however, and have no desire to fiddle with it any more… Or at least until Debian 13 gets released.
My use of PinP is almost entirely for cleanliness. It allows me to more easily wipe the build environment (clear out space, troubleshooting). It also mildly improves security as the ‘untrusted’ actions containers run on a separate environment from the important Forgejo container.
The workaround I use for the premade Docker actions not functioning is to simply install Podman as one of the build steps and use that instead, lol. (Some configuration required, but that’s the gist.)
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I love that they have scoped labels while GitHub still doesn’t
Oh…I was interested until you said actions. What a terrible system for ci.
What’s wrong w/ actions? Is there something else you prefer?
I think they’re quite powerful. There are a variety of triggers, runners are fairly easy to configure (easy to scale up), and the syntax is pretty straightforward. It seems to work pretty well.
Every other ci in existence you just write a command. Then if it doesn’t work you run the command on your machine and fix it.
Actions are “magic” which means you have to fake the ci runner with tools and reverse engineer the action to run local debugging and if it failed you might not even fully know what was running with digging into the actions source.
GitHub provides you the tools and their “easy” until they aren’t.
It’s very Microsoft though. It feels like trying to write a Windows app and trying to get your random Net environment definition to line everything up and compile in VS then hoping the same thing happens when you deploy.
You can just write bash scripts in your actions if you want them to be easily replicatable on your local machine, so you don’t really lose anything with that system.
I prefer Gitlab CICD but there are many. Actions had a lot of potential. Then Microsoft bought GitHub and just slapped the Actions label on their CI. If you pull off the mask, it is just Azure devops.
I do too. I kinda miss Jenkins but a lot of the conveniences in GitLab’s CI are really nice and it’s better for 99% of use cases.
can someone make a quick intro to what happends for microsoft to block organicmaps account ?
Anyone have the story behind this? Fuck Microsoft and all that, but Github has historically been pretty good when it comes to not banning people for stupid reasons. Usually, it’s a DMCA thing or a valid security threat.
Recently, there was some controversy about closed source code powering a component of the project (https://github.com/orgs/organicmaps/discussions/9837) but I didn’t keep up with that. Could this ban be related to that?
Some contributer got flagged by US sanctions based on their IP, I think
That’s weird. Russians and Americans aren’t sanctioned from working on projects together. The sanctions are mostly targeted towards industry and defense. Tucker Carlson works for Russian media and freely travels between the two countries. There has to be something more to this, like the IP came from a known state actor.
They got unbanned, but it eroded trust that it won’t happen again
Ironically the US is more likely to drop the sanctions before Germany, where Codeberg is based.
Edit: They’ve gone self hosted. That makes more sense.
Viva la self-hosting!
Power to the people!
Codeberg is a non-profit that has no fees, but accepts donations. They only allow FOSS projects.
Why would I move away from git if I could just move away from github/lab and keep git?
Are you talking about Fossil ? Fossil’s commands are just like git’s & with the added benefit of having Github’s stuff like wiki & even a forum built into it
That’s a gimmick that doesn’t justify the costs of switching from Git (IMO)
If you want decentralized collaboration features in git without using forge software, you can use mailing lists like the Linux kernel does.
By what standard is GitLab not a “capitalist platform”? It feels even more corporatey than GitHub. From their homepage:
GitLab is the most comprehensive AI-powered DevSecOps Platform.
Yeah but it’s not Microsoft-controlled
Gitlab was created by a Ukrainian, and Microsoft is blocking Organic maps Russian developer due to sanctions due to war on ukraine, which is why what you’re suggesting is pretty cursed
Ok then use CodeBerg or SourceHut. Just anything that’s not GitHub
Who could have ever anticipated Git hub going to shoot after Microsoft bought it
don’t worry more ai slop in github will fix it
Microsoft products definitely gets worse over time lol
This was always going to jappen datahoarders we have to mirror all of github!
You don’t even have to be a datahoarder to help. Run ArchiveTeam warrior on a computer
Easiest way if you’re already someone who needs to use Docker, is to throw this compose file somewhere and run it: Docker Compose file for Warrior
Why did they get removed? I feel like I’m missing a whole backstory here.
Seemingly one of the contributors has visited a disputed region and logged into GitHub from there. By law (export controls) Microsoft must not provide service to that place. So some automatism flagged the account and also the organic maps repo. So far so normal. But either Microsoft dragged it’s feet in communicating and resolving the issue or the organic maps team was not doing their part in the process. Doesn’t matter, the outcome is still worth it.
By law (export controls) Microsoft must not provide service to that place. So some automatism flagged the account and also the organic maps repo. So far so normal.
not normal at all! don’t serve the website. that is normal. but ban anyone logging in seemingly from there, on sight? that’s literally “shoot first, ask later” in tech! totally abnormal, if this is the reason
Don’t shoot the messenger. The regulations are pretty draconic. I have to ensure the training for that every year.
Apparently, one of the contributors did a push while visiting Cuba and since Cuba in sanctioned by US they just blocked the entire repo. Insane.
Source?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43492578
Other places mentioned ‘U.S. sanctioned region’.
Probably.
No self-respecting DEV would update README.md…
They’re a direct competitor to one of microsoft’s products, and a better one at that.
Nice! It even supports the same RSS feed format. For anyone who also wants FOSS releases injected straight into their veins https://git.omaps.dev/organicmaps/organicmaps/releases.atom
Sucks for Organic Maps but that’s the FAANG.
