TL;DR
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Google has made it harder to build custom Android ROMs for Pixel phones by omitting their device trees and driver binaries from the latest AOSP release.
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The company says this is because it’s shifting its AOSP reference target from Pixel hardware to a virtual device called “Cuttlefish” to be more neutral.
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While Google insists AOSP isn’t going away, developers must now reverse-engineer changes, making the process for supporting Pixel devices more difficult.
The company says this is because it’s shifting its AOSP reference target from Pixel hardware to a virtual device called “Cuttlefish” to be more neutral.
This actually probably make sense, but they could still be cool and have pixel drivers be open source in a different repo if that was the only reason.
Yeah, just that this has shit to do with the stated reasons. Google hasn’t been an open source ally for quite some time now
Yup, the entire culture of Google has nearly changed. It used to be coder- and innovation-driven, and open-source was a natural thing to support. Make more money by growing the pie, creating markets with new tech.
Now it seems it’s middle managers and MBAs calling the shots, and their strategy is generic business zero-sum mindset - lock down, restrict, extract. They still see the PR value in open-source, but that’s it.
Just becoming 1990s Microsoft or 1980s IBM.
Do you think it may be related to the monopoly issues they are currently facing?
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Now more than ever we need more work on PostmarketOS, Mobian, Gnome Mobile etc…
Bummer that it’s still so hard to find a somewhat modern, affordable phone that is Linux compatible
Yeah, I’d totally buy a phone running one of those provided it does all the phone things properly: SMS/MMS, reliable calls, all day battery, etc. I don’t need fancy apps, I just need a working phone.
If I can get that, I could probably donate some time porting apps.
I really want to give furios phone a shot. It’s apparently close to supporting my carrier.
That and a sailfish phone. The community one though didn’t support my carrier (think it’s mainly EU specced only.)
What I find missing most of the time though is any esim support. Makes me wonder if the hardware one that you can program an esim on works.
Why eSim? Does your carrier not support physical sim?
For traveling I find it much easier to just buy an esim
It’s so crazy (technically understandable, but still crazy) to me that reliably receiving calls is still such a major issue
I want a phone with only cellular data, no calling, no sms, just an open source browser capable of webasm and webrtc
We had those, they were called Pocket PCs. I too want them back. I loved the Dell Axim x51v. A tablet does the job, but it’s the same shitty OS.
Sounds like a tablet, and that very well could be easier for someone to build than a phone.
Can we have one of those that fit in my pocket, like 6.5" max ?
There are some 7-8" tablets that could probably fit in a pocket, but finding the perfect mix of Linux compatibility and cell chip is going to be difficult.
However, I see a few Linux tablets out there that have to be all runs, because Linux tablets are a pretty small niche, so it might not be that expensive to build one yourself.
I know someone at a company that built and sold a Linux phone 19 years ago.
You’re not upset you can’t find a Linux phone: you’re upset you can’t find one anymore.
Why can’t we install it on a Samsung Galaxy A06 A065F DS ? They are like, less than 200$ new without contracts
Does this mean Graphene is dead? Probably the real reason they would do this is to kill Graphene.
What i understand is porting over android 16 is gonna be slow.
It certainly feels like it is judging by the general moodshifts occuring. But I’m a moron, what alternative exists for a secure phone of comparable functionality? It feels like ditching phones is the only option to some extent(for me). If stupid, isn’t the phone the most vulnerable weakpoint open to attack?
This fits into Google tying Android closer to them, same with the recent move of only making release source publicly available.
They’re regretting having started Android as an “open” platform and want to gain control fast, maybe preparing for the current anti-trust trials they are facing in the US.
AOSP can be fully abandoned and privately forked by Google without it technically being “dead,” but that abandonment would effectively kill the project.
This is not good, this is why I don’t like permissive licenses.
Or in other words, cuck licenses.
Haha, great name, thanks for the link!
Sundar Pichai strikes again!
Long time coming, Play Integrity (or whatever’s called nowadays) restrictions have effectively killed any alternative distributions.
I swear to god how many time it has to pass until developers realize open source is just a facade only Free Software licences are free as in freedom
Preach
huh, look at that. the thing people were warned about when buying pixel phones happened.
Google doing something bad? SAY IT ISN’T SO
I was about to buy one next year… what do you recommend instead?
fair phone has treated me well enough.
I have a FP4 that runs e/os. won’t lie, the software has bugs, but the hardware is pretty solid.
This fucking sucks. Cyberpunk dystopia
In cyberpunk dystopia you could buy normal things, just most wasn’t it.
Oneplus gang, how we feelin?
as a panicked graphene enjoyer, does oneplus measure up as a decent alternative or no?
I use a Oneplus 7 pro and my rom maintainer still updates and I still get a new version once every two months or so. If you want to omit gapps, you are more than free to do so. (Crdroid)
You are selling me mr. Fudge. I still need to do a lotta research but you are def sellin me here
The trap: He could stop builds for the OP7… tomorrow with zero warning.
That leads to my main takeaway for custom roms. Pick the phone with the most topics and replies on XDA. The more popular and liked, the more supported you’ll be.
and never get attached to anything. Your phone miraculously has support, none are guaranteed it.
You have now anti-sold me and hyper-enlightened me with some very worthwhile wisdom. I can not say thank you enough–I truly need more like you in my life
Idk man.
I love my OP12. But we’re switching carriers to a Verizon MVNO which “won’t work” with my OP12, so I bought a Pixel 8 Pro on sale last week and need to switch over.
I’m starting to wonder if that “it won’t work” is bullshit tho…I’ve got a Verizon SIM in slot 2 and it works fine. Maybe I’d be missing out on 5G speeds? I got 5 bars on my tmo sim and my vz sim…but my Tmo got 1.1Gbps down, and my Vz sim only got 70Mbps.
Verizon MVNO
Christ, why?
Have a couple OP 9pros and they’ll be the last OP devices I buy.
There are severe bugs that OP never fixes and make using the phone for something like navigation unreliable. Battery life can be great one day and terrible the next when not even using the phone. Also OP sells carrier specific hardware. My TMO phones can’t be used at AT&T or Verizon, severely limiting our options. My understanding is unlocked Pixel phones can be used on any carrier.
I really wanted to load Graphene, but even without it I’ll consider a Pixel device.
So I installed LineageOS recently. Now that I’ve transferred my passwords and account info I’m quite happy. What will happen from here? Will some apps stop working? If not, is there a problem with just continuing to use the phone as is until I need a new phone (security, eg)?
No.
More like A-no-SP
It’s Nopen Source
ACSP
So I bought a pixel device (an old one) for nothing ?
Google is doing a good job of discouraging some of us from buying Pixel phones. But they don’t care because the number of people installing Graphene etc. is relatively very low.
Yeah but what now ? I mean the Linux mobile ecosystem isn’t exactly mature nor widespread
What about the OS part of AOSP?
Don’t the ROM makers already fork AOSP to begin with?
