The lesson to learn is if we run uncharismatic candidates who are substantially further to the right than the Dems voter base, and the most thought the candidate gives the voting base is:
They have to vote for me. Who else are the left gonna vote for?
Its fucking “no one”, and it’s been that same answer for a long time.
We have a fair DNC now that won’t try to shove a conservative down America’s throats. So we have a chance to win.
But if we run a conservative as a Dem, Republicans win.
It’s really fucking tiring to see those conservatives blame trans people for the lose. That had nothing to do with it. It might be the final straw for some people, but there was a shit ton of reasons people couldn’t hold their nose this time.
We have a fair DNC now that won’t try to shove a conservative down America’s throats.
Do you have a link to a story about this? I don’t doubt you, I just want to read more about it.
I’m not sure what you mean…
The chair has absolute power and is accountable to no one.
Before the current DNC chair was elected (just a few months ago) they had been head of the Minnesota state party for about a decade.
That’s a very long political track record to look at, and that’s why the DNC voting members elected him
Are you asking for a summary of the last decade of Minnesota state politics that shows Martin ran fair primaries which resulted in progressive Dems getting majorities?
I just wondered if you had a link to a story or analysis summarizing that, since I wasn’t aware of any of it. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, I’ll look it up.
Are you asking for a summary of the last decade of Minnesota state politics that shows Martin ran fair primaries which resulted in progressive Dems getting majorities?
I would love this summary if there is one.
The only thing I had heard about the DNC leadership was them electing a progressive to vice chair on “accident” and then kicked him out after they realized he would be supporting progressive canidates
You’re thinking of Vice Chair David Hogg.
Hogg pledged to primary ineffective democrats and the party crucified him for it. Current chair Ken Martin opposed this, proposing a change to bylaws that would require impartiality in primaries.
I am firmly with Hogg on this. Progressives need to be supported and conservative Democrats purged. Republicans with a D next to their name are no less an existential threat than those with an R. I don’t see Ken Martin as promising in any way whatsoever.
Right, because Trump was a better option. Im so glad we imported the fascism directly this time instead of watching it take shape in other countries. Congratulations, we’ll all be trying to avoid the death camps at some point in the next 5 years.
Ah, but withholding my vote means my soul is pure and I don’t own these consequences!
Saw a video of Dr Umar admitting to not voting and using it to virtue signal. Like bitch there is an active genocide going on and the community you claim to want to protect and uplift is about to be ratfucked into participating in it.
The fact that there’s a mob of downvotes from white lily cowards says it all.
American puritans, shut the fuck up.
we imported the fascism directly
Nah, it’s very much locally sourced
Better to DIE than DEI, I guess.
Fucking worthless Trumpers
This is such a counterproductive take. It ignores why Harris actually lost (like Biden running again and refusing to step down until the end), while also implying that the Democrats didn’t do anything wrong whatsoever and the fault lies with the electorate. If that’s the takeaway for the DNC from this past election then we’re cooked.
70 million people looked at maga bigotry of various sorts and found it not to be a dealbreaker. Fact. They either hoped or knew Trump would hurt other people not like them, so they gave him a pass. (and that doesn’t count what I believe to be the vast majority of Trump voters who were overtly OK with it.)
My intent in sharing here isn’t to postmortem the election. It’s a reminder of the 70 million shitty people we smile and shake hands with every day.
It also implies that Harris wouldn’t attack Iran when she totally would have. A more correct approach would have been that ww3 for the Democrats is more preferable than worker rights and social institutions Bernie wanted.
Can’t prove a negative, but it’s not like US policy towards Iran (or Israel) changes much from admin to admin. Here’s Kamala right before the election saber rattling: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/08/harris-iran-greatest-adversary-trump-election.html
“What we need to do to ensure that Iran never achieves the ability to be a nuclear power, that is one of my highest priorities,” she added.
This is crazy… the illusion of choice? Nah we’d at least have better protections on domestic rights if she won
I get the sentiment, but horrible economic prospects had a lot more to do with this than different people seeking common decency when you get down to it.
Biden: Supply chains, inflation, corporate greed. Stay the course, things are improving over time
Trump: Kill healthcare and social programs and deport Brown people. Instant fix.
Dumbfucks: I do hate people who aren’t like me. And harming others makes me feel better about myself. I’m in.
Biden: Supply chains, inflation, corporate greed. Stay the course, things are improving over time
Okay not to defend Republicans, but if I was barely able to afford rent and heard “stay the course” I’d fucking riot. Please don’t present Biden’s position of “what do you mean? The economy is awesome” as the reasonably side here.
I didn’t think I was. But a real dumbfuck chooses option B
But factually things were improving in spite of corporate greed. But as much as they could have. Now they’re not.
But this wasn’t an essay
When the alternative is to burn everything down, staying the course absolutely is the reasonable option.
Setting aside that even then denying that there’s a problem at all is still fucking stupid, if you feel you have no future at all under the current system there is logic to burning everything down and hoping something less terrible comes out of the ashes.
Would you still riot
if I was barely able to afford rent and heard “stay the course”
…. And you had the awareness to see the historically huge investments in infrastructure, supply chains, renewable energy, EVs that would have added thousands of jobs? that inflation had been trending down and was near normal? Repeated attempts to implement assistance for the student loan crisis over Republican objections? Etc
Biden did a lot of the right things for all of us, but we needed to stay the course long enough for them to take effect and we needed to be both aware that they existed and patient enough to understand that some things take time.
Instead we voted for an orange child to throw tantrums and break all our toys.
Destruction is fast and easy, but building is much harder and takes more time
Lmao. More seriously, though, Trump did campaign on improving the economy and it helped him a lot. The fact that anyone with half a brain could tell he wasn’t going to do that is secondary.
“Okay, so I believed the authoritarian liar – but I was soooooooo mad! I literally had no choice!”
It’s called nuance and it’s a lot more productive than blind righteous anger.
People vote based on principles and strategies different from yours. Bitching about it won’t change that fact or help you win elections. Enjoy your 5 minutes of hate.
I honestly do not think that it did.
That might be what people will tell you (and themselves in some cases), but I don’t buy it.
To add to this, the economy is not better for the average person currently, anyone who thought it would be is naive and I just have trouble believing that American’s on average are that gullible.
We all know the economy is bad. But they choose to believe it is caused by trans people and immigrants. So OOP still correct.
Which doesn’t make sense either because historically all economic indicators have been better on average during democrat governments than republican ones
Except the only indicator that matters to the oligarchic owner/operators of the USA, the wealth transfer to the rich.
Yeah but almost all his voters are not oligarchs by statistics, they are just stupid
MUH ECONOMIC ANXIETY
This community is cooked. The most popular response is that trans rights had fuck all to do with democrats losing, but they are all getting down voted to hell.
If we had the election again today trump would win by more votes, clearly.
If there’s one unifying maga principle it’s bigotry.
Disingenuous tweet. Not like the other side was committing a genocide and normally just acts like republican lite
Last I checked, most people who voted for trump voted for him because they actually thought he would fix the economy. Only a fringe cares about identity politics.
While I personally believe people who voted for trump were naive at best, it is very disingenuous to pretend like they all voted for him because they hate trans people. Most normal people don’t give a fuck about that shit. They just want to live and considering how chaotic the election was for the democrats, it makes sense that more people put their trust in the candidate who was there from the start.
It’s a very boring answer, and it is not really an excuse for the current state of the US, but reality is often a lot duller than whatever narrative we like to cook up in our little heads after spending too much time on Twitter.
Not my fault you haven’t been paying attention. Eggs were the excuse du jour at vote time. I’ve experienced or witnessed right wing bigotry of various sorts (not only homophobia and transphobia) for forty-five fucking years. (And I’m subtracting the years when I was too young and dumb to see it for what it was.)
It’s bigotry all the way down, and no one under the age of seventy can remember a time when the Republican party stood for anything else, no matter what they claim. Look at their policies. It’s all just how they are dressing it up this decade.
Sure, but not all the people who voted for trump were Republicans and it is too simplistic to say that they all voted for him because of hate towards minority groups. I’m not saying that no one voted for him because they hate x-group. Just that most people most likely voted for him because they thought he would fix the economy.
I don’t think most people who voted for him expected that he was gonna go completely apeshit like he has. I sure didn’t think he was gonna be this insane. And no I didn’t vote for him and no I’m not American and no I can’t just mind my own business because American politics is literally shoved down everybody’s throat all over the world.
But I will say that acting like it was all about bigotry for every single person who voted for him is too simplistic a take, like many other people in this thread have also said.
Well, I can only go on the magas in my life. I have a lot of them, and they are all bigots, in addition to whatever other justification they claimed.
(Setting aside their ahem naivete at thinking he’d fix the economy.)
I don’t think most people who voted for him expected that he was gonna go completely apeshit like he has. I sure didn’t think he was gonna be this insane.
There’s been a nonstop drumbeat of people including Trump himself telling everyone that he’d go EXACTLY this apeshit, so I don’t know why.
Sure, but not all the people who voted for trump were Republicans
They all knew who Republicans were though.
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That logic only works if you believe that every person who voted for trump is a bleeding heart republican who hates diversity. Objectively, that wasn’t the case.
Harris also loves Israel and hates Iran and seemed pretty warhawkish during her campaign
Edit: if you disagree PLEASE just downvote and don’t reply, I’m TREMBLING in fear of your possible replies
Per your edit, and so you’re not completely in the dark - I’m here to say I downvoted your comment because of the edit complaining about downvotes. Hope that helps.
I’m fine with that
Far better to elect the person threatening to drop nuclear weapons on Iran?
Has kamala condemned this action by Trump? The Dems are not anti-war. They are warmongers just like the GOP.
Harris and Biden both supported Israel and their right to retaliate, regardless of the extent of that retaliation. However they never advocated direct involvement and they certainly never threatened using nuclear weapons. Both sides are not the same
I mean trump never advocated direct involvement during the campaign either but we’re speculating because Harris isn’t in office. I’m basing my speculation on the fact that the Biden admin kowtowed to Bibi constantly and Harris made it clear she’d be the same in that regard. If either of them were in this same situation where Israel is in active war with Iran and Bibi begged them to strike Iran i think they definitely would.
