I haven’t met or seen any of you… Man, the bots are really good at shitposting.
What is a category error? I’ll try Basic Philosophy again for 400 Alex.
It’s really stupid to not believe in aliens given the size of the universe.
It’s really stupid to believe aliens visited earth given the size of the universe.
What about the American people constantly complaining about aliens illegally entering their country? Explain this!
Fucking Englishmen in New York.
Those are 2 completely different statements.
It wasn’t a refutation. It was added information.
Sorry I was not 100% sure so I figured I’d respond just in case.
Comments should come with this disclaimer. People get so upset when you continue the discussion for no reason.
Yeah the idea that aliens exist but haven’t been here yet is basically the plot of the awesome series
I also agree with this statement, although it’s well within the realm of possibility that life on Earth was seeded by an ancient extraterrestrial civilization. That’s a timescale of a few billion years.
But it’s still not as stupid as thinking that the supreme creator of the infinite universe has a personal interest in how you live your life.
That would make some sense if not for overwhelming proof of evolution of both, animals and nature that started out with pretty much nothing
I like to entertain the idea that something similar to mushroom spores were emitted throughout a part of space and mostly didn’t work but, where it did, life was ready to ride evolution all over again from just the basics. Just fun to think about. I’m not a witch, don’t burn me
Also given the scale of time of the universe. We as humans have only existed for a small amout of time on the vast scale of things.
Countless alien civilizations may have existed and destroyed themselves, and may others may have not come into existence yet.
Revelation Space (#scifi) delves neatly into that.
People who are interested in aliens and UFOs rarely solely make this argument. Often, they’ve encountered or somehow know of these aliens.
If aliens haven’t been to earth, how come all the bigots keep bitching about illegal ones? 🤔
That’s a bit of an oxymorinic argument those people use. If an inteligent species dropped by and had ONE look around, they would NOT turn on their high beams.
If an intelligent species was able to travel the distance to actually reach us that’d mean they are far far far far beyond our technological capacity. It’d be game over if aliens ever reached us.
I’d believe it when I see evidence. Otherwise it’s just a possibility.
We are the evidence. Life can happen. It’s been proven. If it’s happening here, it’s crazy to think we are somehow special and it’s not happening somewhere else out there.
alien doesn’t necessarily mean sapient, humanoid or even anything larger than a walnut. if you took life on earth as a sample of the universe it would be much more likely for an alien lifeform to be a plant or bacteria. and even an animal is more likely to be an insect than a mammal-like animal, much less anything humanoid.
(someone should look into the numbers my source is just vague memory at this point)
I think we should be looking inter dimensionally for alien life rather than extraterrestrial.
How?
The Orvil did a episode on that where they found a two dimensional universe with life in it. The bad part, three dimensional life cannot exist in two dimensions with a digestive track, it gets split into two parts.
I can’t imagine a forth, fifth, or sixth dimension or how a three dimensional being could survive it.
Ancient alien theorists say yes
“Earth First” is an interesting and compelling explanation for the Fermi Paradox.
Logic in religion? That’s your first mistake there.
I swear this post is straight from 9gag. It feels like it was made 15 years ago…
15 years ago it was mostly lolcats and rage comics.
Fffffuuuuuuuuuuuu
Pretty sure 15 years ago was like…1998
Why won’t you get the vaccine? “Because idk what’s in it.” Why did you get Chinese dick and hair pills? “Because I NEED it!”
“Was your burger tasty?”
Well God is an alien, by definition.
He’s supoosedly everywhere, but i don’t think he has any papers, he’s an illegal alien
Deport Jésus (Christ)!
No anti authoritarian rebels allowed here. Probably ms13
If god is anything, why not crab
My experience with random processes: on large scales, things either happen 0 times or many times. So I find the idea that life exists in only one place pretty implausible.
That’s the rule for astronomy. If it happens once, it always happens; we just haven’t seen it yet
Define life
Here I googled it for you
It is defined descriptively by the capacity for homeostasis, organisation, metabolism, growth, adaptation, response to stimuli, and reproduction.
If you’re gonna be on lemmy you should really learn basic definitions or at least learn how to look them up. Then you should go back to your high school and burn it down (without anyone inside) because it completely failed you.
By that definition, the first life on earth was not alive the first 1 billion years or so, until the complex process of reproduction was invented. Heck, life doesn’t even have to be mobile, can be fused to a rock, even more so than moss or a stromatolith. Metabolism and maybe reaction to stimuli are imo the only real requirements.
you may define life however you like; the thing I said still makes sense regardless of definition (0 or many)
A lot of Christians will say no to believing in Aliens but because they believe God created humans and gave us the universe.
Or in a similar vain, because aliens aren’t mentioned in the Bible they don’t think they are real.
Does the Bible mention Mario kart
I’m not at all saying this is how I feel.
I was raised a Christian and considered myself one until I reached the age of reason. So I have some insight into how they think.
It’s funny how a lot of kids learn Santa isn’t real but keep believing in God. Maybe because learning God isn’t real is significantly more painful to the soul so they refuse to consider it.
I’m pretty sure rainbow road is in there once or twice
Well I’ve never seen air. Nor oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, the list goes on and on. I’ve never seen Ukraine, but I do believe there is some awful shit going on over there.
We can weigh all of those gases. We can also blow them up. We can also look at emissions spectrums. There’s a lot of ways to test gases. That’s why we know they exist.
As for Ukraine… People have been there. There are pictures and videos. Thousands of years of history.
I’m not sure if you’re joking or not because I’ve seen people with similar arguments.
If you are not sure if I’m joking, I’m giving you permission to assume that in fact I am joking.
Instagram reels have made it impossible for me to tell when people are joking haha. No matter how ridiculous the position, someone on there will have it.
I’m not using (being used by) any meta products at this time.
Yup, I deleted all of mine. Trash company.
But you’ve certainly directly interacted with all of them in some form or another.
Yes, I have Ukrainian neighbors.
If you’ve seen that blue-ness in the sky you’ve seen air.
Maybe god wasn’t capable of creating aliens…
Maybe God created the speed of light to keep players region-locked.
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Tower of babel? Being able to communicate with each other? That’s gay. I want to watch them kill each other - God
God is all powerful, but only up to and limited too creating one sentient life form
I don’t think sentient is the word you’re looking for, as animals have sentience.
It was a little bit on purpose TBH, it leaves some room for though, and broadens the scope or definition of alien life.
We already know organic compounds can survive in space on astroids and comets, and we know these compounds can survive impact with planetary bodies.
What’s to say these same comets have not impacted other planetary bodies in our galaxy, or have traveled between galaxies in our Universe.
Timescales would make it impossible to know if two species on two planetary bodies would evolve at the same time.
Got sidetracked by another project
In my younger years I tried to make sense of the ‘God created humans’ thing by envisioning lots of aliens species with lots of gods, each catering for their own pets. Then I wondered if these gods would compete over who had the best pet, or would go to war with each other.
That why I don’t believe in Bird
Interesting logic or backstory?
If humans are born of the universe, and humans are sentient. Is the universe not its self sentient?
The universe created life, and life experiences the Universe. The universe is thus aware of its self.
This video depicting the concept of the Universe as a egg may also blow your mind.
- Humans are born of the universe.
- Humans are sentient.
- Therefore, the universe is sentient.
Your conclusion does not follow your premises. Just because one thing has an attribute does not mean the thing that came before it has that same attribute. See:
- Humans are born of the universe.
- Humans are supposed to have two arms and two legs.
- Therefore, the universe is supposed to have two arms and two legs.
The moon is not sentient.
He never said all of the universe is aware of all of itself.
It could be possible that some believe the universe is a container for all things while others believe it is all things.
Well put, this was my training of thought as well.
As a analogy, our body is the Universe. Our fingernails (the moon) do not experience themselves or have any awareness of their own existence. Our mind (a living thing) knows and experiences our fingernails and is aware of its own existence.
As far as I’m concerned, we’re atoms that understand we’re atoms. That’s the universe witnessing itself.
Yeah you are correct. Doesn’t have much to do with God though.
This would all depend on peoples different views or understanding of God. Not everyone in the world may be religious or Christian, but it does not mean their view or understanding of God is any less or more correct then your own.
I don’t considered myself religious, but I do believe in God.
What is God, if not the Universe?
I suppose the next though would be is God apart of the Universe, or do they reside outside of the Universe?
If God were apart of the Universe, did they create themselves and the Universe, or did God themselves come into being at the Universe’s creation? Is God the Universe its self?
That saying that God is all within us, at least to me seems to imply that God is the Universe, and since humans are “created of the stars” we have God within us.
Or alternatively if God resides outside the Universe? Would that imply there is more beyond the Universe or do we simply reside in a “simulation” of sorts.
Great questions.
These are the sort of questions that make talking about religion so difficult because everyone believes different things even though they think they’re talking about the same thing. These are often too many questions for online discourse, and you have to ask every person to make sure the conversation is grounded, so what happens is these questions are simply ignored and people keep bickering over misunderstandings lol. But that’s human nature I suppose.
As far as I’m aware, many Christians believe Yahweh to be independent of the universe. He is the creator not the created.
Absolutely agreed, these conversations are generally very deep and definitely the Shit Post community is not the best fit for them.
That being said this one idea always resonated with me.
The idea that “we are drops of water joining to create the ocean”, suggesting that individuals are interconnected and form a larger whole, like drops of water merging to create a vast ocean.
Or how’s Ajaan, the Buddhist monk in season 2 of White Lotus phrases it.
“When you were born, you were like a single drop of water separated from the one giant consciousness. You are born, then you die to descend back into the water and become one with the ocean again. No more separated, no more suffering.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7cZAe3F3rQ
I thought this was beautiful put.
Basically sums up how I see the world lol.
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