Completely unrealistic and unwatchable. Suit needs to be tan.
Take it easy man, we do not want to over stage Citizen Kane, here.
Mr. Tan Suit would win best supporting actor, AND best costume design, by itself.
Next Summer they’ll show Black Hitler
Hitlack or Blitler?
I would not be surprised if that was the title of Kanye’s next album.
Hmmm so you need woman of colour? Maybe Gal Gadot? /s
Especially fucked seen as it sounds like negligence.
This is obviously a perfect role for Ryan Gosling
I think he is already scheduled to star in the MLK movie, so not sure he would have the time
AI Morgan Freeman
Why AI? Wtf, you made me think he died. Don’t do this to me.
They should get Lisa Kudrow to play Rosa Parks.
This is crazy, I mean Roberts is from the South and Tubman from the north, no one’s going to believe it!
True! It’s called acting for a reason.
The article led me down a rabbit hole leading to an article about the ghost in the shell movie adaptation promo meme generator being used to criticise the whitewashing in the movie adaptation
Fuck whitewashing
Am I the only one who doesn’t know who Harriet Tubman is?
Probably not, but she’s an important figure of the American history. The real question, though, is who will know about Harriet Tubman in a few years, once she gets erased from American history books.
At least people will be able to remember she looked like Julia Roberts
Elon Musk will build The Above Ground Railroad to save white South African immigrants from the tyranny of paying taxes.
The Above Ground Hyperloop
Yeah, she died in 1913, if she has not been erased in 112 years, and with people still wanting to make a movie about her…
Perhaps you may be leaning into conspiracy theories and are fear mongering yourself and others. Stop it.
Here, from Wikipedia:
Parks, monuments, and historical sites
National parks and national monuments related to Tubman in the United States are the Harriet Tubman Underground Railroad National Monument and the Harriet Tubman Underground Railroad National Historical Park, both in Maryland,[215] and the Harriet Tubman National Historical Park in Auburn.[216] The Salem Chapel in St. Catharines, Canada where Tubman worshipped, is a National Historic Site of Canada.[217]
The city of Auburn, New York has several historical sites related to Tubman, including her gravesite.[218][219] Other state and local historical sites about Tubman include the Harriet Tubman Underground Railroad State Park[220] and the Harriet Tubman Memorial Garden[221] in Maryland, and the Harriet Tubman Museum is in New Jersey.[222]
Artistic portrayals
Tubman is the subject of many works of art. Musicians including Woody Guthrie, Wynton Marsalis, and Walter Robinson have written songs celebrating her.[223] She is the subject of operas by Thea Musgrave,[224] Nkeiru Okoye,[225] and Hilda Paredes,[226] as well as plays by Carolyn Gage and a collaboration of May Miller and Willis Richardson.[227] Tubman is the focus of novels by Elizabeth Cobbs,[228] Marcy Heidish,[229] Anne Parrish,[230] and Bob the Drag Queen,[231] and is a character in novels by Terry Bisson,[232] Ta-Nehisi Coates,[233] and James McBride.[234]
Since Tubman’s life was first dramatized on television in a 1963 episode of the series The Great Adventure,[235] she has been portrayed in TV productions such as The Good Lord Bird,[236] Timeless,[237] Underground,[236] and A Woman Called Moses.[238] Cynthia Erivo received an Academy Award nomination for portraying Tubman in the 2019 biographical film Harriet.[239]
Dozens of schools,[247] streets and highways,[248] church groups, social organizations, and government agencies have been named after Tubman.[249] In 1944, the United States Maritime Commission launched the SS Harriet Tubman, its first Liberty ship named for a black woman.[211]
On November 11, 2024, Tubman was posthumously commissioned as a one-star general in the Maryland National Guard in recognition of her military service during the Civil War.[250]
First and foremost, you are side stepping my comment. She ain’t getting “erased.” You could admit to just being wrong there. Instead of moving the goal post.
First link: They are removing DEI stuff from NASA. We do not have to insert DEI into everything if it is not merited. They are not trying to “erase” people from history. DEI is based on political ideology that tends to be performative rather actually useful. Look at all the corporations that claims to support LGBT issues in the USA but say and do nothing in Muslim countries? Why? Because it is all a grift that people in the USA and other countries fall for. Search about the missing money from BLM, Something like half of the 90+ million is just gone. Mostly in houses, salaries to friends, family and crazy lifestyles, travelling. Up here in Toronto, the head of BLM embezzled like $100,000 from York University. Then claimed racism when they took her to court, backtracked that claim the day before the court date and said she would try to pay it back as a way to avoid possible jail. Merited credit is good, Tubman is not going anywhere.
Second link: They are returning the stuff to their rightful owners. They could just donate the items, if they wanted to and care so much about the history. As they claim. If it was part of the collection it would be up on display.
That’s not even close to a thought out response, just reactive defense of the current administration fascistic policies and desire to erase history.
Is it normal that they are removing women from military history?
Does the boot leather taste that great?
She’s the original free runner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1dhATC-ekQ
Does the phrase “underground railroad” mean anything to you?
Not everyone is from North America. That is like me asking you, does “Dr. Kwame Nkrumah” mean anything to you?
Tbh, it should. American educations don’t touch Africa barring a dip into Egypt, which usually compresses the dynasties in a way that does nothing for a deeper understanding. Even as someone with a BA in history, that watched the course listing like a hawk for “history of the Sahel” or “history of the Mali empire” or some lovely 3000-4000 course - nothing.
I should have been taught who Nkrumah was. And Léopold Senghor, and Kenyatta…
Instead, I lean on The Fate of Africa by Martin Meredith. Which is a good book, but by a journalist, not a historian.
If only that question was a direct response to someone talking about an American historical figure by name.
does “Dr. Kwame Nkrumah” mean anything to you?
C’mon, there are lots of NBA fans outside of the United States.
We call it the subway or the metro nowadays.
…no?
Okay, Harriet Tubman, born into slavery in the early 1800s, escaped slavery, probably best known today for making 13 trips to the South and guiding 70 slaves on their escape to free states via a system of secret routes, sympathizers and safe houses referred to as The Underground Railroad. Tubman went on to serve as a spy for the Union army during the American civil war, and was a figure in the women’s suffrage movement, surviving into the 20th century.
So, the fact that she was a black woman is kind of important to Harriet Tubman’s lore, and casting Julia Roberts in the role is rather inappropriate.
The Underground Railroad had nothing to do with actual trains, but they used a lot of railroad related terminology as code speak. Trail guides were referred to as “conductors,” safe houses were “stations,” etc. Very little of it was actually underground; I’m sure a few slaves hid in root cellars or caves along the way, but there were no tunnels. Escapees were sometimes carried by boat or train but most traveled on foot and/or by wagon. There’s a sort of folklore image of slaves traveling at night under the cover of darkness, navigating by the North Star. Allegedly, the song “Follow The Drinkin’ Gourd” was a slave song that contained coded instructions for navigating along the Underground Railroad by landmarks along the trail and by using Merak and Dubhe in Ursa Major to identify Polaris…I’m pretty sure this is 20th century embellishment to the story but it’s a prominent visual, kind of like Johnny Appleseed’s pot hat.
This bit of history is taught so widely in American schools that the term “underground railroad” has just become our word for a secret, grassroots network of routes, safe houses and guides for transporting refugees out of danger.
Congrats on being one of the lucky 10,000 learning something new, especially about a genuine hero!
Like the Eurostar
I do not get it. I just see 3 pictures of Tubman.
I want to argue but tbh it was so long ago that I don’t really see a difference
Oh god, it’s real.
It’s such an insane story that I wonder what the other side of it is. It’s easy to imagine the guy just having got out of a meeting ten minutes earlier with “if you don’t get Julia Roberts into a movie by the end of the week, I’ll see you never work in this town again!” ringing in his ears.
Look up who Alec McGuiness played in Lawrence of Arabia.
Or look at Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany’s. Or Elizabeth Taylor in Cleopatra. Or John Wayne in Gengis Khan.
Or Elizabeth Taylor in Cleopatra.
Cleopatra was by ancestry mostly Greek. So I don’t get what you mean.
Most of her subjects weren’t quite “black” either.
Sorry for this interjection, but I hate wrong corrections, especially when they give up cute chains of thought like “queen of (hellenistic, that’s my own addition) Egypt -> Egypt’s in the African continent -> black”.
Yeah, the thing a lot of people seem to miss is just how major of a geographic barrier the Sahara is. As a consequence, northern Africans weren’t generally very black for most of history.
Or Emma Stone in Aloha, or Max Minghella in The Social Network, or Tilda Swinton in Doctor Strange.
It’s weird how the reverse is somehow ok now. Anne Boleyn played by a black woman why not? Historical accurac? What even is that?? .
It is different, if color of skin is a relevant part of the context of the story. Having John Brown played by a black man would be equally misleading.
For Anne Boleyn’s story on the other hand, racism did not play a part, because it wasn’t even invented yet.
Because people aren’t depicting Jesus as a white Caucasian male?
If the skin colour isn’t relevant to the story, it doesn’t matter. If it is relevant, it does.
Being rich doesn’t mean you’re smart.
The average Hollywood executive is really dumb, but they tend to be great talkers and networkers.
they tend to be great talkers and networkers
This is selling them a bit short. They’re also generally pretty good at raping aspiring actresses.
In fairness, many Hollywood actors and actresses are really good at being aware that is happening and yet keeping all their mouths sealed shut while the raping is happening, and for decades. And then pretend to be shocked once the shit comes out. Guess, that is called: Acting.
Pretending she didn’t know anything about it may be Oprah’s best acting outing in her career in the businesses.
All of them?
Only the ones that got into their hands.
Halle Berry though… 🤔
Kevin Hart.
Martin Lawrence would rock it in “Big Tubman’s House”
I’m going to hell for this upvote.
Would have been a better role than catwoman
I’m a top exec for a very big movie company and I hear you on this. No more Julia Roberts. Got it. Roberts out, Catwoman in. …
Someone get me Michelle Pfeiffer on the phone. I have a great idea, Catwoman as Harry Tubmen.
That’s an Oscar winner, right there.
Tyler Perry?
Fun story - I went to a troubled teen facility, and we had “group.” There was no actual qualifications required for the people running “group.”
We watched Tyler Perry movies. (Also at one point Ip Man which is a goated film.) I learned the phrase “give head” or similar while watching How Did I Get Married. I was asked to think about the lessons that this movie could apply to my interpersonal relationships - I had never considered how the frequency of oral sex would decease after marriage.
Tbh - if you do any academic study of history, that’s what it all starts to look like.
I tried to watch Spartacus because Kubrick and… I couldn’t. Those fucking hairdos. The depiction of Marcus Aurelius in Gladiator upset me - like no, the man was not a proto Thomas Jefferson (and even the IRL Jefferson made his money on child slavery and raped children.) Wuxia is so much fun but there’s never going to be a period accurate Three Kingdoms (which is a 14th century novel anyway)
Medieval history especially…. That’s pages and pages, and I’m not even really that much of a medievalist.
Tbh - if you do any academic study of history, that’s what it all starts to look like.
Even without academic studies - I wanted some context for Tolkien (analogous periods\events), Walter Scott, Dumas, who not. And I wanted some context for R:TW and M2:TW games, so I found mods like Europa Barbarorum. And eventually I’ve read some of Icelandic sagas, and some of medieval poetry translations, and so on. Same with context for fantasy books, some alternatives IRL.
So, after that, there’s just nothing on screen I can watch.
Icelandic low-budget movie kinda associated with Beowulf, but making Grendel a neanderthal (yep), looked cool due to seemingly authentic buildings and weapons and clothes and everything. But it wasn’t a very interesting movie.
I’ve seen a Danish low-budget movie “Eagle’s eye”, some things felt like fine, but again, the story itself just didn’t seem right. Except for the one-eyed guy seeing through the eye of a bird - eh, I dunno why it was an eagle and not a raven, but his relation with the king and with the bishop seemed an interesting allegory on heathenry and christendom.
Roman empire - just leave me alone.
like no, the man was not a proto Thomas Jefferson
The man also, when he found out his wife had a lover, made her a bath filled with his blood. That was in his youth, but.
At the same time he called her “so meek, so simple-minded, so kind” when thanking gods for her.
He became very wise by the end of his life, but, eh, not in US founding fathers’ direction. More like Obi-Wan Kenobi made emperor.
Medieval history especially
At least we have Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
I do historical reenactment, so I have a hobby that involves researching the age of a certain embroidery stitch, for example.
I’ve learned to just switch off that part of my brain for games and movies, or I’d cry a lot more. I just project them to an alternate reality where they totally had nylon in 1200.
Pre medieval knitting bothers me immensely. Stockinette is too recognizable and too taken for granted to not be driving me crazy constantly.
I’ve got this rough theory that we can get decently historic pieces from around 50 AD (but only in central italy, nowhere else), around 1200, 1800 and then from 1900 to now. Everything else is even more of crapshoot.
Anything between Commodus and Charlemange is especially cursed
Anything between Commodus and Charlemange is especially cursed
Helmets with horns, yes? And Roman army looking like cabaret.
pretty much any ‘historical’ movies are completely unwatchable to me
