• entwine413@lemm.ee
    623·
    8 个月前

    It’s really stupid to not believe in aliens given the size of the universe.

    • NarrativeBear@lemmy.world
      71·
      8 个月前

      Also given the scale of time of the universe. We as humans have only existed for a small amout of time on the vast scale of things.

      Countless alien civilizations may have existed and destroyed themselves, and may others may have not come into existence yet.

    • capybara@lemm.eeEnglish
      5·
      8 个月前

      People who are interested in aliens and UFOs rarely solely make this argument. Often, they’ve encountered or somehow know of these aliens.

      • 0x0@lemmy.zip
        1·
        8 个月前

        That’s a bit of an oxymorinic argument those people use. If an inteligent species dropped by and had ONE look around, they would NOT turn on their high beams.

        • CalipherJones@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          8 个月前

          If an intelligent species was able to travel the distance to actually reach us that’d mean they are far far far far beyond our technological capacity. It’d be game over if aliens ever reached us.

      • pyre@lemmy.world
        6·
        8 个月前

        alien doesn’t necessarily mean sapient, humanoid or even anything larger than a walnut. if you took life on earth as a sample of the universe it would be much more likely for an alien lifeform to be a plant or bacteria. and even an animal is more likely to be an insect than a mammal-like animal, much less anything humanoid.

        (someone should look into the numbers my source is just vague memory at this point)

      • dgbbad@lemmy.zipEnglish
        4·
        8 个月前

        We are the evidence. Life can happen. It’s been proven. If it’s happening here, it’s crazy to think we are somehow special and it’s not happening somewhere else out there.

    • underwire212@lemm.ee
      3·
      8 个月前

      I think we should be looking inter dimensionally for alien life rather than extraterrestrial.

        • NarrativeBear@lemmy.world
          1·
          8 个月前

          The Orvil did a episode on that where they found a two dimensional universe with life in it. The bad part, three dimensional life cannot exist in two dimensions with a digestive track, it gets split into two parts.

          I can’t imagine a forth, fifth, or sixth dimension or how a three dimensional being could survive it.

    • s_s@lemm.eeEnglish
      11·
      8 个月前

      “Earth First” is an interesting and compelling explanation for the Fermi Paradox.

  • cuuube@lemmy.world
    381·
    8 个月前

    I swear this post is straight from 9gag. It feels like it was made 15 years ago…

  • wanderwisley@lemm.eeEnglish
    22·
    8 个月前

    Why won’t you get the vaccine? “Because idk what’s in it.” Why did you get Chinese dick and hair pills? “Because I NEED it!”

  • jsomae@lemmy.ml
    151·
    8 个月前

    My experience with random processes: on large scales, things either happen 0 times or many times. So I find the idea that life exists in only one place pretty implausible.

    • MaxHardwood@lemmy.caEnglish
      3·
      8 个月前

      That’s the rule for astronomy. If it happens once, it always happens; we just haven’t seen it yet

        • MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml
          1·
          8 个月前

          By that definition, the first life on earth was not alive the first 1 billion years or so, until the complex process of reproduction was invented. Heck, life doesn’t even have to be mobile, can be fused to a rock, even more so than moss or a stromatolith. Metabolism and maybe reaction to stimuli are imo the only real requirements.

      • jsomae@lemmy.ml
        1·
        8 个月前

        you may define life however you like; the thing I said still makes sense regardless of definition (0 or many)

  • Noam_Parenti@lemm.eeEnglish
    112·
    8 个月前

    A lot of Christians will say no to believing in Aliens but because they believe God created humans and gave us the universe.

    Or in a similar vain, because aliens aren’t mentioned in the Bible they don’t think they are real.

      • Noam_Parenti@lemm.eeEnglish
        81·
        8 个月前

        I’m not at all saying this is how I feel.

        I was raised a Christian and considered myself one until I reached the age of reason. So I have some insight into how they think.

        • CalipherJones@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          8 个月前

          It’s funny how a lot of kids learn Santa isn’t real but keep believing in God. Maybe because learning God isn’t real is significantly more painful to the soul so they refuse to consider it.

  • Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io
    114·
    8 个月前

    Well I’ve never seen air. Nor oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, the list goes on and on. I’ve never seen Ukraine, but I do believe there is some awful shit going on over there.

    • CalipherJones@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      8 个月前

      We can weigh all of those gases. We can also blow them up. We can also look at emissions spectrums. There’s a lot of ways to test gases. That’s why we know they exist.

      As for Ukraine… People have been there. There are pictures and videos. Thousands of years of history.

      I’m not sure if you’re joking or not because I’ve seen people with similar arguments.

    • Nelots@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      8 个月前

      But you’ve certainly directly interacted with all of them in some form or another.

      • Nelots@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        8 个月前

        I don’t think sentient is the word you’re looking for, as animals have sentience.

        • NarrativeBear@lemmy.world
          1·
          8 个月前

          It was a little bit on purpose TBH, it leaves some room for though, and broadens the scope or definition of alien life.

          We already know organic compounds can survive in space on astroids and comets, and we know these compounds can survive impact with planetary bodies.

          What’s to say these same comets have not impacted other planetary bodies in our galaxy, or have traveled between galaxies in our Universe.

          Timescales would make it impossible to know if two species on two planetary bodies would evolve at the same time.

    • bleistift2@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      3·
      8 个月前

      In my younger years I tried to make sense of the ‘God created humans’ thing by envisioning lots of aliens species with lots of gods, each catering for their own pets. Then I wondered if these gods would compete over who had the best pet, or would go to war with each other.

  • Manmoth@lemmy.ml
    11·
    8 个月前

    What is a category error? I’ll try Basic Philosophy again for 400 Alex.

  • WereCat@lemmy.world
    11·
    8 个月前

    I haven’t met or seen any of you… Man, the bots are really good at shitposting.

  • NarrativeBear@lemmy.world
    14·
    8 个月前

    If humans are born of the universe, and humans are sentient. Is the universe not its self sentient?

    The universe created life, and life experiences the Universe. The universe is thus aware of its self.

    This video depicting the concept of the Universe as a egg may also blow your mind.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6fcK_fRYaI

    • Nelots@lemm.eeEnglish
      4·
      8 个月前
      • Humans are born of the universe.
      • Humans are sentient.
      • Therefore, the universe is sentient.

      Your conclusion does not follow your premises. Just because one thing has an attribute does not mean the thing that came before it has that same attribute. See:

      • Humans are born of the universe.
      • Humans are supposed to have two arms and two legs.
      • Therefore, the universe is supposed to have two arms and two legs.
      • CalipherJones@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        8 个月前

        He never said all of the universe is aware of all of itself.

        It could be possible that some believe the universe is a container for all things while others believe it is all things.

        • NarrativeBear@lemmy.world
          2·
          8 个月前

          Well put, this was my training of thought as well.

          As a analogy, our body is the Universe. Our fingernails (the moon) do not experience themselves or have any awareness of their own existence. Our mind (a living thing) knows and experiences our fingernails and is aware of its own existence.

          • CalipherJones@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            8 个月前

            As far as I’m concerned, we’re atoms that understand we’re atoms. That’s the universe witnessing itself.

      • NarrativeBear@lemmy.world
        2·
        8 个月前

        This would all depend on peoples different views or understanding of God. Not everyone in the world may be religious or Christian, but it does not mean their view or understanding of God is any less or more correct then your own.

        I don’t considered myself religious, but I do believe in God.

        What is God, if not the Universe?

        I suppose the next though would be is God apart of the Universe, or do they reside outside of the Universe?

        If God were apart of the Universe, did they create themselves and the Universe, or did God themselves come into being at the Universe’s creation? Is God the Universe its self?

        That saying that God is all within us, at least to me seems to imply that God is the Universe, and since humans are “created of the stars” we have God within us.

        Or alternatively if God resides outside the Universe? Would that imply there is more beyond the Universe or do we simply reside in a “simulation” of sorts.

        • CalipherJones@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          8 个月前

          Great questions.

          These are the sort of questions that make talking about religion so difficult because everyone believes different things even though they think they’re talking about the same thing. These are often too many questions for online discourse, and you have to ask every person to make sure the conversation is grounded, so what happens is these questions are simply ignored and people keep bickering over misunderstandings lol. But that’s human nature I suppose.

          As far as I’m aware, many Christians believe Yahweh to be independent of the universe. He is the creator not the created.

          • NarrativeBear@lemmy.world
            2·
            8 个月前

            Absolutely agreed, these conversations are generally very deep and definitely the Shit Post community is not the best fit for them.

            That being said this one idea always resonated with me.

            The idea that “we are drops of water joining to create the ocean”, suggesting that individuals are interconnected and form a larger whole, like drops of water merging to create a vast ocean.

            Or how’s Ajaan, the Buddhist monk in season 2 of White Lotus phrases it.

            “When you were born, you were like a single drop of water separated from the one giant consciousness. You are born, then you die to descend back into the water and become one with the ocean again. No more separated, no more suffering.”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7cZAe3F3rQ

            I thought this was beautiful put.