• kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    4 days ago

    Its more like arguing a soulless robot should make your food built upon stolen recipes, not only are the recipes stolen but that robot cannot taste nor understand flavor. All it understands is the words of the recipes and sometimes not even that, it than needs to make new recipes without being able to taste it. Your food will taste as bland and souless as the robot who cannot taste it, even if it does taste good you’ll know its basically just a worse version based on stolen recipes.

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      4 days ago

      I mean I eat food made by a robot basically every day and it’s pretty good.

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      4 days ago

      I hate to be the one to break it to you, but a huge amount of the food that is eaten in the world is made by “robots”. It ain’t the Keebler Elves in those factories baking your vanilla sandwich cookies, that’s for sure.

      Go watch any video on mass produced food and you’ll see that it is made by machines. Drinks are mixed, bottled and packed without any human intervention. You would have a hard time trying to find a dish that you eat that was not prepared in some part by soulless, tasteless machines.

      • zitrone 🍋@lemmings.worldOP
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        4 days ago

        Those robots were still configured by humans to produce a product the humans designed.The automatically produced food is still human food.

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          3 days ago

          AI are also still configured by humans, since they are the ones choosing which training data is used. So automatically generated art is still human art.

          • zitrone 🍋@lemmings.worldOP
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            3 days ago

            The needed training data is so enormous, it is not cherry picked by humans. Furthermore, transforming random data until it fits the given description enough according to a “neural network” that was statistically curve fitted to the training data, is not in any way human.

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              3 days ago

              Furthermore, transforming random data until it fits the given description enough according to a “neural network” that was statistically curve fitted to the training data, is not in any way human.

              You’re confidently stating something that, literally, no scientist would claim. We have no idea how neurons form our mind.

              The reason that we use the term neural network is because the functions implemented in the individual neurons in neural networks are based on functions derived from measuring actual neurons in real brains. The model weights are literally a mathematical description of how different neurons connect to each other and, when trained on similar data computational neural networks and organic neural networks form similar data processing structures.

              https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1566253524003609

              Inspired by biological vision, the architecture of deep neural networks has undergone significant transformations. For instance, the design of Convolutional Neural Networks (CNN) draws inspiration from the organization of the visual cortex in the brain, while Recurrent Neural Networks (RNN) emulate the mechanisms in the brain for processing sequential data.

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                3 days ago

                You are now arguing that statistical CGI is human because its “neural networks” are inspired by biological neurons, which is an entirely different argument than the one I answered on. But fine.

                As your article says:

                the architecture of deep neural networks has undergone significant transformations.

                The functions and achitecture has been so optimized and simplified, that it is just matrix multiplication now. It’s just math now. Math that is a lot simpler than the math that would be required to describe and simulate human brains.

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                  2 days ago

                  The functions and achitecture has been so optimized and simplified, that it is just matrix multiplication now. It’s just math now.

                  “Just math” is used to describe essentially everything in science. You’re implying that a mathematical model can’t predict reality which is just incorrect.

                  We use math to accurately describe all kinds of natural processes and phenomenon. Mathematical models are the foundation of most fields of science because they accurately model reality.

                  And, because matrices a useful mathematical tool for describing complex systems (here, the connections between large numbers of neurons) they’re often used in many fields.

                  This is why we can predict time dilation in the GPS satellites used to locate your phone or how air will flow over the blades in jet turbines: because mathematical models of a process completely describe the process.

                  • zitrone 🍋@lemmings.worldOP
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                    2 days ago

                    bruh

                    of course math can predict and model reality, but that was not my argument

                    my argument is that the mathematical model for machine learning is in no way close to human minds anymore